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    Hi!

    I hereby establish this topic for all the furries out here! We would talk about our own experiences, about furry artists and webcomics, about Anthrocon, Eurofurence etc. Just, you know... place for furries to come by and talk about furry stuff :D :D :D
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    This has the potential to either get a hard case of the trolls or turn out like the LGBTAI+ thread.
    Anyway, I'm a goat.
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    I believe it will be something like LGBT+ thread ;-)

    Through you are right, the topic can get some trolls... :/ :/ :/
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    Any topic can invite trolls. You could make a topic about how oatmeal is awesome, and you'd probably get trolls insisting that oatmeal must be eaten with cherries and butter.

    That said, I don't think *this* topic will invite trolls. There aren't a whole lot of GiantITPers who seem to get a kick out of annoying or bothering people, and while I don't think this thread will end up as active as the LGBT+ thread, I honestly don't see this as being problematic either. Most people may still consider "furry" as being a freaky mark of shame, but GiantITP doesnt' seem to be composed of "most people". It's really progressive as far as forums go.

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    I don't think I'm a furry, but I'm interested in all sorts of things so... what is a furry? Is there some definition most people who call themselves furries would agree on?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Asta Kask View Post
    I don't think I'm a furry, but I'm interested in all sorts of things so... what is a furry? Is there some definition most people who call themselves furries would agree on?
    See, I think this is the problem. Furry can mean like half a dozen different things.

    It can mean somebody who just likes cosplaying as animals.

    It could mean somebody who would like certain animal features.

    It could mean somebody who roleplays exclusively as animals.

    It could mean somebody like Jaycemonde, who is a goat.

    It could be somebody who wants to BE an animal.

    And it could mean things that are probably not board safe.
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    I doubt you could get a majority to agree on the definition of "queer" either...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Asta Kask View Post
    I doubt you could get a majority to agree on the definition of "queer" either...
    Unlike queer, which can be understood as a high level term that also applies at more concrete levels as necessary, "Furry" is a term that has many meanings, and is used more to loosely group people together than it is to denote a single unifying trait. Everything from otherkin to fetishists fall under the label, and the only thing they all have in common is "they are called a furry".

    That's why it invites trolls. It requires one to be accepting of a non-limiting definition, of the validity of many at times conflicting and occasionally mutually exclusive accounts, and a whibbly-wobbly set of borders. In a world defined by "logically" putting things into neat boxes, usually in an arbitrary binary structure, that causes a lot of friction.


    ... Actually, I think otherkin may bean over road misnomer; I do believe it would be limited to therianthropes? Dragon furry is a thing, but a vampire or demon or fairy isn't a furry. I assume.

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    I don't think I'm a furry, but I'm interested in all sorts of things so... what is a furry? Is there some definition most people who call themselves furries would agree on?
    There is not a single, unified definition. For me, the key is self-identification - if you identify as a furry, you are. If you do not, you aren't. It's simple like that ;-) The comics reading, fursuiting, roleplaying etc. is secondary.
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    Fun to finally see a thread for this ^w^
    Always seemed odd to me that there wasn't yet.
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    So Togath, you are a furry too? :D :D :D

    Can I ask about your fursona? ;-)

    (I do not have a fursona, I'm "just" into furries xD xD xD)
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    Quote Originally Posted by SiuiS View Post
    ... Actually, I think otherkin may bean over road misnomer; I do believe it would be limited to therianthropes? Dragon furry is a thing, but a vampire or demon or fairy isn't a furry. I assume.
    Unless they're a dragon fairy. Or a vampire dragon. Or a demon dragon. Or a fairy/vampire/demon anything, really. Which honestly isn't uncommon. Most "otherkin" either aren't on the Internet or are on dA, though. They don't show up too often on purely furry art sites.

