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    Default Re: Why was Sabine angry about Nale's death?

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    This world runs on the rules of Dungeons and Dragons, edition 3.5. Under those rules, resurrection without a corpse is technically possible but requires the very highest level of magic. More specifically, the very highest level of *cleric* magic. Redcloak is the only character in the entire comic that has access to that, and he's one of the prime movers and shakers of the entire world at this point. It is quite likely that no one else exists, at all, that matches Redcloak's cleric casting ability, and he would require rather a lot of convincing to get him to raise someone like Nale.
    I know True Resurrection can bring someone back without a body (or Miracle or some such to restore the body, plus a lesser form of resurrection), but has Redcloak (or anyone else for that matter) been shown to actually use it? I was of the mind that, since casting Disintegrate on a corpse you wish to stay dead was fairly common practice in higher level fights, it is possible that actual True Resurrection might not exist in this particular world--or it might be strictly reserved for gods and goddesses.

    Either way, the disintegration of the corpse makes Nale's death functionally permanent. Even if True Resurrection is documented in-world, it's unlikely it will ever be cast on Nale.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lonely Tylenol View Post
    I know True Resurrection can bring someone back without a body (or Miracle or some such to restore the body, plus a lesser form of resurrection), but has Redcloak (or anyone else for that matter) been shown to actually use it? I was of the mind that, since casting Disintegrate on a corpse you wish to stay dead was fairly common practice in higher level fights, it is possible that actual True Resurrection might not exist in this particular world--or it might be strictly reserved for gods and goddesses.

    Either way, the disintegration of the corpse makes Nale's death functionally permanent. Even if True Resurrection is documented in-world, it's unlikely it will ever be cast on Nale.
    I'm fairly positive Rich has said that True Resurrection doesn't exist in OOTS because it would make death too easy to come back from.
    Jokes about revolving doors aside, death in OOTS has so far been treated as a serious matter. How many people have been brought back to life so far? Roy, which took a LOT of time and effort, The Oracle, who saw it coming and planned accordingly, Durkon, who is locked in a struggle against an evil spirit, and Chrystal, who is an abomination who feels nothing but rage and pain.

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    I'm fairly positive Rich has said that True Resurrection doesn't exist in OOTS because it would make death too easy to come back from.
    Specifically, he said he hates it because it's a narrative-wrecking spell. Whether that translates into it outright not existing isn't as clear, since Haley and Belkar discussed the possibility when Roy's body was turned into a golem.

    As noted earlier, however, it's sort of a moot question since Redcloak is the only 17th-level cleric known to exist.
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    Default Re: Why was Sabine angry about Nale's death?

    The spell exists in OotS-world because characters have talked about it (as per ti'esar's Haley and Belkar link) in the comic, but it's unlikely to ever actually get used due to the narrative problems inherent in it being available. Maybe in an epilogue sequence as a finishing detail for how complete the "happily ever after" aspect of the ending is, I suppose, but even that is pushing it. If any character's death is to have a lasting impact (which might or might not be part of the story plan), and True Resurrection is available for any dead character, then there would need to be a reason for not applying it to the "dead and staying dead" character too.
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    Default Re: Why was Sabine angry about Nale's death?

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    Not wanting to be helped by someone you hate and resent is somehow incompatible with a Lawful alignment? That doesn't make any sense.
    No, arguing that would be silly. My point is that Nale's not just rejecting Tarquin - he's doing so while expressing a strong desire for independence and self-direction, and emphasizing that he got rid of Malack his way. Nale's hate of Tarquin probably does play a role, and the outcome would probably be the same if Nale actually was LE, but he'd be arguing differently.

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