Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D IV: Oh, the Inhumanity!

[Flickerdart]

And of course you know what they say about Hydra and their heads. A theory my Dad had (jokingly) is that Ward will revive it.

Ward doesn't strike me as someone that can lead. He's got 33 wrapped around his finger, but he's essentially doing everything he's doing right now for her benefit. Of all the things Ward has done on his own, just one (sorting out his family issues) was doing something for himself, and none have been to further an agenda.

[3SecondCultist]

They got List while saving Lincoln and Deathlock.

Actually no, they didn't. The say in "Dirty Half Dozen" that List escaped on one of the Hydra planes (which is also I assume how Ward got out of there by himself). He's actually talking to Strucker in the Age of Ultron opening, in Sokovia. I assume the Avengers either took him prisoner, he died in the assault, or he escaped. So same thing really, he would just be under Hill's jurisdiction or something instead of Coulson's.

Also yeah, I had the same theory re: Ward. But I also like the idea of him becoming the Taskmaster, a kind of wild card anti-hero / anti-villain type character. It fits his arc really well, as someone whose loyalties are always in question.

[Joran]

DO the Inhumans have a single leader? 'The Elders' has been referenced a few times by Gordon and Lincoln, (I seem to recall Gordon telling Cal he had to go consult with the elders, before Jiaying showed up). I was kind of under the impression that the Inhumans as a group were led by a council of Elders that made major decisions, and that Jiaying was just a senior member/spokesman for the council who handled smaller matters by herself. I kind of got the impression Gordon may have been a junior member of the council as well.

I wonder if Jiaying is intentionally trying to sacrifice her little sect for the greater good. When Lincoln gets captured, he knows he's supposed to be left behind. If Jiaying's group gets wiped out, maybe SHIELD stops looking for other Inhumans.

[LaZodiac]

Also yeah, I had the same theory re: Ward. But I also like the idea of him becoming the Taskmaster, a kind of wild card anti-hero / anti-villain type character. It fits his arc really well, as someone whose loyalties are always in question.

The only reason I don't like this is because Taskmaster is supposed to be a cool guy. And **** Ward, he's not worthy to be Taskmaster.

[Orrmundur]

I wonder if Jiaying is intentionally trying to sacrifice her little sect for the greater good. When Lincoln gets captured, he knows he's supposed to be left behind. If Jiaying's group gets wiped out, maybe SHIELD stops looking for other Inhumans.

This. I sincerely doubt that Afterlife is the only Inhuman sanctuary in existence. I have to imagine that, at the very least, there's also some sort of permanent residence for Inhumans who can't pass for mundies. Something like The Farm in Fables. Attilan is also fairly likely a factor in some way or form unless the Inhumans on the show are some sort of splinter group, which is a possibility as they refer to Gordon as their first (and only?) teleporter. So either they don't know about Lockjaw or, heaven forbid, the most adorable Inhuman of all (and leader of the Pet Avengers!) doesn't exist in the MCU.

[Olinser]

This. I sincerely doubt that Afterlife is the only Inhuman sanctuary in existence. I have to imagine that, at the very least, there's also some sort of permanent residence for Inhumans who can't pass for mundies. Something like The Farm in Fables. Attilan is also fairly likely a factor in some way or form unless the Inhumans on the show are some sort of splinter group, which is a possibility as they refer to Gordon as their first (and only?) teleporter. So either they don't know about Lockjaw or, heaven forbid, the most adorable Inhuman of all (and leader of the Pet Avengers!) doesn't exist in the MCU.

Gordon appears to be a stand-in for Lockjaw, both in his powers - they both have teleportation, they can sense when Inhumans are in need, and at least some degree of super strength - and in their jobs - serving as guardian/escort of the Inhumans.

[Dusk Eclipse]

Just posting to mark the thread, nothing to see here, move along.

[3SecondCultist]

The only reason I don't like this is because Taskmaster is supposed to be a cool guy. And **** Ward, he's not worthy to be Taskmaster.

Yeah... I mean, I actually like Ward as a character. For all the horrible things he's done, I somehow still manage to root for the guy for some reason. It doesn't make sense, but I tend to cheer on the villains more anyway. Who knows what will happen to him, though? Or what he'll do next? I've loved him this season because he's so unpredictable, and the writers are smart to use him sparingly as they have done. Maybe he'll just be his own thing, I'd be fine with that too.

