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2014-12-16, 05:28 PM (ISO 8601)
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It requires situational awareness and the ability to make judgment calls to do properly (competent), at which point the difference between a robot and an animal or person is negligible and we owe them good treatment (well compensated and safe) and we should preemptively head off treating them as a slave race (not discriminated against in hiring practices). Like I said, I don't care who does the work if those conditions are met.
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2014-12-16, 05:54 PM (ISO 8601)
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2014-12-16, 05:54 PM (ISO 8601)
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2014-12-16, 07:39 PM (ISO 8601)
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2014-12-17, 01:43 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: LGBTAI+ Questions and Discussion thread II: Make It Double
I made the thread be about robots. Best day!
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2014-12-17, 02:07 PM (ISO 8601)
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2014-12-17, 02:11 PM (ISO 8601)
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2014-12-17, 09:20 PM (ISO 8601)
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2014-12-18, 02:59 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: LGBTAI+ Questions and Discussion thread II: Make It Double
How often do other folks here play characters in RPGs with different sexual/romantic/gender orientations than yourself, and what's your orientation? I'm curious to see if there are trends (I'm currently playing a homosexual male alchemist as a male bisexual, but in general I like playing characters with a wide range of tastes and flavors: For a long time I had a no lesbian/bisexual women rule for fear of being mistaken for "that guy," but I've since relented).
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2014-12-18, 03:04 AM (ISO 8601)
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I play bisexual characters pretty often, largely because I don't want limits on who I can have my character romance. As for gender, I am male more often than female, but play women with some frequency. Women I have played have been straight or asexual, though. Not sure why. I am developing a character for a super hero game that is gay. As for myself, I am a heterosexual male with a low sex drive.
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2014-12-18, 03:11 AM (ISO 8601)
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My gaming groups fall into three camps; "hurr hurr boobies", "N/A" and "everyone is lesbian, especially the men". That last one applies to players or characters at your leisure.
I trend towards heterosexuals, but specifically because it's weird; I can think of no other young 'men' who would play a straight woman straight (pardon the pun). RP has always been about psychological exploration and acting mindset for me.
Related (in my mind): Golentan, Anarion, Coidzor, do you folks have strong gender identities? Or are they defined by being static more than [DEFINITELY THIS GENDER]?Last edited by SiuiS; 2014-12-18 at 03:15 AM.
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2014-12-18, 03:16 AM (ISO 8601)
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2014-12-18, 03:18 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: LGBTAI+ Questions and Discussion thread II: Make It Double
I was born with an unfortunate case of congenital penis, but with medical help I should be able to make a full physical recovery.
The anecdotal rate of 8-12 year old males who play D&D or similar, play female characters, and are not A) prostitutes or B) lesbians (because hurr hurr boobies) is vanishingly small.
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2014-12-18, 03:23 AM (ISO 8601)
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Hmm. I suppose I don't see it, but I play with adults. And my regular group is pretty evenly split when it comes to gender and sexual orientations. Disconnecting ones own preferences from ones characters doesn't seem that hard to me, either. In my games, I've had a straight(ish) male character played by a gay(mostly) man end up with a straight female character played by a straight dude and nobody thought it odd. If your experiences are with a more juvenile crowd, I sympathize.
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2014-12-18, 03:28 AM (ISO 8601)
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I identify as genderqueer. I go along with "male/masculine" because people seeing me assume it to be true, because no gender appeals more than another, and because I'm secure enough in myself to not care what other people think about it (whether I'm in a "masculine" or "feminine" mode at the time, I don't care what people think: I'm not going to pretend to be something I'm not either by faking a case of testosterone poisoning or pretending to be a little girl to justify my love of skirts or entering a female dominated profession). But, I mean, I remember being female, whether or not it's happened (probably not, but it's real to me), about half my lives have been women, and regardless of my current gender perception I identify far more with my Birth Caste "Back Home" than with either male and female (which I swapped between with a hormone cocktail as a mere child of 53 years anyway when I was promoted). My last life I was a grandmother. I was a kickass grandma.
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2014-12-18, 03:29 AM (ISO 8601)
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I have recently started playing more non-cis characters, and the sexuality of most of my characters is pretty vague. Mainly because I'm on the ace spectrum myself, so writing about attraction for characters who aren't on the ace spectrum is pretty hard for me.
