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2014-10-01, 11:39 PM (ISO 8601)
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Tashalatora: Requires monk levels or not?
Pretty simple topic. I want to hear people's opinion's regarding whether or not tashalatora requires a level of monk and why/why not. Me and my DM are trying to decide if we should require monk levels initially to stack.
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2014-10-01, 11:41 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Tashalatora: Requires monk levels or not?
Neither Monastic Training nor Tashalatora require monk levels. I say, let them stay that way. You're burning two feats on a Psion; you don't get a huge amount out of it, since your BAB is poor, your HD is a d4, and you aren't Wisdom-based. (And if you're an unarmored/unarmed PsyWar, you're kind of doing it wrong)
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2014-10-01, 11:58 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Tashalatora: Requires monk levels or not?
While I'd let it work, it probably shouldn't. The absence of something in D&D is not 0, but instead Ø. Ø+1=Ø.
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Re: Tashalatora: Requires monk levels or not?
Maybe yes, maybe no. After all, it's that way with ability scores, but it's not defined that way with anything else, to my knowledge, and Barkskin, for instance, goes the other direction with its explanation.
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Re: Tashalatora: Requires monk levels or not?
Amulet of natural armor goes out of its way to clarify that a creature without a natural armor bonus has an effective natural armor bonus of +0, which means that without that clarifying text it would be nonexistent.
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Re: Tashalatora: Requires monk levels or not?
I'm not sure it really means that. There are a lot of cases in 3.5 rules text where something is specifically called out even though it would have been the case anyway. Off the top of my head, the Mobility feat specifies that Dodge bonuses stack with each other (even though they do anyway). No shortage of other cases like that.
Nonabilities are an interesting case, but it's not immediately obvious to me that not having any levels in Monk should be treated as having a "non-level" in Monk, rather than as "0 levels" of Monk.
Another case I can think of where this question applies is whether Anima Mage gets you effective Binder levels by advancing Soul Binding after you qualify for it using the Bind Vestige feat line. Of course, that doesn't really help us since people can't agree on that one either (here's an old thread on it that went...nowhere).
Interested to see what else the rules have to say about this.Last edited by A_S; 2014-10-02 at 12:19 AM.
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Re: Tashalatora: Requires monk levels or not?
And why would monk's belt need special text for what to do with someone with no monk levels unless the absence of something is Ø and not 0?
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Re: Tashalatora: Requires monk levels or not?
It looks like they were intending to require monk levels, but the requirement is certainly not present. DM call.
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Re: Tashalatora: Requires monk levels or not?
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2014-10-02, 04:31 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Tashalatora: Requires monk levels or not?
Look, do you really want to force any prospective Tashalatora Psion to take Monk levels?
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2014-10-02, 06:14 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Tashalatora: Requires monk levels or not?
Absolutely, because that's the benefit of the feat: enhancing your existing Monk abilities. If they don't want that single qualifying Monk level, they can take Superior Unarmed Strike and buy a Monk's Belt instead of taking Tashalatora: most of the returns yet with no class level cost.
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