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    Default Re: OotS Overanalysis - has the forum gone too far?

    I'd say that there is a huge difference between analysing and searching for mistakes.

    If we let aside those who are specifically searching for mistakes either in order to make a point that OOTS sucks (are there many of these?) or because they find it fun, you can still find mistakes while analysing. If you're going to far or not depends of how you react at this. I guess.


    Analysing something is more done by fanbase than haters. It shows interest for what is analysed. Which can be the story, the use of rules, the art or author's intent, etc...

    You can analyse the comic without considering it too seriously while you can consider very seriously some things that don't need analyse to be obvious(ly wrong) to you.
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    Default Re: OotS Overanalysis - has the forum gone too far?

    Also, for anyone who thinks the overanalysis has gone too far, I'd suggest going to the OOTS board, sort by start date descending, from the beginning, page, I dunno, 151. This place is really calmer than it used to be.
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    On a side note, I'm sure that Mr. Burlew doesn't mind the overanalysis most of the time. It keeps people's interest levels high in between comics.
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    Through the years that have no name,
    And the late notes soar to a higher range,
    But the theme is still the same.
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    Blend in with the old, old rhyme
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    Default Re: OotS Overanalysis - has the forum gone too far?

    So meta, this thread.

    Anyways, hasn't Rich stated several times that he doesn't actually read the forum, and much less post in it, except for important clarifications and to defuse pointlessly ugly disputes?
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    Quote Originally Posted by theasl View Post
    So meta, this thread.

    Anyways, hasn't Rich stated several times that he doesn't actually read the forum, and much less post in it, except for important clarifications and to defuse pointlessly ugly disputes?
    I believe he has said that he takes very little feedback from the forums in the grand scheme of things.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Keltest View Post
    I believe he has said that he takes very little feedback from the forums in the grand scheme of things.
    What Keltest said. In fact, I'd be surprised if Rich doesn't read every post in this subforum. He's probably reading this right now!
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    Quote Originally Posted by rakoa View Post
    what keltest said. In fact, i'd be surprised if rich doesn't read every post in this subforum. He's probably reading this right now!
    Are you saying Rich can travel through time?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Emperordaniel View Post
    Are you saying Rich can travel through time?
    We know too much.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Flickerdart View Post
    The Half-Hamster template gives me advantageous size and ability score bonuses, and combos well with my inherited Elderberry Radiance (Ex). Which is more than I can say for you, you class-dipping CL-losing Evoker!
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    If instead of 'overanalysis' you called it 'overAWESOMENESS' would it still sound so bad??
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    Well, since there's apparently still some question about it, then answer is obviously "no".

    I mean, if the forum had really gone too far in its overanalysis it'd be a statement, not a question, right?

    Or so my analysis tells me. Maybe we should form a committee to analyze the analysis of the over-analysis finding analysis.
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    Since "too far" is defined by Rich, and we're all still here, I'd say we're good.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Flickerdart View Post
    The Half-Hamster template gives me advantageous size and ability score bonuses, and combos well with my inherited Elderberry Radiance (Ex). Which is more than I can say for you, you class-dipping CL-losing Evoker!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Crusher View Post
    Well, since there's apparently still some question about it, then answer is obviously "no".

    I mean, if the forum had really gone too far in its overanalysis it'd be a statement, not a question, right?

    Or so my analysis tells me. Maybe we should form a committee to analyze the analysis of the over-analysis finding analysis.
    But there needs to be some oversight! We should have another committee analyse the first one to make sure that it doesn't overanalyse the analysis of the overanalysis analysis!

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    Quote Originally Posted by theasl View Post
    But there needs to be some oversight! We should have another committee analyse the first one to make sure that it doesn't overanalyse the analysis of the overanalysis analysis!
    So weekly meetings for the analysis committee (with alternating head members of course)
    And biweekly for the oversight committee to ratify the desisions.
    Sound good?

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    No. We need to analyze this option before we adopt it.

    Should we discuss it further over some ice cream?

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    Quote Originally Posted by goodpeople25 View Post
    So weekly meetings for the analysis committee (with alternating head members of course)
    And biweekly for the oversight committee to ratify the desisions.
    Sound good?
    You forgot the monthly elections for the oversight committee, and all the political analysis of the various competing playgrounders that takes place then.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Emperordaniel View Post
    You forgot the monthly elections for the oversight committee, and all the political analysis of the various competing playgrounders that takes place then.
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    Quote Originally Posted by goodpeople25 View Post
    Which watery tart threw a sword at you and made you King?
    I told you, we're an Anarcho-Syndicalist Commune!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Emperordaniel View Post
    I told you, we're an Anarcho-Syndicalist Commune!
    Shut up! Will you shut up!

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    Quote Originally Posted by goodpeople25 View Post
    Shut up! Will you shut up!
    Ah, now we see the violence inherent in the system! Look, I'm being repressed!
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    I don't think so. There is almost no criticism toward Rich Burlew.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jaxzan Proditor View Post
    Ah, now we see the violence inherent in the system! Look, I'm being oppressed!
    Bloody Peasant!


