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Thread: Longer duration SLAs?
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2015-04-20, 03:02 AM (ISO 8601)
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Longer duration SLAs?
Is there a way to increase the duration of spell-like abilities, whether gained through race or prestige classes? 24 hours or longer would be great. Is the same possible for supernatural abilities?
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2015-04-20, 03:22 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Longer duration SLAs?
Pretty sure Extend SLA is a feat you can take. It's not on the SRD like Empower and Quicken are, but I know Maximize is, so it would make sense for Extend, and maybe even Persist to be as well. Pretty sure Maximize is in Complete Arcane, if not then Complete Mage.
Outta curiosity, what SLAs are you trying to make last all day? Cause Warlock has quite a few 24hr SLA buffs...
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2015-04-20, 03:26 AM (ISO 8601)
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I want to have a water elemental from Lord of Tides (Sandstorm 70) with me all day.
I had another question about that class, too, and I guess I probably don't need to make a whole new thread for that. It says "You can summon either an elder elemental once per day or a Large elemental three times per day, which can have the water or fire subtype." Does this mean that only the large ones can be either fire or water, or that the elder ones can, too?I sneak in my own house, it's four in the morning.
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2015-04-20, 06:02 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Longer duration SLAs?
Pretty sure you're wrong, unless you're only talking Pathfinder. It's not in the Wizards of the Coast feat index, nor the DragonDex feat index.
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2015-04-20, 06:18 AM (ISO 8601)
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Yeah, both of those sites are blocked by my work. Like I said, I was only "pretty sure", and in this case, I was wrong. Sorry for giving false hope Herbert.
Also, if I were talking Pathfinder exclusive, I probably would have linked to www.d20pfsrd.com instead of the www.d20srd.org for Quicken and Empower.
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2015-04-20, 06:41 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Longer duration SLAs?
There's no feat for them, but every SLA metamagic feat follows the same pattern (except maximize which is 1 cheaper than it should be). The pattern is you can affect an SLA of spell level equal to (CL/2)-A, where A is the spell level adjustment of the metamagic feat. So Extend SLA would let you affect a 1st level spell at CL 4, a 2nd level spell at CL 6 etc. Persistent would affect a 1st level spell at CL 14, 2nd level at CL 16 and so on.
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2015-04-20, 01:24 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Longer duration SLAs?
I recommend you use Planar Ally or Leadership for this. The "summon elemental" class feature functions like summon monster, which lasts
minutesrounds/level, which will make stretching it to even 1 hour very difficult much less 24.
You can read that sentence either way (English is funny like that). I would say both flavors of elemental are available for both Large and Elder grades.Last edited by Psyren; 2015-04-20 at 06:43 PM.
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Re: Longer duration SLAs?
Don't the Sudden Metamagic feats work with SLAs? I know there's a Sudden extend, but I don't think there's a Sudden Persist.
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Re: Longer duration SLAs?
There's a special note in Complete Arcane (presumably intended for Warlocks):
Sudden Metamagic Feats: These metamagic feats don’t require modified spell slots, and so they work as well with spell-like abilities or invocations as they do with spells (though because spell-like abilities don’t have verbal or somatic components, Sudden Silent Spell doesn’t apply and Sudden Still Spell applies only to invocations).
Creatures with spell-like abilities at a high enough level will find sudden metamagic feats less useful than the dedicated feats Empower Spell-Like Ability and Quicken Spell-Like Ability (see page 303 of the Monster Manual), as well as the Maximize Spell-Like Ability feat introduced in this chapter.My winning competition entries: Kinvig Arrumskor | The Great Pumpkinhead | Wynfrith d'Acker
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Even if you do Sudden Extend the minion, 2 rounds/lvl is not going to have it stick around for any meaningful length of time. So again I must recommend Planar Ally for this.
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Why are you being so sassy? This is just a question, not a reality tv show.
Thank you, WeaselGuy. I appreciate the attempt.
