The Index of the Giant's Comments IV - A Rich Source of Quotassium

[Ron Miel]

I don't think any of them are worth including.

However, his explanation about the color depth might be of interest to those interested in the technical details of website art.

[Emanick]

I agree that the Uncle quote is worth including. I found myself wondering about that, and I come from a background where using 'Aunt' or 'Uncle' figuratively is pretty common. I'm sure those who don't would be more confused than I was.

[Sniffnoy]

Thirden's accent, and some other minor stuff.

[littlebum2002]

I'm against all but the fourth; the first is self-evident in the comic, as is the second (at least, The Giant and I both think it is), the third has two components - "the guy has white hair," which I do not object to, and what basically amounts to, "assume anything that would solve the issues presented isn't happening or is too weak to have any effect," which I do object to because that or something similar can be said about basically every strip without authorial comment on.

Agreed, and even the 4th quote is barely important enough to make it in.

[Gwynfrid]

I would include the points about color depth, Thirden not being a biological uncle, and Thirden's accent. They're pretty minor, but we have added even more minute details than this before.

[Quild]

I'm against the inclusion of these four quotes.
The comic itself answers to all of them. Except maybe the cleric thing, but since it's not really "solid"...

The off-color thing isn't really important as well. Durkon seems more red than usual to me and Hoskin look greener than before and somehow sick.
I didn't notice anything else odd about colors.

Thirden looks tall, but that's not intended. We've seen him as a normal dwarf before and probably will see him again.

[factotum]

Thirden looks tall, but that's not intended. We've seen him as a normal dwarf before and probably will see him again.

Er, he looks tall because he's standing next to the child Durkon--it's entirely intended for their relative sizes to be as they are in this comic. (And yes, apparently dwarf children develop beards considerably earlier than human ones do!).

[Keltest]

Er, he looks tall because he's standing next to the child Durkon--it's entirely intended for their relative sizes to be as they are in this comic. (And yes, apparently dwarf children develop beards considerably earlier than human ones do!).

Thirden is also a fair bit taller than Hoskin, the other dwarf who left at the beginning of the comic. Compare Durkon's height with Hoskin in the beginning and Thirden's height in the end, and there appears to be a significant difference that would not be caused by the slightly different positions between the two panels.

[Quild]

Er, he looks tall because he's standing next to the child Durkon--it's entirely intended for their relative sizes to be as they are in this comic. (And yes, apparently dwarf children develop beards considerably earlier than human ones do!).

I don't think that's it.

Hoskin is roughly the same size than Sidgi (panel 5) and so look Thirden.
Durkon is barely smaller than his mother (panel 7)

Thirden looks tall, that's all.

[D.One]

(And yes, apparently dwarf children develop beards considerably earlier than human ones do!).

I wouldn't be so sure of that. What's durkon age at the moment of that talk? I'm just saying this because, as per PHB, dwarves reach adulthood at 40, so maybe "kid Durkon" is already close to his 20's.

[Quild]

I wouldn't be so sure of that. What's durkon age at the moment of that talk? I'm just saying this because, as per PHB, dwarves reach adulthood at 40, so maybe "kid Durkon" is already close to his 20's.

Durkon was roughly 35 when kicked out of Dwarven Lands (17 years ago in Origin of PCs and he's 55 while entering Bleedingham. He hasn't changed much between OtOoPCs and #991 (except for vampirism and art upgrade) but we've seen:
- Really Young Durkon with hair on his chin (#947).
- Kid Durkon with a goatee (#962).
- Amish Young Durkon with a neck beard (#983).
- Student Durkon with a real beard and losing hair (#954).

I don't think that Durkon in 962 could be 15 and that every other stage occurs in the following 15 years.

[Gwynfrid]

Isn't this off-topic? Unless I missed something, we have no quote discussing the height of any of the dwarves.

[Jasdoif]

Isn't this off-topic? Unless I missed something, we have no quote discussing the height of any of the dwarves.

I don't think it's you missing anything, really; I certainly don't see a proposal for the related quote.

[D.One]

I don't think it's you missing anything, really; I certainly don't see a proposal for the related quote.

I support the inclusion of this quote. One strip, and theories raged about a half-human dwarf...

[Jasdoif]

...OK. Before anyone (else) gets any (more) ideas that I'm a victim of overexposure to ripening enzymes....

---

I'm against inclusion of the quote about Elan on the Star Trek wallpaper (because as Gwynfrid pointed out, it has no bearing on the comic) and the quote about Thirden's height (seriously, what even brought that on in the first place?). Since they were shaky on support before, and the last expression of support (of any variety) was made almost two weeks ago....They're below the threshold to be included.

---

Which means we have seven new quotes (across six entries) in the include-without-vote range for the next update cycle. Normally I'd just include them, but since I've been slipping behind and this is the first time anyone's seen my proposals for the titles and descriptions....If anyone has any alterations to propose, or has any last minute statements of (dis)approval on them, now's the time:

About Thirden He made an effort to improve his diction over the years, and "Squeaky" is a nickname about his singing voice. Also, he's not Durkon's biological uncle.	#991	06/22/2015
Colorization of #991 "...I had to save it at a lower color depth...."	#991	06/22/2015
On Veldrina Representing the Western and Elven Churches "...she's an elf, and the elves don't worship the Northern Gods."	#990	06/15/2015
The New Typeface in the Latest Comics "Wildwords Lowercase from Comicraft."	#990	06/12/2015
On Character Agency and Character Death "It's really just about stories holding together and one thing leading to another."	#981	05/01/2015
On The Crayons of Time Drawings "It's real crayon."	#273	01/30/2006

---

I realize there's still some alteration of existing entries to address (the cameo entry, the categorization of the Martin entry and the inclusion of the older Pratchett entry), but...let's take care of the additions first; it'll be harder for me to catch up if I insist on handling everything at once, and I'm reasonably certain the addition of new quotes holds more interest than maintenance on existing quotes.

