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Re: [Dreamscarred Press] Path of War: Expanded! (Discussion Thread III)
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I really like the Monk of the Silver Hand, my GM is stooked that I plan on using his Scorpion Cestus, Gauntlets that can fire grappling hooks.
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Re: [Dreamscarred Press] Path of War: Expanded! (Discussion Thread III)
Oh, an EWP trait would be nice, but traits are supposed to be worth less than a feat, so it'd almost have to have a restriction of some kind. The trick is, therefore, finding an appropriate drawback or restriction that makes it still worth taking.
Actually... "Select one exotic weapon. You treat it as a martial weapon" could probably work as a trait. I mean, certain racial weapon proficiencies work that way, so it's not like "treat it as martial" is a new concept or anything. Or is this still too powerful for a trait?
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Re: [Dreamscarred Press] Path of War: Expanded! (Discussion Thread III)
EWP as a trait is something I would very much like to see. Of course due to the whole less-than-a-feat thing it's gonna need a restriction, but said restriction should more or less be a non-issue. Like "Must be a discipline weapon for one of your available disciplines" or like you said "Treat as a martial weapon"
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Re: [Dreamscarred Press] Path of War: Expanded! (Discussion Thread III)
How about it lowers the penalty for not being proficient? -2 instead of -4? Maybe another trait for the other -2 and provoking AoO.
Then again, PF exotics suck and it wasn't really worth a feat in 3.5 most of the time, either.Last edited by Snowbluff; 2015-04-01 at 10:40 PM.
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Re: [Dreamscarred Press] Path of War: Expanded! (Discussion Thread III)
EWP is already worth less than a feat on its own, so it seems like it's a problem that solves itself
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Re: [Dreamscarred Press] Path of War: Expanded! (Discussion Thread III)
As of right now I can never see myself taking EWP as a feat. It's just absolutely never worth it mechanically, and even thematically it rarely ever adds anything to a build. As a trait though I could see myself taking it on occasion to get that niche weapon that would be cool to have but doesn't really add much to a build.
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Re: [Dreamscarred Press] Path of War: Expanded! (Discussion Thread III)
Exotic Weapon Proficiency was worth the feat in 3.5e due to the Spiked Chain, Meteor Hammer, Rope Dart, Minotaur Greathammer, Kaorti weapons, and in niche cases the heavy metal weapons.
Of those, the ones that exist in Pathfinder were heavily nerfed.
Anyone know any PF weapons worth the feat? <<Incredible avatar made by Ceika.
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Re: [Dreamscarred Press] Path of War: Expanded! (Discussion Thread III)
I really like the idea if EWP as a trait but it has been done before and errated away. That trait was Heirloom Weapon and I think that it has been nerfed multiple times into its current version. :/
But I can think of a couple sneaky ways to get access to a weapon you want but I am having trouble wording these traits correctly.
Adopted Protégé
You were raised by a martial arts master of a different race.
Benefit: Choose a race other than your own. You are treated as if you were from the chosen race for any racial weapon proficiencies. (Like if you chose Elf then you would gain their weapon familiarity with longbows (including composite longbows), longswords, rapiers, and shortbows (including composite shortbows), and treat any weapon with the word “elven” in its name as a martial weapon.)
Tengu are proficient with all bladed weapons. Just sayin'.
That was my better idea but I have another.
Master Weapon Smith
You know how to use the weapons you create.
Benefit: You are proficient with any masterwork weapon you craft yourself.
But this is probably a moot point. If they nerfed Heirloom Weapon so that you still need EWP then DSP may not want to do the same thing. I get depressed when I read the comments about Heirloom Weapon on the Paizo meassage boards. Some people don't want martials to have nice things.
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Why should martials get nice things when they can't even cast spells?
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Re: [Dreamscarred Press] Path of War: Expanded! (Discussion Thread III)
There actually already are a few traits that give weapon proficiency in Pathfinder. Shoanti Tattoo (earth breakers, klars, and Shoanti bolas.) and Varisian Tattoo (bladed scarves and starknives.) from Varisia, Birthplace of Legends and Hunter's Eye (Longbow+Shortbow) and Weapon Style (any monk weapon) from some PFS document (don't seem to be on the Archives of Nethys anymore, no idea).
Should be reasonable if you limited to a specific weapon that wasn't particularly good anyways.
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Treating an exotic weapon as martial seems like a fair trade to me. Not reducing the penalty for non proficient items, that already exists and it is very, very bad.