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2014-12-18, 03:50 AM (ISO 8601)
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Fairly often. Most of my characters are aromantic asexuals, or are at most gray-ace, while I am ye olde straight white male. The majority of them have been cisgender like I am.
Spoiler: more detailsOnly once has one of my characters been explicitly stated to be asexual to the rest of the group, and that was also the only androgyne character I played, because I couldn't decide what to play so I made it so that no one knew what to make of them themselves. We ended up defaulting to female pronouns for the character after a few them/them confusions during play though. I can't remember what I ended up deciding at the time, but right now I think of her as an AFAB agender androgyne "woman" who uses the term grudgingly and for convenience in dealing with others when it is strictly necessary.
I may not play them correctly though, as they sometimes use observational humor over the sexual underpinnings of an awkward situation the party encounters that makes the situation even more awkard but also kind of hilariously ridiculous too.
I can't remember the last time I played a heterosexual male character, I've never played a gay or bi or pan male character, I've only played a few female characters and most of those I've never been able to get enough of a feel for to feel they had a sexuality, a or nay.
I've played warforged and creatures made out of semi-solidified light and dark and shadow and twilight before, and those didn't have sex or sexuality but did have gender and were ubiquitously masculinely gendered or gender neutral with masculine tendencies due to male being the default and my age at the time.
I suspect many D&D characters are somewhere on or near the ace spectrum, de facto if not explicitly.
There are definitely, ah, practical reasons why playing a straight woman without getting juvenile about it might be balked at. Certainly not wanting to have to RP out any romance scenes with, well, any of my DMs, male or female, has been a contributing factor to my characters being disinterested in sex, sexuality, romance, or attractive damsels in distress or oiled up barbarians.
Unless those oiled up barbarians looked like a good challenge in a fight, seemed potentially recruitable as minions, or there was money involved.
I'm also rather hit-or-miss with romance scenes in fiction, sometimes they're rather interesting but most of the time they're just so much filler.
Hm? I'm not quite sure I'm following the question. Or at least, I believe I have a fairly good idea of what a strong gender identity would constitute, but I'm a bit fuzzier on what a gender identity that's defined as being static more than [DEFINITELY THIS GENDER] would entail.
I suppose I fluctuate to some extent, since I'm only consciously aware of being male when reminded by context or something happening, but when I am consciously aware of it, it's more than just an awareness of that physicality or of having those body parts. I think the furthest away from that state of heightened male consciousness of maleness is more distracted/absentminded/hyper-focused on something rather than any sort of feeling of not having gender, even as a passive rather than active thing.
Though I'd really only define myself as strongly gendered as male due to the contrast between what I'm aware of in myself and what I've heard from people who are weakly gendered or too apathetic on gender to be agender but could take or leave gender itself. So I guess if I had to take a stab at it, I'd say middling-strongly gendered male?
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2014-12-18, 04:09 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: LGBTAI+ Questions and Discussion thread II: Make It Double
Only about 1/10 of my characters are Ace, the rest split about equally between straight, gay, bisexual. Whether or not it ever comes up, my characters are fully fleshed out characters with needs and desires beyond loot and XP. I've played recovering alcoholics who've never mentioned why they stick to cranberry juice when everyone goes to the tavern, but the reason is they don't trust themselves with a beer. Whether or not they're Ace, their sexuality is never de facto.
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2014-12-18, 06:45 AM (ISO 8601)
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I'm a heterosexual transman, though I seldom identify as such. (I just call myself a guy, not a transman.)
Not long after starting transition, my gaming group (none of whom knew my trans status) started a Vampire: the Requiem game. Since the only WoD I'd ever played was Vampire: the Masquerade - Bloodlines (a video game), I didn't really know what to do with my PC. So I based the PC on the Baron of Santa Monica - a female Malkavian with multiple personalities. The "normal" personality had my birth name and was straight; the other personality was bisexual.
In a Changling: the Lost LARP, I played a gay male escort.Hello. My name is Inigo Montoya. You killed my father. Prepare to die.
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2014-12-18, 10:55 AM (ISO 8601)
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I haven't had a chance to play anything in ages but of the ~ten characters I have used who were well fleshed-out three were canonically asexual, three were straight, two were gay/lesbian, one was questioning, and one was bi. Not that any of this ever came up in-game because I'm a bit averse to roleplaying romance anyway and the group in general also didn't do much of that.
