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2014-12-04, 08:17 PM (ISO 8601)
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2014-12-05, 01:58 AM (ISO 8601)
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I will watch that part again, but from what I recall that Monty just came out and said during Jaune's cross-dressing debut "the thing you should know about Jaune is that the only reason he was created was so he could wear a dress" at which point I think its Kerry explained "they weren't originally meant to be the B team but the G team." Miles: Yes "of the original four teams they were team six." They then go on to say they already had a design of Nora in a suit and most of one of Ren in a dress.
I know the four teams predates Remnant (the world was originally named Vytal but after working it out Monty thought the world needed a darker name that was suggestive of its history), and Sun Wukong was originally on team RWBY.
Monty Oum is George Lucas on a sugar high with ADD and a much cheaper form of CGI, but you don't have to imagine what Monty Oum's work looks like when he's on his own. This was what got him hired to start working at Rooster Teeth on Red versus Blue in the first place.Last edited by Reddish Mage; 2014-12-05 at 02:07 AM.
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2014-12-06, 02:25 PM (ISO 8601)
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Has anyone noticed that RWBY's soundtrack sometimes has more character development than the show itself? For instance, take a listen to Sacrifice. Without the visual cues, would you be able to guess that this song is about Cinder and co? That the bland excuse for a villain we've been enduring for two seasons is actually some sort of conflicted fallen angel? Because I certainly can't equate the two. As far as I'm concerned, the character from Sacrifice has yet to appear in the show.
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2014-12-06, 03:07 PM (ISO 8601)
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Hey. It's been a while. Don't have much to say, but one of my close friends (read: a somewhat reliable source) told me that Kerry announced to the media that two episodes had to be redone/dropped due to a technical malfunction. I've asked for a link and they haven't replied, but that could go someway to explaining some of the issues. Apparently the feeling at RT is that this was the "Trash Volume".
Read of that what you will. Like I said, I have no idea how accurate this is, but it seems in line with the general laid-back attitude that is prevalent at RT.
I'm not fully back, and things aren't exactly great, but I'll try and pop in here when I'm able. Just try not to have too much fun without me.
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2014-12-06, 03:53 PM (ISO 8601)
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Okay, problem really early in DF 1. While the fight choreography is amazing, kudos, there is a scene at around 2:00 where Yuna shoots two of the fighters in the head at point blank range. They should be dead, this isn't RWBY with Aura. That should have been the fight right there. If Monty did not want the fight to end that way, he should not have included that bit.
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2014-12-06, 04:01 PM (ISO 8601)
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If you haven't noticed from the massive fallout from the events of episode 4, volume 2, continuity doesn't appear to be his thing.
Wish I could find the source. However, I don't think the problems are so much what was left out but what was included. Choosing to do visually appealing but very unequal fight scenes that didn't further the plot was a very expensive use of limited CGI resources.
RT isn't so much laid back as not concerned enough about what makes a story good.The laws of physics are not crying in a corner, they are bawling in the forums.
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2014-12-06, 04:05 PM (ISO 8601)
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This is basically correct. The songs are writing promises the show can't keep.
Hope things go better. I miss you, especially in this thread. You're a cool guy.
It's concerning that they consider this the trash volume considering stuff actually happened in this one. Like, for two episodes, but still. We actually got character development for our protagonists.
Yup! Monty Oum has said that all he really cares about are making fights that flow with music. He...basically shouldn't be allowed around plotting anything. Now, if he made a game like say, Crypt of the Necrodancer, but as a beat em up instead of a roguelike, I'd be on it in a heart beat, lack of rhythm on my part or not. The guy would probably make something awesome if he did that. Just leave the actual WRITING to a writer.
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2014-12-06, 06:55 PM (ISO 8601)
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I've been saying this for about half a year. I was going to say that Anyr's comment (not quoted due to laziness) is about character depth, not character development, but then I remembered that Red like Roses part II expands on some of the things in Red like Roses, so you're right.
Ditto.