This. I sincerely doubt that Afterlife is the only Inhuman sanctuary in existence. I have to imagine that, at the very least, there's also some sort of permanent residence for Inhumans who can't pass for mundies. Something like The Farm in Fables. Attilan is also fairly likely a factor in some way or form unless the Inhumans on the show are some sort of splinter group, which is a possibility as they refer to Gordon as their first (and only?) teleporter. So either they don't know about Lockjaw or, heaven forbid, the most adorable Inhuman of all (and leader of the Pet Avengers!) doesn't exist in the MCU.

The problem with this is that the show seems to imply that there aren't any other enclaves. First of all, Lincoln himself says that after he had adjusted to his powers, he was re-integrated back into society after that. As a 'transitioner', he comes back to Afterlife every once in a while to help new Inhumans, which means he lives most of his life elsewhere. I think I remember him saying he was from somewhere in the States. And secondly, when Raina asks to leave Afterlife, Gordon tells her he can take her to a bunch of deserted places, but that he can't take her back to society at large yet. If there were a second place for Inhumans, one where physical transformations were embraced, wouldn't he have suggested that already?

[comicshorse]

The problem with this is that the show seems to imply that there aren't any other enclaves. First of all, Lincoln himself says that after he had adjusted to his powers, he was re-integrated back into society after that. As a 'transitioner', he comes back to Afterlife every once in a while to help new Inhumans, which means he lives most of his life elsewhere. I think I remember him saying he was from somewhere in the States. And secondly, when Raina asks to leave Afterlife, Gordon tells her he can take her to a bunch of deserted places, but that he can't take her back to society at large yet. If there were a second place for Inhumans, one where physical transformations were embraced, wouldn't he have suggested that already?

If the Inhuman's are operating in a cell structure for security then the other Inhuman places will have been deliberately kept from everybody ( except possibly Jiaying). That way if Afterlife is discovered they can't give away the other groups, no matter what

[LaZodiac]

Yeah... I mean, I actually like Ward as a character. For all the horrible things he's done, I somehow still manage to root for the guy for some reason. It doesn't make sense, but I tend to cheer on the villains more anyway. Who knows what will happen to him, though? Or what he'll do next? I've loved him this season because he's so unpredictable, and the writers are smart to use him sparingly as they have done. Maybe he'll just be his own thing, I'd be fine with that too.

Well what I mean is that I hate him in the NICEST WAY POSSIBLE. He is such a good character and acted so great. The only thing stopping him from being the Taskmaster in my eyes is that...honestly I think the Taskmaster should be more of a good guy then Ward is. That said, in a vacuum, if they told us that Ward would become The Taskmaster...I could certainly see it. But I think it'll be better for him to just stay Grant Ward.

[3SecondCultist]

If the Inhuman's are operating in a cell structure for security then the other Inhuman places will have been deliberately kept from everybody ( except possibly Jiaying). That way if Afterlife is discovered they can't give away the other groups, no matter what

Mayyyyybe. We've definitely gotten the message that Afterlife itself was supposed to be tip-top-secret, as only Gordon (and presumably Jiaying) knows where it is at all. I assume some of the Elders might, but again we haven't met them yet, so who knows? My money is on other Inhumans being out there for certain, and I won't knock the possibility of a Farm or somesuch, but I'm guessing none of them are as important / well established as Afterlife is.

Well what I mean is that I hate him in the NICEST WAY POSSIBLE. He is such a good character and acted so great. The only thing stopping him from being the Taskmaster in my eyes is that...honestly I think the Taskmaster should be more of a good guy then Ward is. That said, in a vacuum, if they told us that Ward would become The Taskmaster...I could certainly see it. But I think it'll be better for him to just stay Grant Ward.

Ultimately, I think I do agree with you. But comic adaptations of characters are just so cool, and I love to watch these characters' transformations. Skye being Daisy Johnson was a really cool way to take the character, and it ties her arc to the show's in a way that has improved this season incredibly. I'm not super sold on Chloe Bennet's acting, but that's a whole other thing. Brett Dalton knocks his scenes out of the park, which is one of the main reasons I still like Ward.

[LaZodiac]

Ultimately, I think I do agree with you. But comic adaptations of characters are just so cool, and I love to watch these characters' transformations. Skye being Daisy Johnson was a really cool way to take the character, and it ties her arc to the show's in a way that has improved this season incredibly. I'm not super sold on Chloe Bennet's acting, but that's a whole other thing. Brett Dalton knocks his scenes out of the park, which is one of the main reasons I still like Ward.

