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    Default Earliest you can gain the outsider type

    I am working on a Malconvoker build and I would like to make use of the Infernal Bargaining feat, but the perquisite is the outsider type. Outside of Polymorph any Object abuse, is there anyway to gain the outsider type without being an outsider from Character creation? The human bonus feat would be really handy.

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    Otherwordly regional feat works, but you have to be a Deep Imaskari, an Elf, or a Spirit Folk, and the knowledge local 2 thing doesn't really work when you're talking about birth.
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    You can play an elf, get flaws for extra feats and take this o_o
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    I think both of those count as "from Character Creation". Well, its really the same thing.
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    Default Re: Earliest you can gain the outsider type

    Yea i was thinking more along the lines of a spell or item that changes your type. The earlier the better. Limited wish could probably do it but that's 7th level. I guess i could always just buy a casting of it in a large enough city for 2,410 gold from a 13th level wizard.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Drrakerr View Post
    Yea i was thinking more along the lines of a spell or item that changes your type. The earlier the better. Limited wish could probably do it but that's 7th level. I guess i could always just buy a casting of it in a large enough city for 2,410 gold from a 13th level wizard.
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    highly dependent on DM fiat, but the Saint template grants a native outsider type.

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    Default Re: Earliest you can gain the outsider type

    Quote Originally Posted by Drrakerr View Post
    I am working on a Malconvoker build and I would like to make use of the Infernal Bargaining feat, but the perquisite is the outsider type. Outside of Polymorph any Object abuse, is there anyway to gain the outsider type without being an outsider from Character creation? The human bonus feat would be really handy.
    as the frost, devil's ego, fiendform, holy transformation (and lesser), infernal transformation (and lesser), nar fiendbond, and greater visage of the deity all give you the outsider type.

    there's always neraph if you can spare the human bonus feat. malconvoker's hardly difficult to qualify for.
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