He's got two writers on staff already (I think I heard that they do the real work while he fiddles with the fights and the general concept, but don't quote me on that), which hasn't really done much. I really don't know what could be done with him; he can clearly come up with decent stuff (Dead Fantasy has a lot more even fighting than RWBY, though I can't comment on the respect to the canons; Red vs Blue is said to be good, so he can work with an existing storyline without messing it up), but things haven't really clicked with RWBY* despite it being 100% Monty + some other guys he knows.
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2014-12-06, 07:01 PM (ISO 8601)
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Well the issue is that he influenced the writers. He gave them a list of anime to watch to get ideas from, and it REALLY shows. The Grim look like Hollows, they have a "forest of death" sequence, it's all derivative to a degree, and not in a way that makes it unique or interesting. I can barely say Oum should be allowed to do anything, because his choreography is okay at best, and even when it's good it still throws away the plot for "what feels better" which really isn't that good of an idea to me.
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2014-12-06, 08:21 PM (ISO 8601)
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The laws of physics are not crying in a corner, they are bawling in the forums.
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2014-12-06, 11:33 PM (ISO 8601)
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Honestly what I said encompasses all those things to an extent since they all reflect on Oum's inability to write his fight scenes to match the actual story. The highway fight clearly kills a lot of civilians, but NO ONE is hurt from it and it's never talked about at all except "as a fight that happens" which I don't think is how it should be done (as do a lot of people).
The end of season battle is such a mess, the fact that far too many people got involved is actually the least bad part of it.
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Its worst, from what I recall there's only a vague allusion by Ozpin to "robots and rose petals at a dance club," which is either a missing episode (thanks Mrc!), or an allusion to an alternative universe in which thee fight could worked out better.
After hearing Monty and Miles and Kerry refer to Ironwood's robots as "the clone troopers come to save the Jedi" (I'll post this and the rest of the commentary, I just need some time to get to it), I can't help but think that, for all the other sins of Attack of the Clones, at least they got that part at end right by making it seem like the group was actually in danger of being overwhelmed just as clone trooper army shows up. Instead, it looks like the kids are having the time of their lives and hey! 2/4 of team guys-with-no-purpose-except-for-boyfriends arrive to join the fun!
The only reason I can think of them joining is for the humor of having them flash their silly junior detective badges just in time for Ironwood to show everyone that his is larger than theirs.
I still think if they were going to have this be an unequal contest and make it seem like a unsatisfactory conclusion for team RWBY for plot reasons (as the girls suggest when they talk about it after), they could have done it better if they ended it at the "clone troopers" and play up how unsatisfactory it felt more.
Which is worse out of the two? Holding back on the fighting to save it for a real competition, or inundating us with meaningless fighting from groups that, WTF is Team CFVY even doing existing!?
More importantly, how long is it going to be before Order 66?Last edited by Reddish Mage; 2014-12-07 at 01:07 AM.
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2014-12-07, 01:25 AM (ISO 8601)
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Another two years at least, if the Vital festival is going to take as long as they seem to have implied.
I'd like a third option. The Grim that broke into the city are an actual legitimate thread. We get to see our heroes fight as hard as they can and then fail. I'm STILL annoyed that the only lesson or thought our heroes left this MASSIVE event with is "I hope we get extra credit for this". That is a disgusting misuse of the drama they attempted to build up with the music and the intro and the WOR about Grim and how the episode prior to the finale ended. I do not like it and never will.
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2014-12-07, 01:29 PM (ISO 8601)
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Thanks for the kind words guys, it means a lot. I miss this forum quite a bit actually, but most of the time I'm in no fit state to be here.
Regarding RWBY, I just hope they develop on some of the elements that they teased at with Oobleck instead of turning RWBY into a mixture of Just Dance and Mortal Combat. Which is kind of what it feels like right now. I mean, it isn't a good thing that more character development was obtained by talking to one teacher than the entirety of the first volume, but at least the development is there. And if they manage to keep the focus on team RWBY instead of some of the other characters that are less important (Jaune, Neptune, Sun, Jaune, CFVY, CRDL, Jaune, Penny, JAUNE!) then hopefully they can begin to realise the potential this truly has.
