Erfworld thread V: Baddie Will Not Post In Thread

[Kantaki]

You know, I just figured out that Caesar's outfit is Spike's from Buffy. I feel downright unobservant for missing this earlier.

You recognized it faster than I did. But now that you say it I see the resemblance. Did he always wear a long coat? I think it was shorter at some point. Caesar dresses like Spike. That could mean bad or really bad things for the future, depending on the version of Spike that was the inspiration. Maybe Caesar will end up on the same side as Parson at some point. The Signamancy would fit.

[Aquillion]

I think it's been made pretty clear that Caesar isn't down with all this royalist boop. On the other hand, I can't see him being eager to sign up for Toolism, either.

[Legato Endless]

Well this finally bring things to a head. Caesar and Don are going to clash, because now the alliance with GK isn't favorable, it's absolutely necessary for their survival. Hopefully Don gets kicked out soon.

[Rogar Demonblud]

As long as it leads to Jillian's dismemberment, I'm cool with that.

[Killer Angel]

I wonder if we'll see "on screen" a call Parson - Carpool...

[Marcelinari]

I suspect that this development will lead to Faq's involvement in TV's problems as an official ally. Caesar demands that Don call in some of his markers on Jillian, Jillian concedes, deciding that it probably wouldn't hurt to give Prince Albert a little combat experience? Vinnie accompanies him as a chaperone, maybe? Also, Carpool has no real way of knowing about TV's pocket ally, and this way TV's resources aren't unduly stretched by responding to the assault. According to the Summer Updates, Aqua Velva is max 2 turns from Faq by vampire-flight. Gwiffons might be faster.

[-D-]

Yeah, I wouldn't be surprised if Jill was called to help.

The way I see it this plays out:
A) TV calls his allies for aid - Jetstone refuses, FAQ obliges but it ends poorly somehow
B) TV finds out about GK support and GK is called to aid - very unlikely.
C) TV calls allies, no one answers

I might see A/C happening. B would happen if they knew Parson was The Perfect warlord and their Thinkamancers trusted each other to share sides details (troops, production possibilities, spells available). And that would be a HUGE leap across the abyss for TV.

My bet - they call Jillian, Jillian has problem with sorting Princess Albert to join the fight (would she go in to help TV only for Albert to succeed her?), Jetstone can't and they lose Aqua Velva. Caesar, starts rethinking his alliance options.

[eschmenk]

B) TV finds out about GK support and GK is called to aid - very unlikely.

I can't see either side going for that, but Parson wanted a truce. That seems much more likely.

[HalfTangible]

My guess - Caesar secretly calls GK to help destroy Carpool by attacking THEIR ports, while he continues the land assault. In exchange, he'll ally with GK when he's king.

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Not perfect, but I could see it working.

[Lethologica]

My guess - Vinny secretly calls GK to help destroy Carpool by attacking THEIR ports, while he continues the land assault. In exchange, he'll ally with GK when he's king.

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Not perfect, but I could see it working.

Do you mean Caesar? Would he know to make an overture to GK?

[HalfTangible]

Do you mean Caesar? Would he know to make an overture to GK?

... Yes. Yes I do.

And he might - Bunny is his lover, and she definitely knows about it.

... On the other hand
"Et tu, Bunny?"

[Aquillion]

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My guess is that Janis wants to push Parson towards her goal (ending war), though it seems like this one he doesn't need much convincing on.

[Yanagi]

So I think a coup is brewing in TV but a few updates before it seems like Don has some protection against these kinds of things.

I think it's most likely from the fact that almost all TV units (especially commanders) are flying units and Don & Bunny are not and Don got some tricks up his sleeves that plays around that.

I also think that "Caeser" is a sort of signmancy... the real life Caeser was a general who was really successful in his conquest in Gaul that he marched back into Rome as Tyrant for life... and in the end gets stabbed by all the senators somewhere in the middle of march...

