Bleach X: Deicide (this time for real)

[ben-zayb]

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Part of me gets the feeling that this was all planned ahead of time. Or more likely a contingency plan. And Hat & Clogs got caught flat footed for once.

It is. This chapter is basically the reveal of what the senior duo were up to, and the kamikake's purpose and the central46 trip were well speculated before.

[danzibr]

So the official english translation says that the Spirit King was created to stabilize the worlds...so yeah, that's interesting. Especially considering today's chapter.

Kubo do you even care anymore?

Iiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiinteresting. I really wonder about the Mimihagi thing. Maybe SK was ``made'' in a similar way, like how maybe now Ukitake is being made into a new SK.

But really, the Mimihagi thing is feeling more and more like an donkeypull. I'll have to reread the manga when this is all over and see how much I appreciate Kubo's ability to foreshadow.

[LaZodiac]

Iiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiinteresting. I really wonder about the Mimihagi thing. Maybe SK was ``made'' in a similar way, like how maybe now Ukitake is being made into a new SK.

But really, the Mimihagi thing is feeling more and more like an donkeypull. I'll have to reread the manga when this is all over and see how much I appreciate Kubo's ability to foreshadow.

The only thing I can really accept as foreshadowing is Ichigo's quincy powers and the mysteriousness of Old Man Getsu vs White Zangetsu. Everything else just seems incredibly poorly executed. We were lead to believe the entire time that Ukitake was sick because of his tuberculosis, but instead it's because a giant hand shaped god with an eyeball on it that's secretly the right arm of the Spirit King took his lungs and is slowly taking every other part of him...except his eyes.

And again Kubo keeps on forgetting Captain Eyepatch's eyepatch so I'm PRETTY sure he's just stopped caring. Unless it's some really stupid twist like "You need both eyes to see Aizen's release to be affected by it so I only wear my eyepatch in certain situations" and so on.

[danzibr]

The only thing I can really accept as foreshadowing is Ichigo's quincy powers and the mysteriousness of Old Man Getsu vs White Zangetsu. Everything else just seems incredibly poorly executed. We were lead to believe the entire time that Ukitake was sick because of his tuberculosis, but instead it's because a giant hand shaped god with an eyeball on it that's secretly the right arm of the Spirit King took his lungs and is slowly taking every other part of him...except his eyes.

And again Kubo keeps on forgetting Captain Eyepatch's eyepatch so I'm PRETTY sure he's just stopped caring. Unless it's some really stupid twist like "You need both eyes to see Aizen's release to be affected by it so I only wear my eyepatch in certain situations" and so on.

True, Ichigo being super hybrid was foreshadowed well, methinks.

And when was his eyepatch not drawn? Not saying you're wrong, but I checked the most recent chapter and he fer sher had it on.

In other news... even though we knew Aizen was going to come back, I'm excited about it. My two favorite characters about to join the fray :)

And I just realized that Kubo said we'd see everyone's bankai before the end. So... Ukitake can't go now.

[LaZodiac]

True, Ichigo being super hybrid was foreshadowed well, methinks.

And when was his eyepatch not drawn? Not saying you're wrong, but I checked the most recent chapter and he fer sher had it on.

In other news... even though we knew Aizen was going to come back, I'm excited about it. My two favorite characters about to join the fray :)

And I just realized that Kubo said we'd see everyone's bankai before the end. So... Ukitake can't go now.

The chapter before last, he had both eyes. I'd get some specific examples but I'm sleepy.

[Starwulf]

Can someone please link me to a site that has the newest(616) issue of Bleach? All the normal ones I'd visit seem to no longer carry, and even narutomanga.org does not have the newest one up. Getting on my nerves. At first I thought maybe it just hadn't been released, but then I come here, opened up a few of the spoilers, see something about Ukitake and other things and now I'm more annoyed then before >< So, please, for the love of god, link me a site someone! :)

[Mato]

I've been using mangapanda lately.

[Starwulf]

Thanks to those who sent me a link :) Oddly enough some of them still wouldn't work, no idea why, it's like my browser decided it didn't want to let them load. But one of them did work and I finally got to read this weeks issue ^^ Interesting stuff, especially

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The One-Eyed god stuff with Ukitake. Not sure exactly how it's going to work out, but it's interesting nonetheless. Hate that action was pulled away from Ichigo and the others though.

[Starwulf]

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Oooook, soo, it appears that they are freeing on crazy, evil insane megalomaniac, in order to fight another crazy, evil insane megalomaniac. Does anyone else feel that this is a momentously bad idea, or is it just me?