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2014-12-07, 02:41 PM (ISO 8601)
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I think the issue there is that Monty decided that RWBY has jelled to the point that they can communicate telepathically this season (pardon it requires a look, a glance, or a ship name, telepathy will be introduced next season). Since character development occurs through conflicts those conflicts have to be external to team-MLP-doesn't-get-frienship-like-we-do.
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That's part of it, though perhaps surprisingly I'm not always so self-effacing. But a lot of the issue I have is due to his introduction and how it was done.
1) Jaune lied about his skills to get into a combat school. By doing this, not only did he deny someone else who actually worked hard and deserved that place, he also put everyone else at risk. Had he been paired with someone other than Pyrrha, chances are he'd have gotten both of them killed, because that other person would (quite rightly) expect a minimum level of competency from Jaune as a result of being able to get into Beacon; a level of competency he doesn't have. So until Pyrrha actually trained him he was basically a Commoner. The party would have to dedicate resources to keep him alive, making him a distinct liability.
2) Jaune was the focus of most of the first volume. I get that they wanted to give him character development, but it should have come after that of the rest of the cast. I don't care what they say: the show's named RWBY, not JNPR. Give the main characters enough screen time that we get to know them before trying to develop support characters; until the last couple of episodes we knew almost nothing of Blake and almost everything about Jaune. And that's an issue.
3) The way they try and make it seem as though he's just a regular guy. I'm sorry, if he was just a regular guy he'd have been killed many times over. He wouldn't have had Pyrrha save him with her spear, he wouldn't have survived Weiss landing on his back, he wouldn't have been able to defeat the Deathstalker, he wouldn't have managed to last as long against the Ursa major, he wouldn't have beaten the Ursa in the second volume, he wouldn't have gotten the girl, he wouldn't have been as good a dancer, he wouldn't have been able to co-ordinate his team that well, etc.
4) The fact that he was able to say like three words and people understand that. In the fight against the Deathstalker we're supposed to think he's some sort of tactical genius, when in actual fact all he did was say a few words; a few words that could easily have been misinterpreted.
5) The message they tried to convey with his interactions with Weiss: "Hey guys, if someone isn't interested in you then just practically stalk them! Obsess over them and don't take no as an answer!" I find this deeply offensive and disturbing, as whilst I'm sure that's not how they intended it to be read, it's about as far from ok as you can get. In all honesty, I'm surprised that Weiss, with all her money, didn't get something of a restraining order out against him.
6) The fact that he looks somewhat like me. Not a fault with the show itself I admit, but I'm as Aryan as Jaune and have a similar facial structure, and it irritates me when people find out I watch RWBY their first assumption is that I must like him. Some people even suggested I should cosplay as him. Those people aren't suggesting it anymore, but it's still infuriating.
7) His voice. Whilst I'm aware that they asked Miles to do various different voices for Jaune, I've also heard some of the others he tried in the director's commentary for the volume 1 dvd. And none of those are anywhere near as grating as the one they settled on, to the point where I wonder if Miles, Kerry and Monty were sat round a table with a photo of me going "Well I'm pretty sure he'll hate Jaune already, but is there anything else we can have to make absolutely certain?"
8) The whole shipping thing. I don't really understand why a lot of people can't accept a show as it is and decide that either its flaws are bearable or they aren't, but a lot of my friends who also watch RWBY seem to think that I really want to hear them talking about their FanFics that they've written. And every time I have to think of another polite way to tell them I'd rather drink bleach. And no, not the anime. But if they're to be believed then apparently Jaune is shipped with everyone. To which I say "Fine, just talk about it to someone who cares." and I guess some of this infuriation has warped my perception of him.
