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2014-12-20, 04:42 PM (ISO 8601)
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What spell(s) would you use to cure a birth defect?
I mean like a nasty birth defect, like tetralogy of fallot.
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2014-12-20, 05:01 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: What spell(s) would you use to cure a birth defect?
Polymorph Any Object, maybe Wish or Miracle. Reincarnate could work (personality issues aside) and Regeneration would most likely too.
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2014-12-20, 05:03 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: What spell(s) would you use to cure a birth defect?
Last Breath. New body means the old defects don't matter. Might have some problems from suddenly being in a young adult body, but those can be worked out.
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2014-12-20, 05:05 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: What spell(s) would you use to cure a birth defect?
PAO would require constant recasting because of how fast a baby grows and they would die upon being hit by a dispel magic. I forgot regenerate exists(it is normally pretty bad) but would a malforned organ count as "ruined" given that the malformation is that particular organ's default shape? Or amI just overthinking it?
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2014-12-20, 05:05 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: What spell(s) would you use to cure a birth defect?
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2014-12-20, 05:07 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: What spell(s) would you use to cure a birth defect?
Regeneration, Restoration, possibly even cure light wounds.
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2014-12-20, 05:11 PM (ISO 8601)
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2014-12-20, 05:14 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: What spell(s) would you use to cure a birth defect?
Would Iron Heart Surge help?
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2014-12-20, 05:14 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: What spell(s) would you use to cure a birth defect?
The Necropolitan Ritual. Or just raise the kid as a slaymate.
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2014-12-20, 05:19 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: What spell(s) would you use to cure a birth defect?
Flesh to Stone, Make Whole, Stone to Flesh.
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2014-12-21, 12:42 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: What spell(s) would you use to cure a birth defect?
Limited Wish would probably be able to fix most birth defects, as would any spell that would restore lost limbs or other damaged body parts. Depending on the exact effects of the condition, it might even be possible that a Heal would remove the defect.
For Blue-Baby Syndrome specifically though? Any spell that removed the need to breathe would probably fix the condition for the time being, since you're looking at fixing the oxygenation of the blood.
Of course, for the less moral solution, there is always the option of desanguinaztion. After all, a vampire does not need a fully functional heart, only enough blood to sate its thirst.
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2014-12-21, 02:13 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: What spell(s) would you use to cure a birth defect?
I know I'm in the minority, but remove disease. By the medical definition of disease, both birth defects and harmful genetic abnormalities are included.
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2014-12-21, 02:14 AM (ISO 8601)
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2014-12-21, 03:09 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: What spell(s) would you use to cure a birth defect?
I'd say, at the very least, Regenerate. However, depending on the exact nature of the abnormality, I'd say even a weaker [Healing] spell could work. Basically anything that is a result of a single base pair error I would argue Restoration, or Heal would do the trick. However, I don't think anything weaker than Restoration could cure such diseases.
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2014-12-21, 03:46 AM (ISO 8601)
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2014-12-21, 06:36 AM (ISO 8601)
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2014-12-21, 06:45 AM (ISO 8601)
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2014-12-21, 07:36 AM (ISO 8601)
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2014-12-21, 09:14 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: What spell(s) would you use to cure a birth defect?
I tend to think of the rules as presented as the subset of the rules that actually exist that are relevant for players. As such spells for these sort of issues exist in universe, but are not presented in any of the books. It is similar to how I consider there to exist rules for farming, including feats for farmers, despite them not actually appearing in print anywhere.
What complicates things is that we do not know what causes birth defects in universe. Real world medical mechanisms are unlikely to be at work in a world with magic, so I tend to reject any argument that goes that direction. In my games all disease is caused by latent necromancy (or overuse of magic), and so is always slightly 'supernatural' in effect. As such, health issues will often have a minimum caster and/or spell level to cure or suppress them, and sometimes an xp cost or strange material component. No catch all 'remove disease' in my games, though remove disease will function normally on pretty much all naturally occuring diseases in a young fit target. A newborn child is not a young fit target.
With the spontaneous birth defects occuring among the populace in a haunted region (high latent necromancy) I would probably use a 2nd level spell with an xp cost of 25. In a less harsh enviroment a birth defect in a newborn prince would probably be a far more powerful curse (though could just be bad luck), requiring more powerful magic to suppress it, and something very specific to cure it.
Hope this gives you some ideas, but as far as I am aware there are no rules in stone for birth defects. DM call.
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2014-12-21, 12:03 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: What spell(s) would you use to cure a birth defect?
Mind Rape. What birth defect?
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2014-12-21, 12:22 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: What spell(s) would you use to cure a birth defect?
There is some precedent in the rules . . . after a fashion. DMG II has various oddball NPC templates, some of which are circumstantial but others are basically just accidents of birth just like a birth defect.
So if you consider the birth defect an inherited template, it makes the rules part of the question a bit easier to answer.
Bonus points if you can convince your DM to use the PHB II rules to allow you to "rebuild" your character and get rid of the defect template that way. ;)
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2014-12-21, 02:12 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: What spell(s) would you use to cure a birth defect?
Regeneration. Most aren't genetic. Genetics may contribute but no more than they do to the common cold. For those that are genetic, regeneration should work but you may need a wish or miracle to keep he condition from returning. For brain damage regeneration would restore normal basic mental function but to repair memories, motor skills and so on you may need a wish or miracle. Not as much of a concern on a newborn who hasn't developed these yet anyway.
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2014-12-21, 02:28 PM (ISO 8601)
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2014-12-21, 07:52 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: What spell(s) would you use to cure a birth defect?
Wouldn't this come under DM fiat in a game? You can name a lot of spells that might be able to do the trick, but there are no specific rules on birth defects in D&D AFAIK so the answer could be any of them or none of them. I suppose you could argue it depends on whether the problem is genetic or if something went wrong during the pregnancy. A genetic problem arguably wouldn't be fixable using magic as the spells are intended to restore you to how nature intends you to be.
You could even argue it might take extreme measures like some of the flesh grafting tricks to replace the faulty body part.
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2014-12-21, 08:03 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: What spell(s) would you use to cure a birth defect?
It really depends on how you model it. You could look at it like Ability Drain, so Restoration would work, and you could include defects with more specific effects for simplicity. Or you could make the cure specific to how you model the effect.
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2014-12-22, 06:57 AM (ISO 8601)
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2014-12-22, 02:18 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: What spell(s) would you use to cure a birth defect?
You can make that risk very low. If the birth defect character has 1 Cleric level with the Pride domain, they get to reroll a 1 on a saving throw. You could add a spell (Benediction from Complete Champion) and/or an infusion (Lucky Cape from Magic of Eberron) for more rerolls.
The whole point of using Stone to Flesh at the end is that there's nothing keeping Break Enchantment from undoing the instantaneous "fix" provided by Make Whole while the subject is turned into stone.Originally Posted by Break Enchantment
Break Enchantment may indeed kill the person whose health you're trying to improve (by reversing the birth defect fix), is my point.
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2014-12-22, 05:32 PM (ISO 8601)
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2014-12-22, 06:16 PM (ISO 8601)
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2014-12-22, 07:11 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: What spell(s) would you use to cure a birth defect?
if this is just about say a birth mark or scar on the skin from birth and not a wound, then there is no spell to fix it i believe, not intended anyway.
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