[HandofShadows]

I think we have hit the Godzilla Threshold.

[some_geek]

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Oooook, soo, it appears that they are freeing on crazy, evil insane megalomaniac, in order to fight another crazy, evil insane megalomaniac. Does anyone else feel that this is a momentously bad idea, or is it just me?

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If one of the crazy, evil insane megalomaniacs (Yuwa Bach) tries to destroy everything in existence and the other one (Aizen) is just trying to rule everything or whatever, maybe the chances for everyone would be better if the second one (Aizen) wins. Its kind of a desperate move, but in the case of Aizen winning, they might buy more time.

It is interesting to see the epic illusionist (Aizen) and epic divination specialist (Yuwa Bach) fighting, their powers might cancel each other out.

[LaZodiac]

Nothing about this makes any sense.

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Juha Bach can see the future of everything...except for guessing what Kubo will pull out of his ass to beat him. Aizen is apparently just a mouth, if unsealing his mouth apparently set him free like that. THAT BEING SAID, I do like the super elaborate bondage death seal they have on Aizen. I'd rather he be, you know, dead, but "literally sealed every last bit of him under seperate locks" is a pretty good way of assuring Aizen doesn't...like, get out of good behavior.

[Rater202]

Nothing about this makes any sense.

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Juha Bach can see the future of everything...except for guessing what Kubo will pull out of his ass to beat him. Aizen is apparently just a mouth, if unsealing his mouth apparently set him free like that. THAT BEING SAID, I do like the super elaborate bondage death seal they have on Aizen. I'd rather he be, you know, dead, but "literally sealed every last bit of him under seperate locks" is a pretty good way of assuring Aizen doesn't...like, get out of good behavior.

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If his fight with murder Monk is accurate, he needs to know about something to work the Almighty's powers uponit.

If he didn't know Ukitake had Eyeball Hand head in him, then he wouldn't have been able to forsee him sacrificing his life in exchange for hand head cyclops temporarily taking the Soul King's place.

As for Aizen, I figured it as as simple as Aizen's transcendental power being so great that as soon as part of him is unsealed, he can break some of the other seals himself.

Alternatively-it's an illusion. Cause he does those.

[LaZodiac]

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If his fight with murder Monk is accurate, he needs to know about something to work the Almighty's powers uponit.

If he didn't know Ukitake had Eyeball Hand head in him, then he wouldn't have been able to forsee him sacrificing his life in exchange for hand head cyclops temporarily taking the Soul King's place.

As for Aizen, I figured it as as simple as Aizen's transcendental power being so great that as soon as part of him is unsealed, he can break some of the other seals himself.

Alternatively-it's an illusion. Cause he does those.

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Raioh is Bach's Dad, I think he'd know if his Dad's arm fell off and and became a different God. But I get your point.

Aizen's completely sealed except for his mouth. He shouldn't be able to do anything but speak. But then he can apparently speak with his Reitsu so maybe he could make his illusions and stuff. Which...is really bad and stupid considering it's AIZEN.

[Rater202]

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Raioh is Bach's Dad, I think he'd know if his Dad's arm fell off and and became a different God. But I get your point.

Aizen's completely sealed except for his mouth. He shouldn't be able to do anything but speak. But then he can apparently speak with his Reiatsu so maybe he could make his illusions and stuff. Which...is really bad and stupid considering it's AIZEN.

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This assumes that Handclops is literally the Soul King's Right arm, and not his "Right hand man", so to speak.

And knowing of his existence does not mean he knows it, or it's powers, or that it was living in Ukitake's lungs.

If "The Almighty" only works on things Yhwach understands, then not knowing that Ukitake had handclaps, or not knowing what handclops powers were would mean he couldn't foresee handclops holding soul society together

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Aizen had some way of saying "No" to Yhwach's offer and doing that "perception of time" illusion to him, so even with his mouth locked up, he wasn't completely sealed.

If it's a seal network, removing one could have weakened the rest, allowing Aizen, who's power is literally godlike, to break the next few weakest seals on his own.

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I too found it odd Yhwach didn't see the big hand coming. I wonder if, as others speculated, it's due to him having to know about it/understand it.

Likewise, I wonder what's up with Aizen. Part of me gets the feeling he's so bamf he was able to break free (like Rand al'Thor in... I forget the exact book, when he's shielded and breaks free), or if Kyouraku is under his spell, so to speak.