His name also invokes Cesare Borgia...which is interesting, because he's a guy famous amongst his contemporaries for martial prowess, intelligence, and incredible charisma...but is also the guy remembered to history for being the utterly ruthless and ambitious "prince" that Machiavelli models his treatise "The Prince" after. He went large and failed spectacularly--tried to control Italy and form a stable dynasty kingdom, nearly secured himself, then finally ended up wretched and dead at the hands of his worst enemy (della Rovere, who became Pope Julius 2).

[ryuplaneswalker]

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My guess is that Janis wants to push Parson towards her goal (ending war), though it seems like this one he doesn't need much convincing on.

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Yes but he has simmed it out, and from what he has discovered it would require a genocide of sorts to make it economically do able

[Lizard Lord]

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My thinking is that Parson has found a sanctuary should the Great Minds turn on him (or he turn on them for that matter.)

[-D-]

In Erfworld forum a wild debate rages on - Is Janis trying to sex up Parson? And will Maggie mind :P

Also another story switch, this is getting a tad obnoxious.

[Legato Endless]

With so many subplots to follow, keeping the TV plot line in this slow burn makes it look like it's standing still compared to the rest of the world. At this rate, Caesar and Don will be able to violently clash over their ideals a few dozen turns after Parson and Maggie's great grandchildren are born.

[Chromascope3D]

With so many subplots to follow, keeping the TV plot line in this slow burn makes it look like it's standing still compared to the rest of the world. At this rate, Caesar and Don will be able to violently clash over their ideals a few dozen turns after Parson and Maggie's great grandchildren are born.

Don't you hate it when your real enemies keep getting in the way of your imagined ones? :P

[Marcelinari]

The constant plot-jumping is getting really fatiguing. The updates are sparse enough that the plot progression already feel slow - jumping from perspective to perspective and telling, what... Faq, Ansom, Parson, TV, Stanley... at least 5 separate plotlines simultaneously makes the whole thing seem disjointed. I think it might be more palatable if each plotline was given more than 2 consecutive pages before being moved along.

[Kantaki]

Great. A update that doesn't tell us anything new. Can't the story stay on one track for a while? There are four or five subplots right now and constantly switching between them makes it feel as if the comic is standing still.

[-D-]

Great. A update that doesn't tell us anything new. Can't the story stay on one track for a while? There are four or five subplots right now and constantly switching between them makes it feel as if the comic is standing still.

I challenge that notion. Right now, there are following plots:

1) TV conflict with Carpool
2) TV conflict of Don/Caesar
3) Parson learning about Janis, Carnymancers/Hippiemancers
4) Jed and Stanley
5) Jillian and Princess Albert
6) Trammenis and Ansom meeting
7) Charlie and his lackeys (thinkamancer/carnymancer)
8) Thinkamancers and Bunny
9) Lilith
10) Stanley and Juggalos

[Kantaki]

I challenge that notion. Right now, there are following plots:

1) TV conflict with Carpool
2) TV conflict of Don/Caesar
3) Parson learning about Janis, Carnymancers/Hippiemancers
4) Jed and Stanley
5) Jillian and Princess Albert
6) Trammenis and Ansom meeting
7) Charlie and his lackeys (thinkamancer/carnymancer)
8) Thinkamancers and Bunny
9) Lilith
10) Stanley and Juggalos

And how does that change my point? That only makes it worse.

[-D-]

And how does that change my point? That only makes it worse.