9) The quality of the arc featuring him. Much as though I hate to admit it, the Jaune arc was the best part of volume 1 and better than the majority of volume 2. It added depth to Pyrrha, Jaune, Cardin and quite possibly some others, and it introduced the whole faunus thing properly and allowed us to see first-hand what was going on, which was a pretty solid foundation in all honesty. But I hate him, and it really bugs me that they weren't able to write the other stuff to that quality. I want to see more stuff like Oobleck talking to the girls, because that was actually well written, but the fact that they made the rest of the story so sub-standard makes this arc stand out even more.
10) The way people act around him. I guess it might just be me having friends who are genuinely horrible people (as in, I can't go into details because of board filters) but had someone pulled half of what he tried around them they'd have put him in hospital. Especially his attitude to women: try approaching most people with a bad pick-up line and see if they ever actually speak to you again. You'll be lucky to avoid a slap in all honesty.
That's all I can think of off the top of my head, but there's more.
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11) Because he looks so much like me, I see a lot of myself in him. And right now that's not something I want. I don't want to watch a show and see someone who looks like me doing better than me. I don't want to see him succeed where I fail. I don't want a reminder of my failures. But when I look at Jaune, I can see someone who's all of these things. And it really brings home just how much I've screwed up my life, and how even a bunch of pixels animated and voiced by people in another country can do better than me. And it hurts like a sonofabitch.Last edited by Mrc.; 2014-12-07 at 07:08 PM.
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Thank you for putting that out there. Because a lot of these are based on opinions or deeply personal, I won't comment on them, but I wouldn't be me if I could resist quibbling. You don't have to read these if you don't want to. Except for point 11; you should definitely read that.
Spoiler: Points 1, 3 and 7
1) It's been said before, but Beacon's classrooms are very empty, to the point of having more than one year in a room and still having plenty of empty space. There seems to be a dearth of Huntsmen trainees, which may be because of it being only for the best fighters: too many people turn away because they don't think that they're good enough. In that light, I'd welcome any attempt to fill out the empty space. If they survive, good, we have another Huntsman/Huntress in the making; if they don't, it's not like the Huntsmen lost anything as the citizens don't really do anything to fight the Grimm anyway. Jaune didn't take a space from somebody else, he took one space of many that nobody else could be bothered to deal with.
Also, if CRDL managed to make through the forest, it probably isn't that hard to do if you don't wake up a couple of giant monsters. Even with dead weight on your team, said weight having Aura and a shield should be able to see them through enough to not be a serious liability.
3)That's an odd definition of 'regular guy'. Nobody is truly regular: there's many talents we have and develop that other people will see as extraordinary (and we often don't notice those talents that others do. I know that from personal experience). I see your point about Jaune surviving too much (even if he did have his aura working for half of those), but saying that being born into a family that liked dancing makes him special is starting to get silly. Does my brother count as being more than a regular person because his mother made sure that he learned music theory? It's not a widely known skill, and it often bamboozles me, but it (apparently) isn't hard to learn.
7) Ruby also gets shipped with everybody, including her half-sister, despite having shown no romantic feelings at all and being underage. At least Jaune has shown interest, recieved interest and is the most prominent male in the main cast's age range: he's both the most connected to romance and the most eligible for the role of 'male lover', as opposed to Neptune, Sun (no real plot beyond 'I like Blake/Weiss'), Ironwood, Ozpin (way out of the usual age range), Roman, Mercury (evil and murderous, which doesn't float everybody's boats), CRDL (bland bullies) and Adam (bland, murderous, evil and has caught Cinder's aura of mysteriousyness). Of course, the important thing to remember about shippers is that they're all completely crazy
Spoiler: Point 11Jaune is 'doing better' because he is a bunch of pixels: as a character in a story, he has fate/the plot bending over for him. Comparing your life to a fictional character is never going to end well, as even Oedipus managed to kill monsters, get even with roadhogs and become a beloved king before it came crashing down on him. Jaune is always going to have the writers at his side; they'll probably push him into rough spots, but they'll always pull him back out again, and as he has superpowers he'll do it in a much cooler way than any of us could.