Grant Ward is my King Joffry. I'm worried about watching the guy in other roles because he's succeeded at becoming such a nasty, horrible individual it'll be hard to see him as anything else. I feel like, if Ward doesn't become a comic character like Skye is Daisy, Ward will be someone that shows up in the comics. Coulson got in, so having "Ward, the Free Agent" around as a villain might be interesting.

I guess we'll have to wait and see. Maybe he'll end up joining AIM and become that one AIM Agent Deadpool always hung out with.

[Metahuman1]

Again a decent counter argument. And the first one i feel actually holds some merit even if i feels it's still pretty hard disagreeable with within the constraints of logic and common sense, (though i agree there's just enough wiggle room to not make it 100%). I still disagree with it. But finally an actual argument that holds water for me :). I like to be challenged like this. but i don;t hold much truck with sticking fingers in ears.

The problem with it is this:

Yes various individuals can bypass any security. But those are the specific individuals that A) the index is supposed to stop from becoming threats in the first place. B) the threat they represent has to be balanced against the threat represented byy the alternative. If you don't have an index then that means every superpowered individual is suddenly left to deal with their powers on their own and if any other form of threat, (which is going to be vastly more common), tris to take advantage of them you''ll never know because when they disappear they'll just be another missing normal. Until the bad guys operation gets busted or they start using what they've acquired to do major badness no one will know. Which is the bigger threat?

I tend to come down on the side that such individuals are rare enough on the whole and the mandate to deal with these kinds of people as well tends to offset the dangers.

The other major point i'd make is that at that point all classified data anywhere upto and including nuclear launch codes becomes vulnerable, how far can you really go with not giving them things to go after before it becomes completely silly and counterproductive? Someone with that ability because unstoppable sort of meeting someone they can't control. Illusionists, Shape Changers and Mind Benders are realistically physical goods if they pre-plan enough, which raises the question of if anyone not able to stop them should even worry about them. Nothing you do is going to stop them without crippling yourself to an unacceptable degree vs everyone else.

Like i said i agree there's just enough wiggle room in there for a valid argument, but i hold that it's a very very, very weak one.

The Kree And Asguard are a thing and any given member of either empire can do it trivially if powered and sympathetic party's don't get in there way. And there are trillions of them. For each empire. If not more.

Anyone with the mind or space Gem can also do it quite with out effort.

Any beginner mystic can do it quite easily as well. As can the overwhelming majority of extra-dimensional beings. I'm quite certain Dr. Strange is gonna show us both.

And NONE of those have the market cornered on it by any stretch of the imagination.

It's so stupidly common to anyone who isn't willfully blind too it or an idiot that it's laughable.




As for Launch Codes, this is still worse. 1: It's actually interesting to the aforementioned beings. Nukes are just kinda laughed at once you get into the broader mystic and cosmic segments at marvel. There a joke if that. 2: It's more subtle, NEVER underestimate the power of being able to be subtle if desired. 3: Less collateral damage. It means you can actually stand a better chance of the thing you want surviving the fight to get it.



So, no, no it is not so rare as to not warrant being too much of an exception to worry about. Nor is in the same Cat as Nukes by any stretch of the imagination. Try again.


Also, everyone someone goes Pro Reg/Pro Index, from now on I'm just gonna say Hail Hydra Comrade at them. So, Hail Hydra Comrade.






As for Ward as task master, Zodiac, consider this. It would give Netflix Daredevil, Iron Fist, Jessica Jones, Power Man, And current Black Widow, Hawkeye and Captain America a good context and excuse to beat the living crap out of Ward. Tell me with a straight face you wouldn't love that.



Edit: Oh, and other Inhumans, again, I really think that they have a moon base and a much higher powered people population then we've seen, and it's gonna BOOM before there movie happens cause there gonna launch the Inhumans Wave. If for no other reason then I think they REALLY want to get Kamala Khan in on that movie so they can go "See! Were inclusive and giving attention to a fan favorite character! SEE!"

[LaZodiac]

As for Ward as task master, Zodiac, consider this. It would give Netflix Daredevil, Iron Fist, Jessica Jones, Power Man, And current Black Widow, Hawkeye and Captain America a good context and excuse to beat the living crap out of Ward. Tell me with a straight face you wouldn't love that.

