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    Default Qwertystop's Unexpected-To-Everyone-Or-At-Least-To-Him Random Banter #210

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    Default Re: Qwertystop's Unexpected-To-Everyone-Or-At-Least-To-Him Random Banter #210

    woo, new thread

    ION: soon-ish i'm enrolling at a TAFE for a course that'll let me work at libraries/museums/similar places. i can't wait
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    Praise be the new thread! Which innocent soul shall we sacrifice to our overlord The Giant today?
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    Default Re: Qwertystop's Unexpected-To-Everyone-Or-At-Least-To-Him Random Banter #210

    Yay new thread. Errybody have a dance.

    Also, might be going to see Big Hero Six this weekend with my Aunt and her kid. Oh man really good movies.


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    Default Re: Qwertystop's Unexpected-To-Everyone-Or-At-Least-To-Him Random Banter #210

    Quote Originally Posted by Qwertystop View Post
    Wait for it...
    No, no, no. It's legen- wait for it...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Razanir View Post
    No, no, no. It's legen- wait for it...
    I hope at one point that show made a fake out with milk products.


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    Default Re: Qwertystop's Unexpected-To-Everyone-Or-At-Least-To-Him Random Banter #210

    Quote Originally Posted by LaZodiac View Post
    I hope at one point that show made a fake out with milk products.
    On the last page.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Razanir View Post
    No, no, no. It's legen- wait for it...
    Quote Originally Posted by LaZodiac View Post
    I hope at one point that show made a fake out with milk products.
    IIRC, the original use of that phrase was some weird show called the "Rap Rat" when he pops his head out of a block of cheese.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Somensjev View Post
    woo, new thread

    ION: soon-ish i'm enrolling at a TAFE for a course that'll let me work at libraries/museums/similar oplaces. i can't wait
    A what? But it sounds fun!

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    Praise be the new thread! Which innocent soul shall we sacrifice to our overlord The Giant today?
    What kinds of things do we sacrifice to an online artist anyway? Burning good art paper is easy for an offline one. Do we have to burn a good graphics card?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Taet View Post
    A what? But it sounds fun!


    What kinds of things do we sacrifice to an online artist anyway? Burning good art paper is easy for an offline one. Do we have to burn a good graphics card?
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    On the last page.
    How'd you know my plans for page 50?
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    Hey, new thread smell! I'd join in on discussions and stuff and replying to people from the thread yonder, but I feel horribly ill. So I'm just popping in to have been here a moment. If anyone needs me I'll be in some various corner, likely comatose. *wave* Here's to hoping I feel better today.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LaZodiac View Post
    Yay new thread. Errybody have a dance.

    Also, might be going to see Big Hero Six this weekend with my Aunt and her kid. Oh man really good movies.
    I really want to see that movie. It looks awesome.

    ION: Rest in peace, my dear thread. Goodnight, sweet prince.

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    Well I'm furious at one of my professors. I got my first 0% on a quiz. Why? Not because I didn't know anything. No, I had all correct answers and valid solutions. No, to the best of my understanding, he didn't count it as showing work because I didn't use the same solution as he did.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Razanir View Post
    Well I'm furious at one of my professors. I got my first 0% on a quiz. Why? Not because I didn't know anything. No, I had all correct answers and valid solutions. No, to the best of my understanding, he didn't count it as showing work because I didn't use the same solution as he did.
    I want to give a measured and adult response to this but no, go above his head about it. **** this teacher.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Razanir View Post
    Well I'm furious at one of my professors. I got my first 0% on a quiz. Why? Not because I didn't know anything. No, I had all correct answers and valid solutions. No, to the best of my understanding, he didn't count it as showing work because I didn't use the same solution as he did.
    If you did show the work in some way, I would talk to him about it. Either you will find out that is not the reason, or you may get to improve a grade. From my experience, talking to someone about it is the best way to handle it. Your method clearly worked. Also, I strongly dislike people who believe their way is the only way, eslecially since there is usually another way.

    Edit: I completely agree with LaZodiac on this.
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    I'm starting by just talking to him about it. Explaining that I did show all of my work and what my methodology was. Also owning up to the fact that I did have one mistake in notation. I forgot to say I was taking the variance given some variables, but that should have been inferrable from context.

    EDIT: Also, I'm not mad about the reasoning, oddly enough. Although you can be sure I'm giving a very negative evaluation at the end of the semester. I'm more mad that he took off so many points.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Razanir View Post
    I'm starting by just talking to him about it. Explaining that I did show all of my work and what my methodology was. Also owning up to the fact that I did have one mistake in notation. I forgot to say I was taking the variance given some variables, but that should have been inferrable from context.

    EDIT: Also, I'm not mad about the reasoning, oddly enough. Although you can be sure I'm giving a very negative evaluation at the end of the semester. I'm more mad that he took off so many points.
    In actuarial science and mathematical statistics, the method by which you got your answer is frequently more important than the answer itself. However, if you can explain your reasoning behind your method, you really should be getting some points at least.

    Although if you got to the real answers, you must be doing something right. Maybe he just wanted to make a point about the methods to use. Or something equally idiotic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Feytalist View Post
    In actuarial science and mathematical statistics, the method by which you got your answer is frequently more important than the answer itself. However, if you can explain your reasoning behind your method, you really should be getting some points at least.