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    (I do not have a fursona, I'm "just" into furries xD xD xD)
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    Most people may still consider "furry" as being a freaky mark of shame, but GiantITP doesnt' seem to be composed of "most people". It's really progressive as far as forums go.
    [ugly laughter]
    It's got good admins and moderators. I'll say that much.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mystic Muse View Post
    It could mean somebody like Jaycemonde, who is a goat.
    That's the majority of furries, in my experience. We're just like "lol I'm a dog deal with it now let's go play cawwa doody." Generally don't make a big fuss out of it. Unless wolfaboos get involved and start making jokes about eating the "prey" species characters or fursonas. Or someone takes offense at a character that's LGBTAI+. (Most of the G is left alone, of course.) Then, y'know, drama can flare up. But aside from that, we're just people who happen to be dogs and cats and whatever else, who draw porn, who play games and who spam memes on SecondLife. Not really the same thing as Otherkin.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Asta Kask View Post
    I don't think I'm a furry, but I'm interested in all sorts of things so... what is a furry? Is there some definition most people who call themselves furries would agree on?
    Here: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=furry
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    Quote Originally Posted by S@tanicoaldo View Post
    I think you have a very optimistic view of the accuracy of information obtained via Google. Am I likely to get good information if I Google? And how do I know if the information is good if I don't know anything (well, almost anything) about the subject? Have you really thought this through?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Asta Kask View Post
    I think you have a very optimistic view of the accuracy of information obtained via Google. Am I likely to get good information if I Google? And how do I know if the information is good if I don't know anything (well, almost anything) about the subject? Have you really thought this through?
    Yeah, that's the [ugly laughter] I mentioned above. It's mostly the admins and moderators that keep the wider forum from descending on everything.
    My advice: you just ask furries in the thread (or read their responses) and not even justify LMGTFY with a response.
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    I will see what I can learn by lurking, and not derail the thread further. Discussions about definitions are almost always boring.
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    I second Asta Kask. I am not a furry myself but I am interested as to what the furries here have to say and believe about themselves. Google can't tell me that. I went googling a particular financial personality last week and the first hundred results were from fanboys or his own paid advertisements. It took some *digging* to find anything remotely critical.

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    Well, like I said here:

    Quote Originally Posted by Jaycemonde View Post
    That's the majority of furries, in my experience. We're just like "lol I'm a dog deal with it now let's go play cawwa doody." Generally don't make a big fuss out of it ... we're just people who happen to be dogs and cats and whatever else, who draw porn, who play games and who spam memes on SecondLife.
    That pretty much sums 75% of the subculture up. Don't say fandom; that specifies one specific franchise or show/game/book, not a globally-shared artistic or personal affiliation that's got thousands of different interpretations. Like, Koul [very popular furry artist from Ukraine who does mostly STALKER fan-art] isn't the same thing as Strype [American who does Warhammer-esque power armor] or Squeedgemonster [Canadian-American who does Hallowe'en monsters and Godzilla and Kaiju in really cute pop-art fashion] or Thanshuai [Thai artist who does pretty much everything but gives all his characters an obscene amount of fluff and big eyes] or WolfJediSamuel [German who seemingly does nothing but crass, obscene movie poster parodies]. It'd be the same thing as saying that C.S. Lewis, Michael Crichton, Robert A. Heinlein, and Gary Gygax were all in the "science-fiction/fantasy fandom." They could not be any different from each other, the only similarity is that they all created work that fell into a common theme.
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    Hi everybody, I'm Masked LLama and I've been RP'ing an awakened llama on these boards since, what, 2007? Would that make me a furry? Its hard to say, depending on the person, to be honest. However the fact that I attend 2 furry conventions and staff at one are probably pretty good indicators that I am.

    So..ummmm...what do we want to talk about?

    Favorite fursuiter?

    What's your fursona?

    If you had a fursona, what would your's be like?

    Why did you pick that fursona?

    Best Con?

