Erfworld thread V: Baddie Will Not Post In Thread

[Godskook]

One tiny thing I noticed that was disproportionately disturbing.

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Amidst the torture, humiliation, and brainwashing, the artist was careful to show that Archons wear thong-style panties. Why was this a key detail we needed to know?

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It took me 3-5 passes of very intentionally looking for what you're talking about to even find it, and it definitely doesn't stand out. Although honestly, even if they had showed that Archon fully naked, it wouldn't have really felt fanservicey to me unless there was something more to it than that. Amistad didn't suddenly feel like a porno despite all the nudity, and I don't really see why this comic would be held to a different standard on that front.

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No offense but, while the Archons have been used as fanservice in the past, here the fact you imediatly noticed such a small thing and found it 'disproportionately disturbing' strikes me as more telling about you and the issues you are sensitive about than the comic and it's author.

I liken psychoanalysis to brain surgery, and in a lot of ways, I feel the metaphor is an important one. Both require precision, planning, intention, and in any reasonable setting, permission. What you just said is the psychoanalytical equivalent of performing neurosurgery with a baseball bat.

[Killer Angel]

What you just said is the psychoanalytical equivalent of performing neurosurgery with a baseball bat.

Its the danger of performing neurosurgey if you're not a surgeon. No way you can do it right.

[The Glyphstone]

I liken psychoanalysis to brain surgery, and in a lot of ways, I feel the metaphor is an important one. Both require precision, planning, intention, and in any reasonable setting, permission. What you just said is the psychoanalytical equivalent of performing neurosurgery with a baseball bat.

Does a lobotomy count as neurosurgery?

[HandofShadows]

Does a lobotomy count as neurosurgery?

No, lobotomies are a form of brain/mind destruction.

[smuchmuch]

Does a lobotomy count as neurosurgery?

Yes. A damaging, disprooved and thankfully outdated one certainly, but a neurosurgical procedure nonetheless.
Baseball bats were not involved in anyway.

[The Glyphstone]

Possibly if you owed money to the mob, though they preferred knee surgery anyways.

[EnragedFilia]

The statement in question was really more of a diagnostic one, so I think a more accurate analogy would be using a garden hose as a stethoscope.

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I liken psychoanalysis to brain surgery, and in a lot of ways, I feel the metaphor is an important one. Both require precision, planning, intention, and in any reasonable setting, permission. What you just said is the psychoanalytical equivalent of performing neurosurgery with a baseball bat.

The poster you're replying has a point. To notice such a detail, it's out of the ordinary. I don't share his convicition of mental state, but it's intriguing.

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This incident, reminds me a bit how negatively my sister reacted to Mullholand Drive scene, with an older man courting a young woman as part of audition. She had some bad experience with older men and the scene felt nauseating to her.

[The Glyphstone]

I know I never intended it to become such a major topic of discussion. But I suppose we don't really have a lot to talk about else until the next page comes up.

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I know I never intended it to become such a major topic of discussion. But I suppose we don't really have a lot to talk about else until the next page comes up.

We can talk about what was the point of this strip? Remind us Charlie is evil? Prepare setup for Ansom to arrive?

[Killer Angel]

We can talk about what was the point of this strip? Remind us Charlie is evil? Prepare setup for Ansom to arrive?

Right, let's talk about the comic.
Isn't bizarre that they call "traitor" a unit that has been croaked and raised by the enemy? treason should have a different meaning...

(yeah, i know it's a weak argument)

[Kantaki]

Right, let's talk about the comic.
Isn't bizarre that they call "traitor" a unit that has been croaked and raised by the enemy? treason should have a different meaning...

(yeah, i know it's a weak argument)

Hey, its totally her fault this happened. She got herself killed by GK and let Wanda decrypt and brainwash her. If she was truly loyal to Charlie she wouldn't have let either of those things happen, much less all of them. Especially the fact that she was turned is a grave insult to Charlescomm that she shouldn't have allowed. Thus she is a traitor.

Sarcasm aside, blaming the victims for what happened to them is unfortunately a thing that exist.

[The Glyphstone]

And as I mentioned above, it's utterly appropriate for the cult-like mindset common to 'true believer'-style fanatics, which the Archons absolutely are.

[Legato Endless]

You can still turn (torture) captured units to change sides. Jillian's Chief Warlord is a captured unit that turned.

Which renders his subsequent 'relationship' with her in an incredibly disturbing light. It's no wonder Charlie hired her.

