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2015-01-16, 05:54 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Class and Level Geekery XIII - Comic As Written, not Comic As Intended
The Giant using 3rd party - even free 3rd party, seems a little doubtful, though I wouldn't rule it out entirely.
I figure that it's more likely that feats would be the official ones.
Regarding what items Xykon has - I figure ones in books, are a bit more likely than homebrew ones.
Raising the question of what Xykon's "fire immunity" item is - a homebrew one, or a more obvious one like the Epic "Ring of Energy Immunity". If it's that, it would suggest Xykon has the Forge Epic Ring feat
http://www.d20srd.org/srd/epic/feats.htm#forgeEpicRing
putting him at at least 32nd level (allowing him more feats).Last edited by hamishspence; 2015-01-16 at 05:55 PM.
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2015-01-16, 05:55 PM (ISO 8601)
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2015-01-16, 06:07 PM (ISO 8601)
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2015-01-17, 01:59 AM (ISO 8601)
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Indeed, he is proven at being well-versed in game design. Which supports my argument of, "why would he search obscure third party sources for a very specific feat when could make his own and call it 'Xykon's Awesome Metamagic,' which would do exactly what he needed it to do?"
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2015-01-17, 02:22 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Class and Level Geekery XIII - Comic As Written, not Comic As Intended
I think this whole tangent is probably destined to be a fruitless one. The Giant almost certainly has never bothered to make a list of Xykon's feats, so whether or not he's read a given sourcebook, or whether it would be legal for him to use a given feat from one of said books, is likely irrelevant. The real task here, IMO, is to figure out which sourcebooks we want to treat as applicable to the OOTSverse, so that we can figure out which rules Xykon may actually be making use of in order to do his thang.
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2015-01-17, 06:01 AM (ISO 8601)
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2015-01-17, 08:02 AM (ISO 8601)
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Wait, wait, let me get this clear. We've seen Xykon use metamagic twice in what? A hundred years? And you're saying, because of that evidence, only being able to use metamagic 3x/day ISN'T enough?
Xykon could have a "free metamagic 2 times per decade" feat and it would be enough to use all the metamagic we have seen him use.Last edited by littlebum2002; 2015-01-17 at 08:07 AM.
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2015-01-17, 10:00 AM (ISO 8601)
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It's more that, when using different types of metamagic on 9th level spells - being able to do so via one thing (Improved Spell Capacity) makes more sense to me than being able to do so via two different things (2 metamagic feats, or two magic items).
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Aha, I knew that the whole Rapid Metamagic/Metamagic Specialist thing had come up before! The primary evidence discussed at that time was 656, where he apparently moved and cast a maximized Lightning Bolt in the same round. On looking over it again, I don't think that evidence holds: That could have been the previous round, with a standard action to Meteor Swarm and a move to over Jirix's corpse, followed by a full-round maximized lightning bolt.
However, we also have the point that he cast a metamagicked Meteor Swarm while grappled, and only spells with a standard action or less casting time can be cast while grappled. There, we're forced to assume either some means of metamagicking in a standard action, or a violation of the rules, and assuming a violation of the rules should be considered a last resort in this thread.Time travels in divers paces with divers persons.
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2015-01-17, 12:24 PM (ISO 8601)
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2015-01-17, 03:43 PM (ISO 8601)
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OK, so he can definitely quicken some very high level spells. That, and the fact that we don't see him tack extra magic missiles onto his turns, suggests that he does not have automatic quicken, and instead probably has something that lets him do it a limited time.
Also, I noticed that crushing hand, like all the lines, has as many hit points as you do when undamaged. Since a meteor swarm took out the hand, that means that V's maximum hit points (at the time of that strip) was 192. Not particularly enlightening unfortunately.Last edited by Kornaki; 2015-01-17 at 03:47 PM.
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2015-01-20, 06:33 AM (ISO 8601)
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Speaking of Xykon, I note from SOD that he should have a ring of Positive Energy protection.
Furthermore, in comic 661 he first bursts through a solid stone wall, and then uses some kind of explosive spell that knocks down more walls. Any thoughts on how he might accomplish that?Guide to the Magus, the Pathfinder Gish class.
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2015-01-20, 08:50 AM (ISO 8601)
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I thought the assumption was that he lost anything from SoD in the explosion.
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2015-01-20, 09:04 AM (ISO 8601)
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About the wallbreaking, I've allways assumed it was just display of raw strength (despite de black aura).
The second explosion, though, I think deserves some spell research (no pun intended).
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2015-01-20, 10:15 AM (ISO 8601)
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too?
Not sure what you mean. Are we ok that there was no dungeon in the valley where the hobgoblins were. They did not built an encampment on it as Quartz fought, they just are on the path between the reserve dungeon and the Dungeon of Dorukan.
If there is a doubt, #190 may clear it.
On another subject, I was under the impression that SoD and On the Origin of PCs were written with 3.5 rules despite being before the first strip. The same for Uncivil Servant.Last edited by Quild; 2015-01-20 at 10:22 AM.
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2015-01-20, 10:42 AM (ISO 8601)
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At one point in Origin of PCs Durkon says to Roy (when Roy overestimates Durkon's speed) "This be a prequel you fool! We're still under 3.0 rules!"
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2015-01-21, 04:52 AM (ISO 8601)
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2015-01-21, 04:58 AM (ISO 8601)
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As I mentioned recently in another thread, the OOTS Smilies thread in my signature still has them.
(Except for "Soul Muncher", which never had one that I know of).
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2015-01-22, 09:09 AM (ISO 8601)
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I think it relates to this: http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0176.html
It reminds me the "Leap Attack" that I've been using with a lvl12 warrior/ Frenzied berserker dwarf character with 2H axe for a one shot scenario, but Belkar didn't charge.
I miss that character... It was really a one shot character :D.
The hard part was to get at least 20 yards between enemies and me, but for some reason they had the wrong reflexe to try to flee.
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2015-01-22, 04:47 PM (ISO 8601)
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One of Haley's wands is Magic Missle as per 973.
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