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2015-05-27, 05:09 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: 3.5 Classes that Broke Your Heart
But it's Time Dragons we're speaking about
Control over time is very important thing to them
Even their hatchlings have Time Stop at will (with 2d4 rounds cooldown)
It's like deny Fire Immunity to Dragon Disciple (Red), because "So many monsters have fire-based attacks! And don't forget about the environmental hazards too! It's overpowered!"
Anyway, you will get it no earlier than 15 ECL - not all games go that far
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2015-05-27, 05:16 PM (ISO 8601)
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2015-05-27, 06:04 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: 3.5 Classes that Broke Your Heart
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2015-05-27, 08:15 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: 3.5 Classes that Broke Your Heart
Bard is pretty damn shiny compared to a lot of the rubbish out there. Like, half the other core classes.
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2015-05-27, 09:23 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: 3.5 Classes that Broke Your Heart
Honestly, yes. The only three problems are getting the ridiculous PERFORM (ORATORY) bonuses (or having your DM nerf the DCs), the fact that you don't matter much after about level 12 until level 20, and of course the silly scaling of the PERFORM (ORATORY) DCs.
Quickening a BARDIC MUSIC ABILITY for free every round is way more powerful than people admit, and since there's no saving throw for many of the BARDIC MUSIC ABILITIES and they don't offer spell resistance, boss fights become pretty easy when the boss can't move and is constantly slowed.
Of course I guess a fourth problem would be how useless BARDIC MUSIC ABILITIES become when you can't see your target.
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2015-05-27, 10:01 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: 3.5 Classes that Broke Your Heart
The trouble is that BARDIC MUSIC ABILITY is so unrealistic since we know that PERFORM (ORATORY) improves with repetition. The rules just don't support this though.
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2015-05-27, 11:04 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: 3.5 Classes that Broke Your Heart
At least they made good on the ability to attract extraplanar attention with a good enough PERFORM check
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2015-05-28, 08:06 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: 3.5 Classes that Broke Your Heart
Just like Werewolf is just a specific case of Lycanthrope template, Red Half-Dragon is just a specific case of Half-Dragon template
Just like text of Lycanthrope template don't describe every possible Animal, Half-Dragon template don't least every True Dragon; - beyond the fluff and appearance they all differ in only 2 points: 1) Breath Weapon or special ability, 2) Immunity or other special ability (special abilities - because not every True Dragon have Breath Weapon or specific Immunity)
What's we see in case of Time Dragon?
It have two Breath Weapons: line of ravaging time, and cone of time expulsion
By using Metallic Half-Dragons example, "select damage over incapacitation", thus line of ravaging time
Now we need to select "Immunity or other special ability". There is a bit of problem - Time Dragon don't have any (specific) strait Immunities, so it should be "special ability"
What's to select?
Time Control? But it's only 5 turns/day, and Half-Dragon's "other special ability" is always something constant - be it Water Breathing or Burrow
Damage Reduction - it's actually last all day long, but Time Dragons are not the only specie of Dragons who have it - every possible Dragon have DR at some point, but Half-Dragons never get it
Time Stop at will (2d4 round cooldown)...
Yes, Half-Dragons usually don't get (Sp) abilities, but look at it like this: Immunity supposed to protect Half-Dragons against their one Breath Weapon, and what is defense against the Time?..
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2015-05-28, 08:58 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: 3.5 Classes that Broke Your Heart
And just like Lycanthrope, Half-Dragon gives guidelines for what the parent dragon gives you. Those things are: a very specific breath weapon, and one immunity from its parent. Lung Dragons are specifically called out as being different, so that doesn't extend to Time Dragons. In fact, the Draconomicon tables have a bunch of half-dragons getting no special ability or immunity whatsoever and this is a much stronger precedent than your wishful thinking.
You are arguing that Time Stop is in line with the power of an immunity, but besides the fact that isn't true, it doesn't matter.
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2015-05-28, 09:08 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: 3.5 Classes that Broke Your Heart
All the Physical primary classes in the PHB
Fighter: You swing a metal stick.... and that's it, moving along!
Knight: Cool, you're a tank!.... provided the enemy meets all these specific requirements. Oh well, least you can still do the key job of a Fighter, by wielding a Greatsword and with some crowd control.