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Re: [Dreamscarred Press] Path of War: Expanded! (Discussion Thread III)
http://paizo.com/paizo/faq/v5748nruor1fz#v5748eaic9t4f
Change the text of weird words to the following “At 6th level the bard can start a performance that is always a standard action to speak up to one word per 4 bard levels laden with sonic energy. Each word deals 4d6 points of sonic damage as a ranged touch attack with a range of 30 feet. The bard adds his charisma modifier on damage rolls with weird words. Multiple words that strike the same target stack into a single powerful attack, applying energy resistance and bonuses on damage rolls only once. The bard can target all words at the same or different targets, but he unleashes all words simultaneously. Each word costs 1 round of bardic performance.” This change will be reflected in future errata.
You'd only apply the 2d6 from Stance of Arcane Steel once against a single target.
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Re: [Dreamscarred Press] Path of War: Expanded! (Discussion Thread III)
This was made before the errata was printed, because I wanted a chance to abuse it.
You'd only apply the 2d6 from Stance of Arcane Steel once against a single target.
Even then, your attacks scale quickly. At 8, you have 3. If you hit effective level 28 for the performance with aasimar, you would have seven. This build would only get 6, but 56d6+ Cha*12 is about enough to make a stegosaurus druid blush.Last edited by Snowbluff; 2015-04-02 at 08:04 AM.
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Re: [Dreamscarred Press] Path of War: Expanded! (Discussion Thread III)
Well, you also forgot about the FAQ that prevents you from getting a stat to damage more than once. So your gambit isn't really doing anything for you. However, that does mean you can go diving for a boost. Off the top of my head, from low level options, Strength of Hell is a 10% increase in accuracy for 1d6 extra damage.
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Re: [Dreamscarred Press] Path of War: Expanded! (Discussion Thread III)
Right... ugh, **** Paizo.
Yeah, I can grab a boost. Encouraging Roar is +2 attack and damage for a round, but it's also a moral bonus, so it can being extended by traits.
If you skip the Warlord level, you can get 7 hits from soundstriker for 70d6+Cha*7. Alternatively, you can use Pinhole gambit for more accuracy.Last edited by Snowbluff; 2015-04-02 at 08:36 AM.
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Re: [Dreamscarred Press] Path of War: Expanded! (Discussion Thread III)
Got a kinda weird question.
Can power attack be used in conjunction with maneuvers that replace an attack roll? For example, scarlet throne's Rising Zenith Strike, which uses a sense motive check in place of an attack.
If yes, does it modify the attack roll as normal, or, since the roll is not actually an attack roll, just equate to free damage on a hit?
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Re: [Dreamscarred Press] Path of War: Expanded! (Discussion Thread III)
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Re: [Dreamscarred Press] Path of War: Expanded! (Discussion Thread III)
Can you put out an official FAQ or errata for things like this? As written, there's nothing in the book that suggests that you can't power attack with Rising Zenith Strike (and RAW interpretations suggest that it could), so I'm guess a lot of us rate the maneuver more highly than it should be because we still think it's compatible with PA.
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Re: [Dreamscarred Press] Path of War: Expanded! (Discussion Thread III)
Okay, strictly speaking, I intended it to not work with Power Attack but nothing I've written forbids it. Let me amend my statement.
Again, we are putting together an official errata. The more errata work we do, the less time we're working on the new book unfortunately. Give us time and we'll get out an errata.
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Re: [Dreamscarred Press] Path of War: Expanded! (Discussion Thread III)
Perhaps open up another thread with WIP errata?
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Re: [Dreamscarred Press] Path of War: Expanded! (Discussion Thread III)
RAI, my intent was for skill check to attack maneuvers to not be compatible with Power Attack and the like because you weren't making an attack roll, strictly speaking, but a skill check. My fault for not expressly stating that. RAW, you're totally able to do so.
This is something we'll evaluate. Carry on as you have been.
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Re: [Dreamscarred Press] Path of War: Expanded! (Discussion Thread III)
Oh good! I thought it worked because 'he may add any enhancement bonus from his weapon or feats that apply from the use of his weapon to this Sense Motive check as well'
So we've been running that PA is a feat that applies so its was fine. It makes the damage NICE when it hits, but I've missed due to PA a few times as SM is, well SM.
and my god did they nerf the heck out of heirloom weapon! I've still got the book with the old copy, I think my group will be staying with that version, wow.