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    I honestly don't have any real clue what a fursona is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mystic Muse View Post
    I honestly don't have any real clue what a fursona is.
    Look at my icon. Now look at me. Now look back at my icon. Now look back at me. Is that just a random goat character, or is it me (or at least how I portray myself)? It's me. That's a fursona.
    Honestly, it's just dumb furry slang for "persona" and it means the same thing. Some people don't have any particular reason for picking the one they do, some people do.

    Quote Originally Posted by Atreyu the Masked LLama View Post
    Hi everybody, I'm Masked LLama and I've been RP'ing an awakened llama on these boards since, what, 2007? Would that make me a furry? Its hard to say, depending on the person, to be honest. However the fact that I attend 2 furry conventions and staff at one are probably pretty good indicators that I am.
    Yup, I'd say you are. I have no clue what "Awakened" means, though. Is that just a sentient llama, or does that mean you've got the whole anthro deal going on? Were-llama? That could be pretty cool.

    So..ummmm...what do we want to talk about?

    Favorite fursuiter?
    I honestly don't really know any.

    What's your fursona?
    See above.

    Why did you pick that fursona?
    Goats fit my personality. Stubborn, bad-tempered, random bouts of complete idiocy spontaneous energy and cuteness. Varied reputation based on the people being talked to; am I a symbol of justice and war (gun nut and FPS enthusiast), sensuality and happy funtime incarnate (self-explanatory), a productive worker that can be mostly depended upon (I don't really see it), or a baleful and hell-bound sinner? Who knows?
    And also, hooves are awesome, and also also, horns are awesome, and and also also also, horizontal pupils. And and and also also also also, somewhat less overdone than, say, foxes and wolves.
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    I don't see a meaningful difference between "I am an [animal]" and "I have the soul of [animal]", but okay.

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    I honestly don't have any real clue what a fursona is.
    Furry persona.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Jaycemonde View Post
    Yup, I'd say you are. I have no clue what "Awakened" means, though. Is that just a sentient llama, or does that mean you've got the whole anthro deal going on? Were-llama? That could be pretty cool.
    If I'm not mistaken, Atreyu is referencing the Awakened Animals, a kind of creature in Dungeons and Dragons, in the rulebook 'Savage Species' if I recall.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SiuiS View Post
    I don't see a meaningful difference between "I am an [animal]" and "I have the soul of [animal]", but okay.
    I guess it has more to do with attitude than anything.

    Jayce, hon, you've got some pent up ire against the canids. Care to talk about it?
    Wolfaboo, not wolf. Two very different things, in the way I just described above. People who simply choose to portray themselves as wolves or dogs or whatever, no problem with. People who really identify as such? No problem. Actual canines? Love 'em. People who put a dozen wolf group badges on their profiles and make jokes about eating "prey species" characters, then who take offense at those characters/their owners saying something even remotely similar to offense? Kind of a problem.
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    Just as with most fandoms, I haven't really managed to make myself a part of the subculture, so I haven't been to any cons or such, but I consider myself a furry. And as for a fursona, well, I've never really thought about it, but I do guess Teddy meets all the requirements...

    What I do know, though, is that I really would like a pair of fluffy bear ears, but I've never gotten off my seat to find where I best can get such a pair commissioned...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skeppio View Post
    If I'm not mistaken, Atreyu is referencing the Awakened Animals, a kind of creature in Dungeons and Dragons, in the rulebook 'Savage Species' if I recall.
    There's also the D&D 3.5 PHB spell Awaken which awakens intelligence in an animal (or tree)...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Skeppio View Post
    If I'm not mistaken, Atreyu is referencing the Awakened Animals, a kind of creature in Dungeons and Dragons, in the rulebook 'Savage Species' if I recall.
    That doesn't really clear a lot up. Are they basically just talking animals that still walk around on four legs?