    Also i think it's repressed not oppressed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by goodpeople25 View Post
    Bloody Peasant!


    Also i think it's repressed not oppressed.
    Why, so it is.

    Ahem, I mean, ooh, what a giveaway! That's what I'm on about! You saw that, didn't you?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Rogar Demonblud View Post
    No. We need to analyze this option before we adopt it.

    Should we discuss it further over some ice cream?
    Certainly. I can say with a 52.33% (repeating, obviously) chance that we should go with Rocky Road Ice Cream. I've gone over all the variables and its clearly the superior choice from every possible metric. Except... DAMMIT, its bounded so its not a normal distribution, its a Poisson distribution! %(*&#(*&#%

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jaxzan Proditor View Post
    Why, so it is.

    Ahem, I mean, ooh, what a giveaway! That's what I'm on about! You saw that, didn't you?
    I get it mixed up with all Oppressed all the time so don't worry, want to go out for some spam I'm in the mood for some; spam, sausage, spam, spam, bacon, spam, tomato, and spam.

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    This thread has gotten entirely too silly.
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    There is nothing more emblematic of this forum than three or four pages of debate between people who, as it turns out, pretty much agree with each other.


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    Quote Originally Posted by ti'esar View Post
    This thread has gotten entirely too silly.
    Give us some time to analyze this comment first before making absolute comments.
    You might not expect the answer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Emperordaniel View Post
    Come on, that call was just a deus ex machina...
    Okay, so maybe our analysis is not morally justified.
    But is the schedule by which we update our analysis morally justified? Is Haley's celestial parent morally justified in mating with Haley's human parent?

    Anyways, I don't think we've analyzed the comic too much.

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    First, I guarantee you that nothing that happens on this forum has any effect on the schedule of the comic. The three main factors that affect the comic update rate are 1.) the art, 2.) the other work I am juggling simultaneously (i.e. Kickstarter stuff, Gygax Magazine comics, merch preparation), and 3.) my health. None of those factors are in any way based on what anyone here posts. Most of the time, I can predict the three or four most likely complaints ahead of time and either head them off in the writing phase or else just decide that I don't care. Either way, the time spent is negligible.

    Second, everyone should realize that the entire population of this message board amounts to less than 10% of the comic's regular readership (while making up about 75% of the server costs), so if the day ever came where this message board actually was impeding me from finishing work, this message board would be shut down in pretty short order. I can't imagine that scenario coming to pass, but it is what it is. Conversely, therefore, the fact that the message board still exists should be taken as proof that it is not a problem for me.

    Third, I don't mind the analysis (or overanalysis) of the comic anymore because I simply have too many other things to worry about. People are going to say what they are going to say. Some of the things that they say will be insightful; most will be run-of-the-mill; others will be utterly insipid. I don't even read most of what is posted here. There was a time when I would get very angry about people guessing the exact plot before it came to pass, but even that doesn't bother me anymore, simply because there are so many guesses that someone was bound to stumble upon the right answer some of the time.

    If anything, I think too much analysis may sometimes ruin the comic for you, the readers of the forum—especially when someone accurately guesses what is going to happen. But that's your problem, not mine.
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    Let's analysis this!
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    As a fan of analysis and overanalysis, I don't find it ruins pleasure. On the contrary. "A Song of Ice and Fire" is a huge support for wild theories and some of them were most interesting than what they turned out to be.
    I consider that any theory that turns out to be wrong is somehow a "fan fiction" and thus bonus stuff. "Varys the Merling" is certainly not a right guess even if it's well built, but man, it's fun.

    Sometimes a theory is the right one, but you won't know it's the right one before it becomes concrete. I don't think it spoils because you have expectations and therefore it creates some climax. It takes to me the same role than music in a movie. Movie director will often use music to create some tension before something happens instead of having it happening totally by surprise and getting the spectator unprepared. It depends of course if the purpose is to build tension or to have the spectator jump.

    I would also put "prophecies". Why would an author put some prophecy in his story if not to build tension/expectations (except to have a lame self-realization)?

    Knowing that Belkar would "draw his last breath ever" at some point put upon him a kind of Sword of Damocles and I don't think the whole part where he had a CON drain would have been the same if we had no reason to be afraid for him.
    Thus, I consider that someone who totally forgot the prophecy is the one that had this part of the story slightly ruined.

    Thus, I consider that someone who has no theory gets less from the comic (or a TV show or a book) than someone who has.


    To conclude, I'd say that the fact that overanalysis allowed the right guess should be taken proudly by the author who managed to build a story that works rather than having audience complaining about some "Deus Ex Machina".
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    Quote Originally Posted by goodpeople25 View Post
    I get it mixed up with all Oppressed all the time so don't worry, want to go out for some spam I'm in the mood for some; spam, sausage, spam, spam, bacon, spam, tomato, and spam.
    Ugh. Can we get something without spam in it?


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