Barbarian rage extra hit points

[ZamielVanWeber]

9 HP for a free 9th-level spell? You may need to revisit the math on this one

Try squaring it? Even then that doesn't stop people from using weak heals to generate more 7+ level spells.

[ericgrau]

I think in general allowing back liners to convert something they need less into something they need more could be a bad idea. It's not terrible because you are only replenishing something you already had 2-3 of anyway. It does still mean "Go nova, I'll just heal back your 9th level spells after the fight."

[bjoern]

9 HP for a free 9th-level spell? You may need to revisit the math on this one

IKR. it would be on par with how powerful necropotence is.
I still smile when people read that card and say.
"Pfft, life for cards? Thats dumb . who would use that?"

This guy.
Turn1 I pay half my life and have over twice as many cards as you. Good luck.

[ericgrau]

Except in MtG you can use certain cards to generate immediate mana, and more mana during the same turn means more powerful spells. So necropotence is more like trading HP to be able to cast a higher level spell than you normally could. Anyway it's super broken.

[Killer Angel]

IKR. it would be on par with how powerful necropotence is.
I still smile when people read that card and say.
"Pfft, life for cards? Thats dumb . who would use that?"

This guy.
Turn1 I pay half my life and have over twice as many cards as you. Good luck.

When Necropotence came out for the first time (Ice Age?) NO ONE saw its potential. It was ranked very low, and Jester's cap was top tier.
After few months, things changed...
(basically: the real power it's not always immediately obvious)

[RolkFlameraven]

I've seen one barb at my table who is down to his rage HP at the end of a good third of his fights back in 3.5. And as we got higher in level those rage HP where more then enough to be the difference between having a living damage dealing party member and a dead body. That said I wish they had been temp before unchained made them so.

Still, unchained is odd. Rage is a flat +2 to damage now, so PA is weaker but off hand weapons or secondary natural attacks get a boost. Not sure how I feel about that yet as no one has played a Barb in PF yet at my table.

[bjoern]

When Necropotence came out for the first time (Ice Age?) NO ONE saw its potential. It was ranked very low, and Jester's cap was top tier.
After few months, things changed...
(basically: the real power it's not always immediately obvious)

Yeah, ice age. The first time I saw it (like 11 years old) I thought it was junk. Then it kicked my butt a few times. That was when I made the realization that anything that gives lots of free cards (or spells in d&d) is almost always worth the cost, no matter how high the cost may be.