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2014-12-18, 11:43 AM (ISO 8601)
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I always play gay male characters, even if the gay part is never mentioned. However, when I DM I strive for gender equality when it comes to NPC.
Sorry, couldn't resist.
Damn that was an awesome game. Did you know that there is a mod that lets you recruit henchman, including her?
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2014-12-18, 12:05 PM (ISO 8601)
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Well...
In a sense it's nigh-impossible for any of my characters to be a different gender from mine, and in another it's almost impossible that they should be the same. I play a mix of male (Callen and Solion Luminor but Solion is later Solia, Jonah Cyrus, Arcanus Mecharius, Kharrus Nessurion, Administrator Antony, Garen Ta-Elvra), female (Solia and Marie Luminor, Kalira Cortesa, Azra Vochar, Sarah and Raine Calthar, Speaker Trianna, Elena Ignacio), other (Commander Kayros Vochar, Arbiter Noone), genderfluid (Pedro Ignacio - only really genderfluid due to multiple personalities but ehh), and unknown (Legio Animus but is probably Pedro, The Hunter but might be Kharrus). There are two to seven trans characters depending on how you count Pedro's personalities and what kind of trans you're talking (Solia, Pedro up to 4 times, Kayros?, Noone?).
Garen is gay and Sarah and Azra are lesbians and Trianna mentions she "Prefers girls" which might mean she's a lesbian and might mean that she only prefers them in a very literal sense and is bi, Pedro is bi/pan, Noone is heavily implied to be ace, Legio is probably ace, Callen, Kharrus and Marie are straight in an or-possibly-bisexual way (Callen and Marie are married and Kharrus and Raine is explicitly straight (because her sister mentions it). Solia, Jonah, Arcanus, Antony, Kalira, Elena, Kayros, and The Hunter are never specified.
And now you have more information on the secret lives of my RPG characters than you will ever need.
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2014-12-18, 12:23 PM (ISO 8601)
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You obviously sleep with whomever and whatever will advance you in society towards becoming arch dictator of your dms world whilst keeping a little pink book of favors people owe you.
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2014-12-18, 02:38 PM (ISO 8601)
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I've played a fairly equal mix of men and women (including ponies) in games that I've been in. Also in videogames where you get to pick your gender. I think most of my characters have been straight, but for some it didn't really come up. When it did, I was always interested in using an RPG setting to simply explore romance without worrying about other issues. I suppose one character was a furry since the Changeling game that SiuiS and I played in had my leopard guy interested in SiuiS' owl girl.
Edit: Actually, Tessen was probably bisexual. She identified as heterosexual, but she went out with Cyprus (a very elegant woman) and was having weird feelings about the whole thing, and she was interested in going out with Errant had things not taken a turn for the monstrous in that game.
I identify as asexual with some remaining uncertainty and a fetish that I don't detail anywhere that can be read by the public. Feel free to PM if you want more of my perspective.
I mentioned this one a little while back when we were talking about labels vs. identity. I do not strongly identify with my gender. I have no desire to change it, but I couldn't care less if people get it wrong. I use a female pony avatar here even though I'm a guy because I like the female pony body shape better. I have a relatively high voice and sometimes get mistaken for a woman on the phone and I never correct people because I don't really care (also I think it makes customer service people more helpful and I am not above exploiting this ).
I do have a fairly dominant personality sometimes, which some would associate as a traditionally masculine trait. I'm pretty sure I'd have the same personality had I been born female, though.
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2014-12-18, 08:57 PM (ISO 8601)
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Yeah. My gaming career started "professionally" when I was 9, and the majority of people are either juvenile or refrain from the topics because of conditioning and fear of the juvenile. I had a group here in the playground that was capable of adult stuff and then managed to burn my bridges while fiddling a merry jig, and then we all kinda mourned drifting apart. Le sigh.
Aye. I've only had one character for whom romance was a point of importance, at a game of trusted folk, and still managed to get flak from someone for a one-off sentence.
Well no, I'm thinking D&D specifically. Nameless Snow Owl was having some interesting times with a leopard didn't fit her usual "user/luster/player/court intrigue" expectations.
Hm? I'm not quite sure I'm following the question. Or at least, I believe I have a fairly good idea of what a strong gender identity would constitute, but I'm a bit fuzzier on what a gender identity that's defined as being static more than [DEFINITELY THIS GENDER] would entail.