The only reason I don't want this (and trust me, with how brutally violent Daredevil is, I'd love to see it) is because I feel at this point, Simmons, Fitz, or Skye have to be the one to get Ward. Simmons because it is SUPER ****ing personal (especially since she's already blamming herself for the next bad thing Ward will do, which as it turns out is actually going to be a really big deal) Fitz because, like Simmons, his entire life was destroyed because of him, and I just want to see him go ballistic on the guy. Skye because like the others it's personal (though perhaps less so) but unlike the others, who would end up using tech on him in some way, Skye's would be the most satisfying because she'd vibrate him into a red puddle.

[Flickerdart]

Coulson got in

Coulson wasn't in the comics before the MCU?

[LaZodiac]

Coulson wasn't in the comics before the MCU?

Correct. He was added to the comics because the MCU made him so popular.

[3SecondCultist]

Coulson wasn't in the comics before the MCU?

Nope, he was not. He was added in around Iron Man 2 / Thor, when his current characterization began to evolve.

Also, regarding Ward's ultimate fate... I don't think we're going to see him die this season. There's just so much else going on, I know we're headed into a two hour finale, but I can't see them killing him off yet.

Edit: ninja'd!

[LaZodiac]

Nope, he was not. He was added in around Iron Man 2 / Thor, when his current characterization began to evolve.

Also, regarding Ward's ultimate fate... I don't think we're going to see him die this season. There's just so much else going on, I know we're headed into a two hour finale, but I can't see them killing him off yet.

Yeah no Ward's not dying this season, but he'll probably get wounded in some way like they did before they took the break for Carter. Presumably when they're saving Bobbie.

[Calemyr]

Coulson was in the first Iron Man movie, actually, back when nobody would give him enough time to get his department's full name out before brushing him off.

[Kitten Champion]

Ward is insufficiently skilled to suddenly become Taskmaster, whose photographic reflexes and memory are a trait of being something of polymath. Taskmaster would make a great MCU villain, I'm kind of surprised they haven't tapped him earlier as a character they can do with choreography alone.

I have no idea what they're going to do with Ward, I assumed originally he would fill the power vacuum in HYDRA and reorganize the society based on his own deluded priorities. Now, however, I'm wondering if he'll be involved with the Bobbi/Lance spin-off they're setting up here.

[lord_khaine]

I guess we'll have to wait and see. Maybe he'll end up joining AIM and become that one AIM Agent Deadpool always hung out with.

Well.. it could certainly give Deadpool a chance to deliver some truely hilarious wall breaking comments regarding his new pal then.

Also, everyone someone goes Pro Reg/Pro Index, from now on I'm just gonna say Hail Hydra Comrade at them. So, Hail Hydra Comrade.

Wow.. thats just about the most narrow minded comment i have seen this entire thread, and certainly leaves it clear that discussing this subject with you any further would be a complete waste of time.

[3SecondCultist]

Coulson was in the first Iron Man movie, actually, back when nobody would give him enough time to get his department's full name out before brushing him off.

I know that, I was referring to his characterization being different as the first phase of the MCU took off. Watch his scenes in Iron Man: he's still the same person, but there isn't the snark or quiet competency that Coulson wields in his later appearances. He's portrayed as a bit more nervous, a bit less sure of himself. This probably in part due to the changes they made to the canon after that movie: they talk about founding S.H.I.E.L.D. recently, whereas the rest of the MCU is quite clear that it was formed out of the SSR after the Second World War.

Yeah no Ward's not dying this season, but he'll probably get wounded in some way like they did before they took the break for Carter. Presumably when they're saving Bobbie.

I could see that happening, for certain. It might be a bit repetitive, though. Think about the Season One finale as well... do you really think the writers will pull a 'he gets really hurt, but is ultimately okay' for a third time? That would be really lucky for Ward.

Also, everyone someone goes Pro Reg/Pro Index, from now on I'm just gonna say Hail Hydra Comrade at them. So, Hail Hydra Comrade.

I'm not sure if you're joking, but I actually have a bit of a problem with this statement. For reference, I'm not actually Pro-Reg or Anti-Reg. I'd fall somewhere in the middle, saying there are merits and pitfalls to both positions, and it's hard (but not impossible) to hold onto both simultaneously. Anachronism aside, what you said speaks to a kind of exclusion of thought based on your conceptions of the shortcomings of Regulation.