There's no point in saying that you can't measure up to Son Gohan, physics nerd stuck with the legacy of the greatest warrior ever, slayer of Cell and a terrible superhero. Yes, he has superpowers at the start, but his story is really about people randomly deciding to drag him to places where he can get more superhuman, even though he's pretty useless until he fights Cell, and a lot of the time he survives because the villains decided to target somebody else because the author didn't want the little boy killed off.
In the same way, Jaune will have a force guiding him that will make sure he has it better than many of us, as well as a personal forcefield so the author doesn't have to come up with too many ways to make him avoid death. That's not something any of us can really compete with (tangent on religion not allowed due to forum rules*), so worrying about it is counterproductive to living and not good for your self-esteem.
*although it's probably safe to say that there aren't many religions that grant you a literal forcefield.Last edited by Durkoala; 2014-12-08 at 07:45 AM.
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So, in other words, slaughter everywhere and destroy everyone ever having a chance at being allowed to get a win in ever again?
Because that is exactly what failure with the grim has been established as. You either win, or EVERYONE dies. No exceptions. Everyone. Dies. Horribly. In. A. Gory. Fest. Of. Demise. Or, you win, by having killed ALL the grim.
That's not speculation. That was established earlier in the series by that point. Which is why I fail to see how that is in any way better. "Well, everyone's freaking dead. We don't have any characters left. Don't really have a show now, or the money to just move to a different kingdom and reset new characters form scratch. So, yeah, that was the end of the show."
Now, I will grant that the layout of events could have been longer and there probably should have been more grim pooring through. A bit more obvious tactical thinking going on wouldn't have gone amiss either. It did have room for improvement. But that's not the vibe your post gives me. The vibe it gives me is "If I'm not seeing characters mauled into a slushy pool of gore it's not dramatic."
And we had more then "We should get extra credit." You just have to NOT willfully ignore it. Seriously, there was like, 3/4th's of the ep dedicated to stuff happening after the fight that wasn't that one throwaway joke line from Wiess.
Mrc.
Um, point of order on the shipping. That's just a thing with a LOT of fans of a LOT of anime that have more then a very, very few characters. Naruto had it. Avatar (both series.) had it. Bleach had it. One Piece had it. Soul Eater had it. Most Gundam series have it. Sailor Moon had it. Attack on Titan has it.
It's hardly uncommon shipping behavior, and Juan isn't the only one in RWBY that has it, most of the characters do. So, holding that against him his a bit silly.
As for the point about space, Durkoala has the right of it. There aren't that many Huntsmen/Huntresses. There are not that many students, new or later years. There is far far far more space and resources for training them then they will ever need. So no, Juan didn't edge someone else out, he just snagged a spot that would have been collecting Dust if he'd not snagged it.
And that's assuming that most of us are wrong about Ozpin being wise to Juan having snuck in to this point."I Burn!"
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Ok, that still has the problem that the hero's are dead. The stakes were kinda already set that if your not dead, and everyone else isn't dead. You did not fail. Thus, when the stakes are set that to fail, you or everyone and you have to die, saying you want them to fail means you want them to die, or you want everyone to die.
That's kinda one of those pesky problems of having the lions share of your stakes be literal life and death, for you and everyone around you and often everyone you've ever known. You either always succeed, or the first time you fail, you die, and then your story is over barring a prequel and if it's less then flawlessly handled, you've just given the middle finger to all of that characters fans."I Burn!"
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Plenty of other posters have already corrected you on this point, but let's try one more time: 'Fail' does not necessarily mean 'dead'. Yang lost to Neo without dying; Weiss lost to the chainsaw man without dying; And the whole team failed to stop the train, yet survived. The same applies to this battle. The students could have been overwhelmed by the Grimm and pushed to the brink of defeat: Only to be saved by Ironwood at the last minute.
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And yet according to that post I quoted, form the person I was responding to in the top half of my post, it is clearly laid out that the mere fact that the Grim are repelled is an unacceptable outcome. That they needed to loose that fight and fail in defending that city. So no, my counter point stands, since we already canonically know the only way that can end. (Everyone dies horrible graphic deaths. End of series.)