Regardless, I'm happy about Aizen's return :)

EDIT: Also, 'dat picture.

[Lethologica]

So what I'm hearing is, Bach's power is total mastery over anything that has been given exposition in his presence. Given that this is Bleach, that should make him invincible.

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So what I'm hearing is, Bach's power is total mastery over anything that has been given exposition in his presence. Given that this is Bleach, that should make him invincible.

Given that Aizen power is generating powers per second, I'd say they are evenly matched.

[danzibr]

So what I'm hearing is, Bach's power is total mastery over anything that has been given exposition in his presence. Given that this is Bleach, that should make him invincible.

Given that Aizen power is generating powers per second, I'd say they are evenly matched.

Actually... I think it depends on what Lethologica's explanation means, exactly. If Aizen shows something false to him...

[LaZodiac]

Actually... I think it depends on what Lethologica's explanation means, exactly. If Aizen shows something false to him...

Why would he lie though? He's Aizen, beating someone who doesn't fully understand his power is BORING. It's what DUMB people do, like Gin.

*vomits*

I hate Aizen so much.

[Rater202]

Well here's hoping that my theory is right, and he's going to be fed to Ichigo in order to make Ichigo strong enough to kill Yhwach and/or take the Soul Kings place.

[ben-zayb]

I have no idea what Aizen did, but that wasn't how KS worked before.

Unless Aizen pulled a Danzou on Shunsui, which would imply that the capn commander is too stupid to live.

[Rater202]

KS disappeared.

Aizen said he didn't need the sword to use his powers anymore.

He was right.

We know this already, because he illusioned Yhwach.

[ben-zayb]

His sword not being needed doesn't necessarily mean it wasn't KS (or its bankai) though. For all we know, he could be in a state not unlike a permanent resurreccion--you have your abilities without the sword.

[Rater202]

...basically what I was trying to say.

remember, the Zanpakuto Spirit and the Zanpakuto sword are different things-the sword is just a tool the Shinigami bonds with in order to use the powers of the Spirit, and the spirit is literally just an aspect of themselves.

Aizen claimed he didn't need the sword because he didn't need to use the sword-he might well be able to use KS, which is his power, without a sword as a focus.

[ben-zayb]

Eh? Of course we already know that the sword and the spirit are different, so what's the point in saying KS (the spirit) disappeared when it doesn't seem to be the case. It appears that you are the one who confused KS for Aizen's asauchi, which is what disappeared.

Anyway, that's not even what I'm talking about earlier, which was how Aizen's type of illusion (KS), substitution/disguise of what one is sensing (e.g. mosquito looks like a dragon), isn't compatible to what Aizen did to Shunsui unless it's specifically akin to what happened to Danzou (in Naruto).

By the same logic, it's incompatible to the illusion he did to Bach unless Kubo actually realized that there are more than 5 senses, and "sense of time" is one of those that can be affected.

[Rater202]

I was specifically referring to KS the sword, not KS the Spirit.

Aizen no longer needs KS the sword to use his powers of illusion, as he has become one with KS the spirit.

Or at least that's what Aizen claimed.

[Ramza00]

So what do you want to bet that Mimihagi and Bach are literally the same kind of entity. A spawn off the original soul king who can give live but also take it away. Currently Mimihagi has power for Ukitake is giving up his life but without a host Mimihagi is not sustainable. Just like Bach must continuously give power and take away or else he goes blind. If Bach were to have any part of the soul king I guess it would be the soul kings eyes.

If so is Bach really the soul kings son or just a human who can manipulate the essence of the soul king he has come into contact like a fullbring?

[ben-zayb]

So what do you want to bet that Mimihagi and Bach are literally the same kind of entity. A spawn off the original soul king who can give live but also take it away. Currently Mimihagi has power for Ukitake is giving up his life but without a host Mimihagi is not sustainable. Just like Bach must continuously give power and take away or else he goes blind. If Bach were to have any part of the soul king I guess it would be the soul kings eyes.

If so is Bach really the soul kings son or just a human who can manipulate the essence of the soul king he has come into contact like a fullbring?

One of the prevalent speculation is that Mimihagi is literally the right hand of SK (not surprising if ever). It would make sense if the three other limbs are just, if not just a bit less, powerful. Bach could be the left hand, while the two others may be embedded in another person, is a person itself, locked or hidden somewhere, or placed in one of those fancy artifacts.

[Thrawn183]

KS disappeared.

Aizen said he didn't need the sword to use his powers anymore.

What makes you think Aizen hasn't had his sword all along?