Let's play Devil's Advocate for a moment. I'll pretend to be somebody on the Reg side of things, and I have some idealistic notions about Intervention and Enforcement (two of the initials in S.H.I.E.L.D. itself) being used to protect people at large without having to compromise moral methods. That's in a perfect world, and understandably such a place does not exist. It wouldn't make for good entertainment if it did. But nonetheless, as a Pro-Reg I still want to believe that protection can happen in a way that doesn't just exploit people, or lead to loopholes in the system wherein my protection ultimately harms people later. And I should note that this is Coulson's position in the show. The protagonist of the TV series we're discussing holds this belief, in a S.H.I.E.L.D. organization.

The position that Stark takes in comic!Civil War, and the steps he takes to ensure that fly right past anti-hero and into villain category. I can only assume that the movie Civil War is going to do something similar (although probably not to the extent of hiring Green Goblin to hunt down heroes). The only difference between Stark and Coulson is that the latter has a team of people backing him up all the way, who are willing to make sure that he doesn't falter or lose track of the ultimate aim of protection. In other words, proper oversight. That's what a Pro-Reg person would argue in this case.

Hydra and other organizations like it go beyond regulation, and into extermination, into exploitation. But there is merit to the idea of wanting to monitor potential supernatural threats and step in with (ideally) a nonviolent solution could still be considered moral high ground. Violence needs to be a last resort, otherwise you can't build up any trust between powered subjects and the organizations that monitor them, and then the whole thing could fall apart. And that's not to say that Anti-Reg thinkers are advocating anarchy, or anything like that. However, by telling people before they even open their mouths that their beliefs are comparable to a secret evil agency, and then referencing another completely different historically based totalitarian regime isn't fair.

[Kitten Champion]

Wow.. thats just about the most narrow minded comment i have seen this entire thread, and certainly leaves it clear that discussing this subject with you any further would be a complete waste of time.

Obviously if you don't agree with Metahuman, you're a Nazi, that's just the way things work.

[Metahuman1]

Wow.. thats just about the most narrow minded comment i have seen this entire thread, and certainly leaves it clear that discussing this subject with you any further would be a complete waste of time.

You'll forgive me if in light of glaring evidence against your position being a good idea AND in light of the fact that you'd previously point blank said you were right and everyone else was wrong, stop, period, irrefutable fact, if I'm less then impressed.

[LaZodiac]

Ward is insufficiently skilled to suddenly become Taskmaster, whose photographic reflexes and memory are a trait of being something of polymath. Taskmaster would make a great MCU villain, I'm kind of surprised they haven't tapped him earlier as a character they can do with choreography alone.

I have no idea what they're going to do with Ward, I assumed originally he would fill the power vacuum in HYDRA and reorganize the society based on his own deluded priorities. Now, however, I'm wondering if he'll be involved with the Bobbi/Lance spin-off they're setting up here.

Yeah...Ward's probably not high tier enough to be Taskmaster, but it's conceivable if they went for a more grounded version of him.

I've heard the Mockingbird Hunter spinoff was getting downplayed/stopped. Like, it was an idea they had, but opted not to.

[Joran]

I have no idea what they're going to do with Ward, I assumed originally he would fill the power vacuum in HYDRA and reorganize the society based on his own deluded priorities. Now, however, I'm wondering if he'll be involved with the Bobbi/Lance spin-off they're setting up here.

About that spin-off... It's currently dead.

http://www.ew.com/article/2015/05/08...moving-forward

However, Agents of SHIELD and Agent Carter both got renewed for next season.

[3SecondCultist]

I've heard the Mockingbird Hunter spinoff was getting downplayed/stopped. Like, it was an idea they had, but opted not to.

Yeah, I think they realized there just wasn't enough material there to make something worth watching. Joran's already got the article up there for you to read.


And Metahuman: see above for my two cents on the matter. Generally, saying that anyone trying to argue a particular position is wrong despite there clearly being multiple iterations of that mindset isn't giving everyone a chance to speak up. I didn't see anyone else do that, but before now I've been kind of avoiding this discussion, so I likely missed it.

[Metahuman1]

3SecondCultist: Ok, let's assume, just for a moment, that I assume everyone in universe who's presently pro-reg is nothing but noble lawful good intentions. (Spoilers, there a minority at absolute best, but just for the sake of argument.).

