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    Ogre in the Playground
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    Question Fumble and Fumble, Mass - For Magus?

    I'm a GM if a pathfinder adventure with a Magus in my group.

    We do use both the Fumble and Critical hit decks by paizo. I just realized there are two new spells:

    Fumble
    Enchantment (Compulsion) [Mind-Affecting]
    Level Brd 2, Sorc/Wiz 2
    Components: V,S,F
    Casting Time: 1 Standard Action
    Range: Close (25 ft. +5ft/2 levels)
    Target: One Creature
    Duration 1 Round/level (D)
    Saving Throw: Will Negates
    Spell Resistance: Yes

    This enchantment causes the targe tto become more clumsy and apt to fumble. Whenever a target missed with an atack, that attack is automatically a critical fumble threat, the target must confirm the critical fumble as normal.

    Focus, a brokenmaster work dagger, (costs 302gp)

    Fumble, Mass
    Enchantment (Compulsion) [Mind-Affecting]
    Level Bard 6, Sor/Wiz 6
    Target: One creature / level, no two of which can be more than 30ft apart.
    This Spell functions liek fumble except that it affects multiple creatures.


    Now, I don't exactly see an issue with allowing these to be on the Magus spell list. I know these decks came out before ultimate Magic did, so they didn't really anticipate for them. I just wanted to reach out to other GMs, and ask if you think:

    1. Magus should be able to use it.
    2. Are the levels equal, (IE level 2 magus for fumble level 6 magus for mass)
    Last edited by killem2; 2014-11-09 at 07:37 PM.
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    Default Re: Fumble and Fumble, Mass - For Magus?

    I don't see a problem with allowing them balance-wise, but note that the magus does not generally get enchantment spells.
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    Ogre in the Playground
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    Default Re: Fumble and Fumble, Mass - For Magus?

    I just realized I didn't put the text of the spell lol. It's up now.
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    Default Re: Fumble and Fumble, Mass - For Magus?

    You can pick up the former with the Spell Blending arcana and the latter with Greater Spell Access.

    As for what level they should be, given that Bard doesn't get to discount them I don't see why the Magus should either.
    Last edited by Psyren; 2014-11-09 at 08:20 PM.
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