    Quote Originally Posted by Teddy View Post
    Just as with most fandoms, I haven't really managed to make myself a part of the subculture, so I haven't been to any cons or such, but I consider myself a furry. And as for a fursona, well, I've never really thought about it, but I do guess Teddy meets all the requirements...
    (See the part about why the word "fandom" is incorrect in this case, above.)
    I haven't been to a single con in my life, and honestly I don't really think I'd want to go to any. I'm too abrasive and introverted to really enjoy myself in that kind of environment. I still consider myself part of the subculture, though, despite not being particularly well-known.
    Anyway, yeah. Teddy seems like he'd work, 'sona-wise. There aren't really any particular "requirements" out there, besides him being more or less a representation of yourself.

    Quote Originally Posted by Teddy View Post
    What I do know, though, is that I really would like a pair of fluffy bear ears, but I've never gotten off my seat to find where I best can get such a pair commissioned...
    I need to get a partial goatsuit done that I can wear with my normal clothes. And have, like, heels that look like hooves. Cleft hooves, of course. Anyway, most decent partial suits start at around $400, and most full suits start at $800-$1000. Of course, additional features like cooling vests and those swank 3D "follow you everywhere" eyes cost extra, at least with most makers. With that in mind, just the ears probably cost a lot less for a good quality. I'd guess around $60.

    Dang, I used to know someone who did great ears and tails. I can't remember who it was, though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jaycemonde View Post
    That doesn't really clear a lot up. Are they basically just talking animals that still walk around on four legs?
    Maybe he's a llama that lived for 400 years and awoke as a llama yokai?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jaycemonde View Post
    That doesn't really clear a lot up. Are they basically just talking animals that still walk around on four legs?
    Different POVs. Instead of saying "I am a [description]", Attreyu seems to focus on "You can consider me a [description]", specifically using language which appeals to the audience's understanding. Descriptive over prescriptive, I suppose.

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    That doesn't really clear a lot up. Are they basically just talking animals that still walk around on four legs?
    Here's the reference

    TL;DR - the animal gains human intelligence and the ability to speak one language, but is otherwise unchanged.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jaycemonde View Post
    (See the part about why the word "fandom" is incorrect in this case, above.)
    I did. The fandom part was in reference to what you probably would agree with me are fandoms. I have a few works and genres which I'm a huge fan of (especially a pair of webcomics), but for some reason never have gotten into the fandom of. And it's not because I have a trouble with people being near obnoxiously outspoken about what they like, which otherwise would be a readily available explanation. I just don't have the personality to enter unless someone leads me there...

    Quote Originally Posted by Jaycemonde View Post
    I haven't been to a single con in my life, and honestly I don't really think I'd want to go to any. I'm too abrasive and introverted to really enjoy myself in that kind of environment. I still consider myself part of the subculture, though, despite not being particularly well-known.
    I think I'd love to attend to a con properly, but I would need to go with a group of friends to be able to connect with other people and enjoy it properly. If I go alone, I tend to feel left out...

    Quote Originally Posted by Jaycemonde View Post
    Anyway, yeah. Teddy seems like he'd work, 'sona-wise. There aren't really any particular "requirements" out there, besides him being more or less a representation of yourself.
    Hehehe, yeah, he's definitely an extension of myself, but with a few bonus traits I couldn't take in the physical world.

    He's also a cloudwalker and the marshal of some vaguely unspecified air fleet...

    Quote Originally Posted by Jaycemonde View Post
    I need to get a partial goatsuit done that I can wear with my normal clothes. And have, like, heels that look like hooves. Cleft hooves, of course. Anyway, most decent partial suits start at around $400, and most full suits start at $800-$1000. Of course, additional features like cooling vests and those swank 3D "follow you everywhere" eyes cost extra, at least with most makers. With that in mind, just the ears probably cost a lot less for a good quality. I'd guess around $60.

    Dang, I used to know someone who did great ears and tails. I can't remember who it was, though.
    Yeah, I can't really picture myself in a full fursuit. I could fancy a pair of paws and a tail beyond the ears, but, well, bears really don't have very impressive tails (which is sad, because I really like tails).
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