[The Glyphstone]

Turning doesn't automatically involve torture, though - we've seen one mid-battle change of side (Ossomer) simply though diplomacy. So while turning someone is going to require coercion/pressure, it's not required. I suspect doing so is likely the fastest means of successfully turning a unit, but like everything in Erfworld it probably means a tradeoff (in this case, likely low Loyalty on the part of the new unit). Duncan was Turned by Vanna the Turnamancer instead, likely explaining his high Loyalty to Jillian.

Though now that I think of it, aren't Duncan and Vanna in a relationship as well?

[Squark]

Forecastle also gained his forces through willing turns- His seaworld units turned out of loyalty (Not sure if it would be qualified as the natural thinkamancy kind or not), while his opposite numbers on the opposing side turned on the condition that they'd never have to go to sea again.

[Legato Endless]

Though now that I think of it, aren't Duncan and Vanna in a relationship as well?

Ah, my previous post was unclear. Yes, I meant Duncan and Vanna being in relationship was the disturbing factor, not Charlie.

Turning doesn't automatically involve torture, though - we've seen one mid-battle change of side (Ossomer) simply though diplomacy. So while turning someone is going to require coercion/pressure, it's not required. I suspect doing so is likely the fastest means of successfully turning a unit, but like everything in Erfworld it probably means a tradeoff (in this case, likely low Loyalty on the part of the new unit). Duncan was Turned by Vanna the Turnamancer instead, likely explaining his high Loyalty to Jillian.

True, but it's heavily implied it was torture in this case.

Prologue 28 of Love is a Battlefield:

That level 6 Jitterati warlord, Duncan Scone, was now her best fighter. Vanna had done some good work to turn him, but the dungeon didn't much interest Jillian. Vanna didn't really know how to play right.

[The Glyphstone]

That's hard to argue against - but then, maybe the fact that Vanna 'didn't know how to play right' is saying she doesn't use torture,or at least not physical torture. For Jillian and her screwed up psychology, torture would be that 'right' way to 'play'.

[Aquillion]

Maybe. It could also mean the opposite, that Vanna takes it too seriously (and therefore it isn't fun, just disturbing.)

It could also just mean that Jillian is squicked by non-consensual torture; Vanna "doesn't know how to play right" because she's not playing at all.

[Bird]

New one is up.

I love it.

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Zhopa doesn't have the personality or charm of Bogroll, but he is the unsung hero of Erfworld. Remember when he accidentally/on purpose convinced Stanley to save Parson from the inferno?

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New one is up.

I love it.

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Zhopa doesn't have the personality or charm of Bogroll, but he is the unsung hero of Erfworld. Remember when he accidentally/on purpose convinced Stanley to save Parson from the inferno?

Gummi Wums! Wild beasts of terror!

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I don't believe he hailed Zhoppa just to fix a statue? Don't other trolls have Fabrication? I think this is on purpose, so they can hang out.

[Radar]

Gummi Wums! Wild beasts of terror!

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I don't believe he hailed Zhoppa just to fix a statue? Don't other trolls have Fabrication? I think this is on purpose, so they can hang out.

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Let's not forget that Zhopa makes some really spiffy sandwiches - that alone makes him invaluable. Maybe he will be able to mix some interesting drinks as well?

[ryuplaneswalker]

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Let's not forget that Zhopa makes some really spiffy sandwiches - that alone makes him invaluable. Maybe he will be able to mix some interesting drinks as well?

If he can not, The tower can teach him..

[Yana]

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Have we had any indication that Jed can talk to anyone besides Stanley?

[turbo164]

Gummi Wums! Wild beasts of terror!

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I don't believe he hailed Zhoppa just to fix a statue? Don't other trolls have Fabrication? I think this is on purpose, so they can hang out.

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Zhoppa was also promoted to Stanley's official lackey, between the epic sandwich and epic tower climb.

[halfeye]

I saw this elsewhere, and just had to share:

[Godskook]

Gummi Wums! Wild beasts of terror!

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I don't believe he hailed Zhoppa just to fix a statue? Don't other trolls have Fabrication? I think this is on purpose, so they can hang out.

Afaik, there are no twolls in Spacerock.

[Killer Angel]

If he can not, The tower can teach him..

I wanna little umbrellas!

[screwtape2]

That's hard to argue against - but then, maybe the fact that Vanna 'didn't know how to play right' is saying she doesn't use torture,or at least not physical torture. For Jillian and her screwed up psychology, torture would be that 'right' way to 'play'.

I just take it as Vanna isn't Wanda. She wouldn't know to begin with, "prisoner is alert," or to ask, "the easy way, or the hard way," and she wouldn't know any of the familiar rituals they have performed in the past in their...play.

[ObadiahtheSlim]

Okay that elf punchline legitimatly had me laughing. I'm glad I'm not at work today so I didn't make a fool of myself.

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Magnets Arkentool? How do they work?