It looks like planar ally is a 6th level spell, so I would get that at the same level I would have gotten the class feature (11), and the large water elemental only has 8 HD so it would work. Is there a way to increase the HD for planar ally other than using the high-level spell? A huge water elemental has 16 HD, which is just 4 more than the spell says it can do.
Ugh, grammar. I guess I'll just assume that it's both water and fire for both like you said, then. If it ends up being only water for one, that's okay too anyway. It just means I can't have a fire one for when my character is angry.
Planar Ally also has a gp cost, so it doesn't work very well for having a pet water elemental around all the time. Maybe there's a way to get one that doesn't have a cost (or a lower cost)? What would be really cool is to have a baby water elemental at first level, and then have it get bigger as I level up. With the planar ally spells, it would go like this, though, right?:
level 7, lesser planar ally: up to medium water elemental
level 11, planar ally: up to large water elemental
level 15, greater planar ally: up to huge water elemental
I guess since those are all such high level, I don't even know if I'll get those if we stop at level six or seven anyway. Is there a way to have something like:
level 1, (something): small (maybe tiny?) water elemental
level 3, (something): small water elemental
level 5, (something): medium water elemental
level 7, (something): medium/large water elemental?I sneak in my own house, it's four in the morning.
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2015-04-20, 07:59 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Longer duration SLAs?
Not exactly what the OP was after, but doesn't one of the reserve feats let you summon an elemental pretty much at will all day?
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2015-04-21, 12:35 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Longer duration SLAs?
Ah, thank you mister Thurbane! It looks like you're thinking of Summon Elemental from Complete Mage. The only downside is that I can't have my elemental at level one =(
The progression for this feat (for my own benefit to compare to the above ones):
level 7, Summon Elemental feat: small water elemental
level 11, Summon Elemental feat: medium water elemental
level 15, Summon Elemental feat: large water elemental
Unless there's a way to cast 4th or higher-leveled (c:summoning) spells at level one, I'll still have to wait until 7. It's free and all-day, though, so I might go with this.
Someone above mentioned leadership - could I get one as a cohort? If I did, would the CR or number of HD determine which one I can get?I sneak in my own house, it's four in the morning.
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2015-04-21, 05:51 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Longer duration SLAs?
You could also turn your familiar into an elemental... You'd have to choose, but it would definitely be with you indefinitely.
https://www.wizards.com/dnd/article....sb/sb20011109a
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Re: Longer duration SLAs?
Due to the fact that...
"Usually, a spell-like ability works just like the spell of that name... Spell-like abilities cannot be used to counterspell, nor can they be counterspelled. In all other ways, a spell-like ability functions just like a spell"
That would imply that Divine Metamagic: Persist would work, or something else which allows you to persist something without changing the spell level.
If you're a god, then Automatic Metamagic: Persist would also work. Just saying.
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2015-04-21, 04:50 PM (ISO 8601)
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The note in question implies that any metamagic that doesn't change the spell level can be applied to SLAs. This is DM dependant, though, but it DOES mean with Divine Metamagic or other ways to reduce a spell's metamagic cost to 0, you could apply any metamagic feat to any SLA. So the trick is getting the cost of Persist to 0.
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This is a great idea! I probably can't get it at first level, but if I'm able to pay the xp cost, then it's only 5*30gp = 150 gp to get someone to cast it for me, or 375+xp cost (2.5k?) for a scroll. Halfway through level 1 I should be able to afford this, thank you!
Isn't there a metamagic that gives me the spell back later, echoing spell or something? That probably costs more than +0 as well. What would happen if I Energy Substituted this SLA? Could I change my [water] elemental into a [fire] elemental? Because the descriptor of the spell determines what sorts of things you can summon with it, right? Or, I could use Innate Spell to get three more daily uses! With the higher-leveled one that says I can use it three times a day, could I then use it 9 times a day?
Isn't there a big section with a bunch of rules on just SLAs that would say? Maybe in the Rules Compendium?I sneak in my own house, it's four in the morning.
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