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Thread: Warmage vs Battle Sorcerer
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2014-11-20, 02:43 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Warmage vs Battle Sorcerer
One of the good things of the Warmage is the fact that you don't really 'lose' much when you enter a prestige class. Sure, a lot of people will say that's also bad, and that the sorcerer also doesn't lose much, but, the warmage already has the crunchy stuff from levels 1-3, maybe even 6.
But, a thing to understand about the Warmage, is that it's not really much of a spellcaster, but an archer with fancy ammunition and lousy skill selection :p.Last edited by ArqArturo; 2014-11-20 at 02:54 AM.
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I've enjoyed playing a Fighter 4/Warmage 8/Havoc Mage 2. Admittedly, to make it work reasonably well I got some fluke-picks from a deck of many things and got to add the half-dragon template for the bonuses to hard and soft stats but it's been fun hitting things and casting 2nd level spells in combat during a full attack
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2014-11-20, 05:37 AM (ISO 8601)
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Duskblade, War Mage, Battle Sorcerer. All benefit greatly from a Sand Shaper dip.
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Warmage looses out to the Wizard in terms of flexibility but it has one massive advantage: It can cast spells in light armor without any casting penalty. That's pretty sweet. That's a +4 to AC from Chainshirt for free basically.
Anyhow can someone tell me why the Spellswords Channel Spell ability is considered so good? I can't wrap my head around it. The RBM's channel spell (free action) is great because it also grants an attack bonus equivalent to the spell level being channeled. So a 4th level spell channeled grants a +4 attack bonus on top of the spell and the attack.
But the spellsword only gets to discharge a spell. And it can only channel as a move action if I recall correctly, so no full attacking in the same round unless you channel in a prior round or prior to combat (spell is stored for 8 hours I think...BUT it is discharged on the next attack, even if the attack is against a rabbit)
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2014-11-20, 08:20 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Warmage vs Battle Sorcerer
Originally Posted by andhaira
Also, at higher levels, not only can Wizard get his AC higher, but as AC stops mattering as attack bonus outstrips it, the Wizard can get Miss Chance from his spells, which is far more useful.
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2014-11-20, 09:03 AM (ISO 8601)
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A Warmage can become a better and more versatile caster than a Wizard anyway. Just take ten levels of Rainbow Servant.
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MAGIC, n. An art of converting superstition into coin. There are other arts serving the same high purpose, but the discreet lexicographer does not name them.
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MAGIC, n. An art of converting superstition into coin. There are other arts serving the same high purpose, but the discreet lexicographer does not name them.
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I've always wanted to do a duskblade 3, warmage 1, warblade 1, and into a prc that has Int synergy. However we don't use UE at our table. Duskblade 3 gets you Combat Casting, spell channeling, and cantrip SLAs. Warmage 1 grabs Int to all damage spells, Knowledge Devotion is also a kind of Int to damage. Then grabbing the Abrupt Jaunt Conjurer level and going into your PrC. It loses five wizard levels, which is ugly for a high level game, but at mid levels it works ok.
Another thing I'm considering is Duskblade 5 with the Apprentice feat then Urpriest 2 and another PrC that advances divine casting. You need a good Wis though. And cleric 9ths at 15th level is sweet.
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2014-11-20, 09:25 PM (ISO 8601)
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As long as you do have access to Complete Mage, I wonder why did not anyone mention Focused Specialist. This specialized wizard variant grants you 3 extra spell slot on your specialized school in total, and cost you 3 banned schools. Which does not seem to be a problem for OP, as you are not looking at some more eldritchy things and mostly focus on damage spells.
Just keep in mind that you benefit from each of the schools: abjuration (shield and anti-spells things), conjuration (or not if you are not expecting damaging golems with spells or fore armours), evocation (all the damage spells), necromancy (false life and nasty damage/debuffs with no save) and transmutation (with grants important things like wraith strike). Enchantment and illusion are less important, and you may find substitute to abjuration/necromancy if you have got right class features.
There are some cool (or not cool) options:
Armour: fighter substitute class feature, either armoured mage in CM or dragonscale husk in Dragon Magic. Abjurant champion offers another solution but cost you levels. If you are a dwarf, runecaster (Race of Stone) provides a once-for-all solution for arcane failure, but may not be your best choice.
Spell channelling: the best spell channelling ability goes with either ordained champion (CC) or spellsword, which can channel ANY spells into your weapon (which is incredibly powerful with higher spell levels) , but you have to lost at least 3-4 caster levels if you start with wizard spell list. It should also be mentioned that, the channelled spell can be applied to thrown weapons, and can be done before the combat.
RBM is the second best spell channeling ability, which doesn't cost you actions to do it, but limited to a much shorter list of available spells. Still can do some clever tricks, though.
The next is duskblade's spell channelling. It is melee only and can only be a standard action, but can be applied to ANY spells he knowns (usually only duskblade spells, though).
Lastly is smite spell feat. It costs very low but is limited to touch spells, and is most inconvenient.
Combat casting: which is casting-while-attacking ability. Spontaneous metamagic will do it 1 time per day with a very high feat cost. RMB already provides one solution for you at mid-to-high levels, though, so you can just stick to it. Some other PrCs like abjurant champion allows you quicken some limited list of spells.Last edited by Astralia123; 2014-11-20 at 10:38 PM.
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2014-11-20, 09:34 PM (ISO 8601)
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Armored Mage is icky-bad. The best you can do is seven levels of fighter and thirteen levels of a caster class.
Dragonscale Husk is icky-bad. No armor enchantments.
Mithral Fey- or Gith-craft Chain Shirt with Thistledown Suit is yes-good. +4/-0/0%, no enchantments necessary.Last edited by Extra Anchovies; 2014-11-20 at 09:34 PM.
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Its worst effect is that it still takes the body slot. Other than this, it is just okay, cause it costs almost nothing and can be turned off when you have better armour to wear (but if it is heavy/medium armour, you will need a new class level to "reset" your armour option).
Useless when we are talking about something like a heavily optimized campaign, but I guess it is not that unacceptable with this one..Last edited by Astralia123; 2014-11-21 at 02:46 AM.