I have already pointed out one whole bigger then the entire earth solar system to that plan. Anyone with even a bit of telepathy, illusion or shapeshifting capability is gonna snap that system over there knee, and the number of people with it vastly outnumber the total human population (Men, women, children, all nationality's, religions, ethnicity's, orientations, powered and none powered form all sources.) presently alive. And all it takes is one of them to decide they don't give a crap. And boom, you get every bad thing that's come up that can come of registration being mandatory instantly. Hell, Agent 33 and Ward, who have 2 bits of super tech sum total, only one of which the other side doesn't also make standard issue, could do it any time the urge hit them and this has been demonstrated more then once. They just aren't interested right this moment is all. Then there's The Asgard. The Kree. An Random earth origin super with a grudge like Scarlet Witch. Anyone who get's there paws on the mind or space gem and can use the damn things at a really basic level, or any form mystic or extra-dimensional being (Both of which are about to have a BIG movie to introduce us too them in universe. Hello Dr. Strange!). And all of them could do this with less effort then it would take you to go to starbucks and order something with coffee in it somewhere in the recipe.


And again, that's assuming there is not and will NEVER be a person in favor of mandatory registration within the system who would even consider for an instant abusing it.





And they have plainly shown us that is not the case. Colsen and Bobbie are LITERALLY the only people in position to access that index who don't actively and maliciously WANT to cut straight to the concentration camp stuff just on principle. And Bobbies gone, and the others have all proven, repeatedly, they'll go behind Colsen's back at the drop of a hat to anything and everything he says no too. (And yes sadly at this point I'm quite certain that includes May.) Or hell, if there careful about who they agree to promote, all they have to do is just be patient. Colsen's gonna die of old age sooner or later, then they can just have someone who shares there view made director and have a unanimous vote to do it.


It is untenable to say that Registration even has the potential to lead anywhere then worse case scenario, and to make a B-line for it too boot.

And that's before you even factor in that we know EXACTLY what Starks gonna pull from the comic books, and we know the deviations will very probably be minimal if they exist at all because once again, Joe Quesada DOES have pull now and thinks that storyline is better then freaking Watchmen or Kingdom Come. And hell, since they now have access to spiderman and all that comes with, they could actually just skip stark being involved and cut straight to Norman Osborn pushing for registration and getting a significant position that gives him access to the files for no reason other then to abuse them for personal gain. And you still get to the same place.


And now that we've established that, we have to take the next step. To acknowledge that it's gonna happen this way if they go for registration. That it is not avoidable. So when your not rooting Ant-reg and instead rooting for the pro-reg side, your rooting for the concentration camp routine. Ergo the tag line. To point this out to people who seem to be over looking it for what ever reason with out having to do an entire shpeel every post or two.

Also I love how lord_khaine didn't feel the need to quote the rest of the reasoning, he just jumped to "Yup. I'm right and all but your too close minded to keep bothering with." instead of actually trying to answer the reasoning and explain to me how all of the above doesn't matter in the least and they should all still be forced to register at gun point knowing all this and taking it into account.





And as an aside, I made references to Hydra, an in universe fictional entity, specifically to avoid real world politics. How did you get real world politics?

[Kitten Champion]

Yeah...Ward's probably not high tier enough to be Taskmaster, but it's conceivable if they went for a more grounded version of him.

I've heard the Mockingbird Hunter spinoff was getting downplayed/stopped. Like, it was an idea they had, but opted not to.

About that spin-off... It's currently dead.

http://www.ew.com/article/2015/05/08...moving-forward

However, Agents of SHIELD and Agent Carter both got renewed for next season.

I'm genuinely glad. I would've been willing to give it a shot if they seemed to be going somewhere with it, but AoS is already strained in its budget and ratings that a spin-off at this point would have been stretching things too far.

Frankly, while I like Nick Blood's Lance Hunter character, he's good where he is within the ensemble AoS cast. As to Adrianne Palicki's Mockingbird, she's really not lead material. I understand casting her as a someone who's physically imposing in an action show as a heroic character and she isn't too bad of an actor all told, but she just doesn't have the chops to bring me in each week in the way Hayley Atwell does. I actually think she'd have worked better as a villain - perhaps Madam Hydra - after seeing her play a conniving assassin in John Wick.

[Metahuman1]

It could have worked if it was the avengers academy idea. 2 people with LOT'S of field experience and I'm getting a vibe some teaching experience branching off to train a much younger team who are only getting training cause there supers. (Also, again, this would give MCU the chance to keep Tom Hiddlestan and Loki around after Thor: Ragnorok via the Kid Loki story line and then transitioning after a season or two of that into Loki: Agent of Asgard type deal. Which I'd imagine they'd want to do for similar reasons to getting Kamala Khan into play.)