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Thread: Wild Soul optimization help.
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2015-02-09, 09:30 PM (ISO 8601)
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Wild Soul optimization help.
Need help optimizing a Sorcerer 5/Wild Soul 10/Something 5 to tier 1 status.
CN Magic-Blooded Half-Fey Shee (third party Fey)
Feats:
1: Apprentice (philosopher)
Flaw: Nymph's Kiss (houseruled non-exalted)
Flaw: Spellfire Wielder
3: Item Familiar
6: Otherworldly Countenance
Starting at level 8, going to around twenty or so, maybe higher. Going for a Summoner/Enchanter/Illusionist build.
Thanks in advance. I will turn everyone into my playthings for eternity if anyone suggests wizard.Last edited by Bad Wolf; 2015-02-11 at 01:10 PM.
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2015-02-10, 01:53 AM (ISO 8601)
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2015-02-10, 09:14 PM (ISO 8601)
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2015-02-11, 06:24 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Wild Soul optimization help.
I'm working on a fey-themed character myself. So far he's bard 14//cleric 4/geomancer 10, has the unseelie fey template. If you have that template and focus on the Fey Heritage feats from Complete Mage, you'll eventually end up with DR 20/cold iron by level 12. Also, unseelie fey is awesome (Winter's Chill FTW).
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2015-02-11, 09:29 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Wild Soul optimization help.
Spend 300 gp to get Iron Will from an Otyugh Hole, grab a metamagic feat and the right skills, and enter Incantatrix (PGtF) for all 5 levels. Add metamagic for free by making concentration checks.
While you said no wizards, taking level 1 and progressing it twice can get you into Ultimate Magus, for a different kind of metamagic shenanigans.
Not sure if any of this actually improves you to tier 1 or just more powerful tier 2. You don't get any extra tricks, just more powerful tricks.
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2015-02-11, 10:46 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Wild Soul optimization help.
5 levels of Shadowcraft Mage (Shadow Cabal adaptation) would also make you tier 1.
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2015-02-11, 11:03 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Wild Soul optimization help.
Also thematically appropriate, particularly unseelie, with the focus on illusion. However, the racial requirement disqualifies it unless you get DM approval or take three levels of Stoneblessed, which means you won't get Shadow Illusion (you need 3 levels of Shadowcraft Mage).
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2015-02-11, 11:11 AM (ISO 8601)
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2015-02-11, 01:04 PM (ISO 8601)
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2015-02-11, 01:15 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Wild Soul optimization help.
Honestly, as long as you take (Greater) Shadow Evocation, (Greater) Shadow Conjuration, Shades, Limited Wish, and Wish as spells known (and maybe Arcane Disciple: Luck domain to nab Miracle), you're pushing tier 1 anyway. Enhanced Shadow Reality feat and 3 levels of Shadowcrafter (requires Spell Focus and Greater Spell Focus).
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2015-02-11, 09:42 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Wild Soul optimization help.
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2015-02-12, 10:51 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Wild Soul optimization help.
Yeah, I forgot about that bit of ESR, sorry.
Shadowcrafter isn't mandatory, it just gives your shadow spells a nice bump. Spell selection IS mandatory if you're reaching for tier 1 with a sorcerer. What separates tier 1 from tier 2 is versatility, not power. Shadow conjuration/evocation, their Greater counterparts, Shades, Limited Wish, Wish, and Miracle (a feat just for Miracle IS worth it, IMO) give you an amazing amount of versatility. Add in polymorph and shapechange and you're good to go. You will still be 2 caster levels behind a wizard, though, which hurts.
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2015-02-12, 02:33 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Wild Soul optimization help.
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2015-02-12, 03:00 PM (ISO 8601)
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2015-02-12, 09:04 PM (ISO 8601)
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2015-02-13, 07:35 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Wild Soul optimization help.
See posts 10 and 16 of the SCM Handbook.
Miracle is powerful, but hey, you're going for tier 1 (or as close as you can get) here.
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2015-02-13, 09:52 AM (ISO 8601)
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2015-02-13, 10:25 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Wild Soul optimization help.
Yeah, those are conjuration and evocation spells to emulate. No need to take them as spells known (that's the great thing about the shadow spells).
As for what to take for spells known, shadow conjuration can only mimic summoning and creation spells. Take at least one Teleportation spell - Dimension Door, Teleport, Greater Teleport eventually. Planar Binding (and greater and lesser PB) as well as Gate are standards for hitting tier 1, since they can be used to call creatures with whatever ability is applicable to your needs.
As for enchantment, you want spells that offer at least one, all if possible, of the following.
- Not mind-affecting
- No save
- No SR
Ray of Stupidity, Ray of Dizziness, Heroism, Power Word Pain (though it might be less useful at your starting level), Otto's Irresistible Dance are all good choices.
You will definitely want at least some method of controlling others, be it charm person/monster, dominate person/monster (better), or geas.Last edited by prufock; 2015-02-13 at 10:25 AM.
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2015-02-13, 10:24 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Wild Soul optimization help.
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2015-02-16, 08:09 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Wild Soul optimization help.
Not much outside the general spellcaster feats. Rapid Metamagic at level 9 is a good one, unless you're taking the Metamagic Specialist ACF in place of your familiar. Then, of course, some metamagic feats to go with it.
Another suggestion for the last 5 levels of your build - the adaptation for Nightmare Spinner. The capstone of this 5-level prestige class grants you the ability to overcome immunity to mind-affecting abilities.