    Although if you got to the real answers, you must be doing something right. Maybe he just wanted to make a point about the methods to use. Or something equally idiotic.
    The same goes for computer science, really. If your solution scales too poorly, or fails to follow established coding conventions, it may be failed per default even if it reaches the correct answer.

    For instance, we have one professor right now who fails you on the course if you on two separate occations forget to document but a single loop variant. Or accidently name one of the handin files incorrectly. But then again, he seriously doesn't have enough time to deal with the overhead of renaming a huge bunch of files to be able to run their test scripts on them, and he hasn't been anything but clear about what the rules are.
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    If you got the correct answerz, you should have gotten at least partial credit. Please tell me if you do fogure out what was wrong. I really want to know why someone marked off so many points for it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Feytalist View Post
    In actuarial science and mathematical statistics, the method by which you got your answer is frequently more important than the answer itself. However, if you can explain your reasoning behind your method, you really should be getting some points at least.

    Although if you got to the real answers, you must be doing something right. Maybe he just wanted to make a point about the methods to use. Or something equally idiotic.
    It was about predicting time series. On one question, I solved it exactly correctly, I just "eyeballed" the prediction equation. To me, at least, it's a simple enough expected value that I shouldn't need to say I'm taking one. If it's a linear sum of past terms and error terms, I think it's fairly obvious that to predict it, you just plug predicted/observed values into the recursion and assume future errors are 0.

    The other one was finding the width of a two-period prediction interval. Except instead of working with the error two periods from now, I used the actual time series. So I used that same recursive logic to find the predicted value in terms of errors and observed values. (I.e. things with known variance) Then I just used the usual sum of variance formula, with V(ε) as the estimate value we were given and V(observed value) as 0.

    On a happier note, I think I found the two most obvious statements I've made in math classes recently.

    • If a=b, then a=b
    • V(X|X) = 0
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    Quote Originally Posted by Razanir View Post
    It was about predicting time series. On one question, I solved it exactly correctly, I just "eyeballed" the prediction equation. To me, at least, it's a simple enough expected value that I shouldn't need to say I'm taking one. If it's a linear sum of past terms and error terms, I think it's fairly obvious that to predict it, you just plug predicted/observed values into the recursion and assume future errors are 0.

    The other one was finding the width of a two-period prediction interval. Except instead of working with the error two periods from now, I used the actual time series. So I used that same recursive logic to find the predicted value in terms of errors and observed values. (I.e. things with known variance) Then I just used the usual sum of variance formula, with V(ε) as the estimate value we were given and V(observed value) as 0.
    Yeah, in easier cases it's possible to see what the answer "should" be. And it's tempting to just give it

    But I imagine that the point is to use the standard methods for the easy stuff, so that when the more difficult stuff comes around, it is already ingrained. You won't be able to do the same with a time series with a weird cyclical trend, or with non-zero future error terms, or whatever. I've always found it useful to state your assumptions at least generally, like

    Assume future trends follow past experience, and
    Assume future expected deviation is zero

    and so on.

    Might sound obvious, but sometimes it's what they want.

    On a happier note, I think I found the two most obvious statements I've made in math classes recently.

    • If a=b, then a=b
    • V(X|X) = 0
    Both of these statements fills me with an immense satisfaction
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    Quote Originally Posted by Feytalist View Post
    Yeah, in easier cases it's possible to see what the answer "should" be. And it's tempting to just give it

    But I imagine that the point is to use the standard methods for the easy stuff, so that when the more difficult stuff comes around, it is already ingrained. You won't be able to do the same with a time series with a weird cyclical trend, or with non-zero future error terms, or whatever. I've always found it useful to state your assumptions at least generally,
    Part of the problem is that I'm very much used to recursion at this point. My logic: Any given term is just a sum (because we're only doing ARMA right now). The expected value of a sum is the sum of expected values. All the terms are either constants, errors, or previous terms. Constants stay, well, constant. Errors we assume are 0. Previous terms are either other predicted values or observed values.

    I won't deny that there might be cases where that doesn't work. But this is definitely a time where I'd need to see one to get why.

    Both of these statements fills me with an immense satisfaction
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    If a=b, then a=b: I was attempting to see if the first n moments can uniquely define a set of n elements. This was the base case for n=1.

    V(X|X) = 0: In that second time series question, I wound up with V(Y_T | Y_1, ..., Y_T).
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    I live in the cheaper suburbs, so no one really has their own driveways to shovel as we're all cramped in these blocks of flats. I kinda miss and don't miss doing it - I just have some really fond memories of doing it with dad when I was a kid, back when we lived in the countryside. If I could, I would join you! And then we'd make a snow castle and shoot enemies from there.
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    I live in the cheaper suburbs, so no one really has their own driveways to shovel as we're all cramped in these blocks of flats. I kinda miss and don't miss doing it - I just have some really fond memories of doing it with dad when I was a kid, back when we lived in the countryside. If I could, I would join you! And then we'd make a snow castle and shoot enemies from there.
    That sounds like fun. As tough as shoveling is, doing it with someone else can make it enjoyable.


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