[Quild]

I may have included Thirden's height since I found him tall in #991, but I guess more appearances will show him normal.
Regarding proposed quotes, I'm against most.

First one is ok, since it's about several different things, why not.
Colorization? Did anyone even made mention of what was odd-colored?
I'm not sure Giant answered the question in Veldrina's quote, or I don't get it. Real question would be "why isn't anyone from a bigger deity representating these churches?"
Is the font really interesting?
The one about character's death is welcome.
The use of crayons is already mentionned in twitter's Q&As: https://twitter.com/RichBurlew/statu...43833691287553

In short:
YES
NO
NO
NO
YES
NO

[Emanick]

I may have included Thirden's height since I found him tall in #991, but I guess more appearances will show him normal.
Regarding proposed quotes, I'm against most.

First one is ok, since it's about several different things, why not.
Colorization? Did anyone even made mention of what was odd-colored?
I'm not sure Giant answered the question in Veldrina's quote, or I don't get it. Real question would be "why isn't anyone from a bigger deity representating these churches?"
Is the fond really interesting?
The one about character's death is welcome.
The use of crayons is already mentionned in twitter's Q&As: https://twitter.com/RichBurlew/statu...43833691287553

In short:
YES
NO
NO
NO
YES
NO

I agree with most of this, although I would say yes to the third and fourth quotes as well. People have asked about fonts before, and as someone else mentioned earlier, some people are really into that kind of thing, especially other aspiring webcomic-makers. I couldn't care much less about fonts myself, but I think it should stay in. I also think there's enough solid content in the third quote - mostly about why The Giant made the artistic and storytelling decisions that he did - that it should go in.

The last one is a pretty clear example of redundancy, though (seriously impressive catch there). And yeah, a quote about one comic's colorization being a teeny weeny bit off - which, as you noted, literally nobody seems to have commented on - seems about as petty and dull as you can get. I oppose the inclusion of both of those.

[Gwynfrid]

I may have included Thirden's height since I found him tall in #991, but I guess more appearances will show him normal.
Regarding proposed quotes, I'm against most.

First one is ok, since it's about several different things, why not.
Colorization? Did anyone even made mention of what was odd-colored?
I'm not sure Giant answered the question in Veldrina's quote, or I don't get it. Real question would be "why isn't anyone from a bigger deity representating these churches?"
Is the font really interesting?
The one about character's death is welcome.
The use of crayons is already mentionned in twitter's Q&As: https://twitter.com/RichBurlew/statu...43833691287553

Good catch on the redundancy. I'm a little bit on the fence, since it isn't indexed, so I wouldn't have been able to find it myself. On the other hand, I could always ask the question on the forum and I bet someone would answer it within the next 15 minutes. Let's use the redundancy rule.

On colorization, well, it mattered enough to the Giant himself that he posted it before anybody could ask. On the font, and on the "is it interesting enough" criterion generally: "Interesting" has always been viewed as a very, very low bar here. This is because "interesting" is very much in the eye of the famous monster covered by some company's intellectual property rights. In other words: These details matter to a portion of the audience, we should include them.

In short: Yes to the first 5, No to the crayon one.

[theangelJean]

On colorization, well, it mattered enough to the Giant himself that he posted it before anybody could ask.

Given how minutely people have examined the colours of elements of the comic in the past, I have to wonder if the Giant posted this to pre-empt such discussion.

Then again this quote is probably of interest to precisely those people.

[Ron Miel]

On Character Agency and Character Death
"It's really just about stories holding together and one thing leading to another."


In favour of including this, but not as a separate entry, it should be a "see also" to the existing entry for character death.
something like this:

On Choices and Character Deaths
"Character deaths are a function of that character's traits, not random. Their deaths flow logically from their flaws." But don't read too much into it.

[Lissou]

For me,

YES
NO
NO
YES
YES
NO

[Grey_Wolf_c]

No across the board

GW

[littlebum2002]

I'm sure there's a reason why the tweets aren't indexed, but..what is it? Because the comment about the crayons isn't indexed yet, I say include it.

[Gray Mage]

I only vote yes for the death and agency one, the others are no for me.

[Jaxzan Proditor]

I'm not really in favor of two and five; one I feel doesn't offer much information of value, The other is already recorded in the transcript. I thought we had a quote on the font already, but I guess not?

[Gwynfrid]

I'm sure there's a reason why the tweets aren't indexed, but..what is it? Because the comment about the crayons isn't indexed yet, I say include it.

Because no one offered to do the work. Also, many of the quotes in the Twitter Q&A are just witty non-answers.

[ti'esar]

Voting yes to the inclusion of all of the proposed quotes except the crayon one, which is demonstrably redundant.

I also agree with Ron Miel that the quote about character agency and death should be added to the existing quote as a "see also".

[Ron Miel]

Voting yes to the inclusion of all of the proposed quotes except the crayon one, which is demonstrably redundant.

It's true we don't need both, but IMHO the forum quote is better than the Twitter one. I think it's the forum one that should be kept.

[unbeliever536]

I vote yes on the first and third, "see also" on the fifth, no on the second and fourth, and I'm abstaining on the last. For clarity:

YES
NO
YES
NO
SEE ALSO (or YES if this has inadequate support)
ABSTENTION.

[Gwynfrid]

Looks like the thread is now trending towards exclusion, that's interesting. It used to be the other way around, just a few months ago.

.... Wait. Our Revered Banana has NOT called a vote. There's a whole procedure for that. This was just a final call for comments.

@martianmister: You posted the same thing twice. Funny, the forum usually rejects duplicates?