More so since the tone of the post and the way all the events you listed, (Not to mention Cinder completely neutering Ozpin in a Xanatos Gambit that gives her the ability to have hand picked who she fights, when she fights them, were she fights them and how she fights them, as well as having all the time in the world to study them in depth and up close and know them as intimately as she does her own forces and to plan for everything, which, if you ever read the art of war, is an "I Win. Period." Button if ever there was one.), don't count as failures. Don't count at all. Why? Well, someone stepped in and Neo bailed before she took Yangs head off. That apparently makes it not count. We didn't see all of Wiess vs. Chainsaw guy, but she's not been cut in half and the end of it and Blake get's her away. So it doesn't count. All of team RWBY and the various people that came in after the train crash are still alive, and they managed to hold the city, so that makes that not count.
I could go on but I think I've made my point."I Burn!"
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That's not what I meant at all. I want our heroes to fail, but as has been said quite often, failure doesn't mean COMPLETE failure. I want our heroes to survive, but hurt. They've lost the fight, a section of the city has to be closed off using those giant walls the city has. People die, yes, but we can go on fighting. I don't understand why you have the mentality that if there is ANY failure, it must be absolute.
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Because we glossed over how many straight up failures in the last coupe of eps for the volume for that opening statement?
Yang, freaking Yang, Whom was getting a hugh amount of flack for being "Overpowered and totally invincible" earlier on in the volume after her semblance was shown, not only get's beat, but her opponent wasn't even making an effort. She survives by luck and the skin of her teeth and possibly a plot line to be explored next volume. And this get's glossed over as if it doesn't count.
Weiss get's taken down in a separate solo fight. She also survives by luck (A table top gamer would look at that and go "GM fiat."). But again, apparently, loosing that fight doesn't count either.
The train isn't stopped, it crashes, people are canonically harmed and killed, but the blood and gore parts of it are not thrown on screen. They manage to hold the grim within a hundred yards give or take of there entry point and have someone on hand fairly quickly who's one of the most powerful known people alive, and she manages to reseal it. People still died. This caused a chain reaction which wound up putting Cinder's Xanato's Gambit, through as touched on above which is gonna be bad news later. And an unprecedented security breach just went on record while tensions are already running high to boot.
And apparently, that doesn't count either, because none of our main characters died, or were maimed and ripped to shreds, or limed away covered in as much of there own blood as there enemy's while an entire segment of the city was closed off forever.
They do fail, quite a bit. But apparently, the only way that counts, is if they fail specifically against the Grim. And that leads me back to my original point. We know, canonically, cause it's been shown more then once, that failing against the Grim is death. You fail against them, you die, there isn't really any middle ground. The closest we've had to that is Ironwood, who appears to have lost at least one limb form it and is likely only functional cause of future tech. And that is an implication with out canon confirmation."I Burn!"
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Yeah, that's all failures, but none of it is lasting. They completely succeed in destroying all the Grim and saving everyone. A few civilians are injured (NOT killed, they specifically said there were no casualties), all damage caused by them to the city is repaired easily, they're ALL killed and Glynda easily seals the hole they came out of. Our heroes came away from this situation going "Man, I hope we get extra credit for this" and that's REALLY stupid considering they all could of died pretty easily, if this show had any idea about how to use threats. Our heroes should at least acknowledge that they where INCREDIBLY lucky to survive this incident completely unscathed, with no civilians dead, and with no lasting Grim prescence in the city. Instead they're cracking jokes like it was that stupid forest test all over again.
You say that Grim have been told time and time again to be super destructive monsters that destroy entire cities if there is one slip up. But nothing bad happened from this. And yes, it played into Cinder's stupid "I planned for this to happen" plan, which really isn't all that interesting to me.
So yes, they did lose against the chainsaw guy, and Neo, and they did fail to stop the train. But none of that matters because they didn't learn from it.