I meant I challenge the notion that it's just five

[hajo]

Right now, there are following plots:
1) TV conflict with Carpool
2) TV conflict of Don/Caesar
3) Parson learning about Janis, Carnymancers/Hippiemancers
4) Jed and Stanley
5) Jillian and Princess Albert
6) Trammenis and Ansom meeting
7) Charlie and his lackeys (thinkamancer/carnymancer)
8) Thinkamancers and Bunny
9) Lilith
10) Stanley and Juggalos

Don't forget:
* Charlie and the Little green stealth-golem / walking bomb
* Charlie and his 'modern arms'
* Charlie and the natural allies
* GK-internal affairs (Jack/Wanda, Zhopa ...)
* TV-internal affairs (that dollamancer and his 'toy')
* FAQ-internals: Duncan, Vanna, Vinny
* Jetstone: the casters and warlords / looking for new strategy
* MK: that green witch, DigDug, Dove, the 'playground', the short pier ...
* other sides: Haggar, Dickie, maybe Seaworld/Forecastle...
* ongoing affairs: Jillian/Wanda/Jack, Judy + Arkentools, Parson's players ...

There are quite a number of loose ends we haven't seen yet :-)

[Killer Angel]

I challenge that notion. Right now, there are following plots:

1) TV conflict with Carpool
2) TV conflict of Don/Caesar
3) Parson learning about Janis, Carnymancers/Hippiemancers
4) Jed and Stanley
5) Jillian and Princess Albert
6) Trammenis and Ansom meeting
7) Charlie and his lackeys (thinkamancer/carnymancer)
8) Thinkamancers and Bunny
9) Lilith
10) Stanley and Juggalos

Don't forget:
* Charlie and the Little green stealth-golem / walking bomb
* Charlie and his 'modern arms'
* Charlie and the natural allies
* GK-internal affairs (Jack/Wanda, Zhopa ...)
* TV-internal affairs (that dollamancer and his 'toy')
* FAQ-internals: Duncan, Vanna, Vinny
* Jetstone: the casters and warlords / looking for new strategy
* MK: that green witch, DigDug, Dove, the 'playground', the short pier ...
* other sides: Haggar, Dickie, maybe Seaworld/Forecastle...
* ongoing affairs: Jillian/Wanda/Jack, Judy + Arkentools, Parson's players ...

There are quite a number of loose ends we haven't seen yet :-)

G.R.R. Martin, eat your heart out!

[-D-]

G.R.R. Martin, eat your heart out!

Well, Rob is yet to start killing his character en masse. If this was G. R. R. Martin - Parson, Maggie, Stanley, Charlie and Wanda would be dead in addition to all currently decesed. And all Decrypted.

[Legato Endless]

G.R.R. Martin, eat your heart out!

To be fair, not all of these are really plot lines. Some of this is world building, minor loose ends, and a bit of natter.

Charlie's modern arms aren't a plot line, they're just a revelation about Charlie's character that will affect a later storyline.

The Dollamancer thing was in a single update, and it might just function as a shout out. It might have some significance later, but's it's not a plot line as it stands.

Dove could never appear again and it wouldn't really change anything.

The playground is just world building.

Haggar and Dickie are, at best, small elements within the plot line of Gobwin's Knob diplomatic initiative.

You could also probably combine the Carpool conflict with Caesar and Don. Indeed, I'm thinking the former is going to mostly simply feed into the latter until something breaks. Or Jillian secures their borders. Which, from a meta perspective, might be the most irritating completely justified action by a character in this story ever.

[Lizard Lord]

Well, Rob is yet to start killing his character en masse. If this was G. R. R. Martin - Parson, Maggie, Stanley, Charlie and Wanda would be dead in addition to all currently decesed. And all Decrypted.

Nah if this was G.R.R.M. the Decrypted would stick around but barely ever feature with only promises that they will do something cool soon. Same with the Dwagons.

[EnragedFilia]

Nah if this was G.R.R.M. the Decrypted would stick around but barely ever feature with only promises that they will do something cool soon. Same with the Dwagons.

It could be worse. At least each installment doesn't take progressively longer than the previous.

[Legato Endless]

Apropos of nothing, why is Janis so gigantic?

She's Hobwin sized at least now. Does Flower Power include size changing? Like when she cast Time Out?

Could it be some new type of signamancy?

Was there something in the soup?

Is it...dare I say...an art error?