I suppose I fluctuate to some extent, since I'm only consciously aware of being male when reminded by context or something happening, but when I am consciously aware of it, it's more than just an awareness of that physicality or of having those body parts. I think the furthest away from that state of heightened male consciousness of maleness is more distracted/absentminded/hyper-focused on something rather than any sort of feeling of not having gender, even as a passive rather than active thing.
Though I'd really only define myself as strongly gendered as male due to the contrast between what I'm aware of in myself and what I've heard from people who are weakly gendered or too apathetic on gender to be agender but could take or leave gender itself. So I guess if I had to take a stab at it, I'd say middling-strongly gendered male?
What I meant was, do you specifically feel male, or do you just not feel that you need to challenge your gender identity? Uh, like, "this is what I am, and it's constant, and it may as well be 'male' because why not, it fits, so I'm going to call it male" versus "yup. Definitely a man, 100%, not just constant but constantly manly".
I cannot word from brain day before tomorrow it is known.
I think this caused me to lump you in with the GM, as a quantum lesbian player.
I mentioned this one a little while back when we were talking about labels vs. identity. I do not strongly identify with my gender. I have no desire to change it, but I couldn't care less if people get it wrong. I use a female pony avatar here even though I'm a guy because I like the female pony body shape better. I have a relatively high voice and sometimes get mistaken for a woman on the phone and I never correct people because I don't really care (also I think it makes customer service people more helpful and I am not above exploiting this ).
That's question was open to all by the bye, I just had specific targets as well as general curiosity.
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2014-12-19, 05:16 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: LGBTAI+ Questions and Discussion thread II: Make It Double
Is that really relevant in a RPG?
I may sound very childish but most of the time I play I want to kill dragons and save the world not try to seduce a NPC that the DM is interpreting(I'm the DM most of the time anyway).
What is the fun of doing that? Can someone explain to me?Last edited by Zurvan; 2014-12-19 at 05:20 AM.
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2014-12-19, 06:32 AM (ISO 8601)
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Depends on the game. Most of the D&D games I've been in have been more hack-and-slash, so the concept of relationships never came up. World of Darkness is more character-focused, so relationships/orientation are more likely to come up. As I said above, I played a Changling whose orientation was a specific part of the character concept.
Hello. My name is Inigo Montoya. You killed my father. Prepare to die.
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2014-12-19, 08:37 AM (ISO 8601)
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Getting inside the character's skin is a big deal for me. Not every RPG is about killing the dragon and saving the kingdom, and a lot of stories end with folks retiring with their loved ones to raise a family. I don't need to flirt with characters to try to understand what my character likes in the people around him.
Also, I play a lot of Exalted. I'm trying to get a dragonblooded game running: marriage and love and sex are really important questions in such a game, carrying a ton of politics and pressure to pass on the gift of the dragons to children.
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2014-12-19, 01:07 PM (ISO 8601)
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Simple: Men and women are not equal. Women genuinely are weaker than men, a fact which is recognised in, for example, health & safety law regarding safe lifting of heavy loads. For those jobs in which no significant call for "equality" has been raised, upper body strength is a genuine occupational requirement. Sufficiently strong women are welcome to work those jobs, but they would be subject to the same strength requirement as the men. I'd be pretty annoyed if such a woman suffered sexual harassment at work though, same as any other workplace.
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2014-12-19, 01:52 PM (ISO 8601)
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If you're playing a tactical game, I don't think it comes up much. A lot of the games that I've played, though, have been games focused primarily on character dynamics. Settings were in coffee shops, restaurants, and city streets. Even if the characters had magic powers, the challenge tended to be getting other people to buy in to your agenda, not blowing up monsters. When you're spending your time getting into the character's head and thinking about social relationships, I think it's pretty natural to think about romance as well. A lunch out with someone might be primarily designed around agreeing to pursue the same magical project, but sexual interest in the interaction can make the NPC suddenly very interesting or (if one is more calculating) easy to manipulate. It just comes up in those kinds of interactions.
Occasionally, it's even totally unintended. I had no plans for my character to try and woo SiuiS' character in our Changeling game. But we were in France, there was lots of wine, and the character personalities meshed in a way where it suddenly seemed really interesting to pursue it.