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Create Food as an Arcane Spell - Which Level?
I recently had a talk with one of my players about a wizard researching an arcane variant of Create Food and Water. What I wonder is, if a wizard researches such a spell, what level would it have?
I would say something from three to five. It is not a spell that is normally on the wizard list, creating food in general is something that is more difficult for them and the one spell that can create something edible (that I know of) is Minor Creation, a level 4 spell that could only create temporary food.
Of course, there is also the possibility that the gods, when making the rules for magic decided, that the creation of food should not be something that arcane magic should be capable of. But I am not working under that assumption.Yar! I'm a signature virus, copy me into your signature!
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Re: Create Food as an Arcane Spell - Which Level?
It can currently be done with a Level 5 spell, Wall of Stone, followed by a Level 6 spell, Stone to Flesh. There is nothing in the rules stating that the flesh created by a Stone to Flesh spell isn't edible.
In fact, if amorphous flesh isn't your cup of tea, RAW using Fabricate to create a statue of a pig then using Stone to Flesh on it would give you a dead pig.
I would say research would certainly give a wizard a Level 5 spell capable of creating food from non-living matter- Sand to Grain, perhaps- as it lacks the other, more important uses of Stone to Flesh. It might even be able to create food out of thin air.Catapultam habeo. Nisi omniam pecuniam mihi dabis, saxum immanem ad caput tuum mittam.
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Re: Create Food as an Arcane Spell - Which Level?
Summon monster I (chicken) + grease + burning hands = KFC
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2014-10-21, 03:53 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Create Food as an Arcane Spell - Which Level?
Minor Creation lets you create nonliving vegetable matter. RAW there are no consequences for eating something that only exists for a limited duration so you can live off the stuff with no problems.
Alternatively you can use Lesser Planar Binding for a Janni and it's Create Food and Water 1/day SLA.
Summoned creatures go away when killed so this wouldn't work even if you could actually use SM1 to summon chickens.Last edited by sleepyphoenixx; 2014-10-21 at 03:54 PM.
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Re: Create Food as an Arcane Spell - Which Level?
Cast Halaster's Fetch I (Sor/Wiz 4) instead, which is like Summon Monster I but the monster is called so stays forever. Bring in an allowed animal, and then proceed to KFC it for food. Since Create Food and Water is a divine 3rd level spell, I'd expect a arcane version of it to be at least 4th level, which makes sense given the above reproduction with arcane spells.
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Re: Create Food as an Arcane Spell - Which Level?
I think making it a 4th level arcane spell is fair.
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Arcane Disciple (Gluttony, Creation, or Feast) doesn't do it for you?
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Re: Create Food as an Arcane Spell - Which Level?
Tanks for all the answers! Yes, level 4 sounds good. And maybe some transmutations to create food from somethin else, like Sand to Grain.
Maybe if we make it a titanic cow, increasing the size to gargantuan.
The problem with that is, that it can only be used an even more limited number of times per day. And you need a good Wisdom score.
And now I have the idea of a fast-food chain with traps of Halasters Fetch I, providing meat from the planes.Yar! I'm a signature virus, copy me into your signature!
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Re: Create Food as an Arcane Spell - Which Level?
Soo.... mindrape? Or some more sensible way of preventing it from returning, before it can do so.
As for the cow, I just realized that it is most likely large and thus too large for titanic creature... and it could not be planar bound, because titanic sets its HD to 25...
So, gate in some titanichalf-fiendish* chickens and sheep and start selling meat and eggs that are "so good, you would go to hell for them".
Are there maybe some other templates that would increase the size? Some that would make starting all of this less expensive?
Also, how the hell did we go from a mage wanting to create some food to slaughtering angels and demons?
*Half-Fiend is actually a terrible idea when combined with titanic. Unless we want gargantuan chickens of doom who will summon even more demons.Yar! I'm a signature virus, copy me into your signature!
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Re: Create Food as an Arcane Spell - Which Level?
If you're willing to compromise a bit on size, half-goristro would get you Huge sized chickens without any more HD. They do get all the stat boni from the size changes, plus the +8 to STR and CON from the template itself, so these are pretty strong chickens. Although I've always used them as mounts instead of food, though, because not much quite says "S*** just got real" than leading your army army of war-chickens into battle.
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Re: Create Food as an Arcane Spell - Which Level?
No, I was thinking of the Cattle of Helios.
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