CW Samurai: Take what few good things the OA Samurai had, destroy that, and make a class that falls easier than even Paladin's being trolled into falling.. But hey, SAM 1/ Ronin 10! >:D
Hexblade: Great ideas, that still fell short of making a full fledged Dark Knight. Oh well, least we have Duskblade for that.Final Fantasy XIV Dragoon custom avatar made by Iruka. Thanks Iruka.
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2015-05-28, 10:41 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: 3.5 Classes that Broke Your Heart
What's you mean by "very specific"?
"(see table)"?
What's about the Dragon species which are not in the table?
Technically, it doesn't say "one" What's about the Planar, Epic, Ferrous Dragons? Steel Dragon?
It's like they turned inside out to make already questionable template as unattractive as possible!
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2015-05-28, 10:47 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: 3.5 Classes that Broke Your Heart
What about them? The template says "The lung dragons, are a special case. Many either don't have breath weapons or lack immunities (or both), so half-dragons descended from these parents gain special attacks and special qualities as noted on the Lung Half-Dragons table below."
No mention is made of Planar, Epic, Ferrous, or Steel half-dragons as being exceptional in the way you want them to be.
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2015-05-28, 11:30 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: 3.5 Classes that Broke Your Heart
Draconomicon and Races of the Dragon listed numerous variants of Half-Dragon for non-Core Dragons.
(And magazines listed Half-Dragon variants for almost all Dragons in their articles)
Planar Dragons
Draconomicon:
Chaos Dragon is immune to compulsion; Half-Dragon - to Confusion (misheard?)
Radiant Dragon is immune to light effects; Half-Dragon gets nothing
Tarterian Dragon have no innate immunity (but three special qualities); Half-Dragon gets nothing
Dragon #321:
Arboreal Dragon is immune to Acid, Sonic, and Enchantment; Half-Dragon gets only resistance to Acid and Sonic 20
Beast Dragon is immune to Cold and Electricity; Half-Dragon gets only resistance to Cold and Electricity 20
Ferrous (Dr#356): Iron Dragon have Breath Weapon which deal half-Electricity/half-Fire damage; Half-Dragon's BW deal only Electricity damage
Steel Dragon is immune to Acid; Half-Dragon gets only +10 against Poison
Epic Dragons
Force Dragon is immune to Force; Half-Dragon gets nothing
Prismatic Dragon have Prismatic Spray as BW; Half-Dragon have Searing Light as BWLast edited by ShurikVch; 2015-05-28 at 11:33 AM.
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2015-05-28, 12:55 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: 3.5 Classes that Broke Your Heart
Specific overrides general, as always. You're more than welcome to homebrew a Time Half-Dragon that gets as much time control as you want. Frankly, more of these "half-dragon gets nothing from parent" examples only serve to strike down your argument.
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2015-05-28, 10:03 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: 3.5 Classes that Broke Your Heart
There is a lot but I will focus on a few.
1.Rage mage
Oh, it could have been sweet. But it being a half-progression PRC just makes it a little less than helpful.
2.Bard
It's cool, but I really would have appreciated full spell casting. It being that master of none type of class isn't a good thing at all. Especially seeing classes like the beguiler and even factotum (which got ALL skills and all wiz/sorc spells (even though they can only cast an extremely limited number per day)
I think it's perfect in 5e though.
3.Assasin.
It has useful spells, but I think it could have been condensed into a 5 level class. That would have made it SICK. And maybe letting up on the pre-requisites.
4.Erudite.
Probably one of my favorite classes. The problem I have is the lack of clarity with the Unique powers per day.
If it could have been 1 per level that would have been perfect.
5.Core melee classes
obviously. They all needed martial maneuvers. We just didn't know until they came out with them.
6. Paladin
I hate the paladin. At best, it should have been a variant class for cleric. more trouble than it's worth.
7.wizard
The spell book mechanic I don't care for. It would have been cool if they just had the opportunity to learn from scrolls, but didn't actually need a spell book or forgot all there spells every day. Spellbooks then simply become a vehicle of transferring knowledge between them. Just as a professor can learn a formula, but uses a math book to help spread the information.
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2015-05-28, 10:09 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: 3.5 Classes that Broke Your Heart
You might be interested in the Easy Bake Wizard, and specifically the Eidetic Wizard ACF.
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2015-07-12, 11:21 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: 3.5 Classes that Broke Your Heart
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2015-07-12, 12:32 PM (ISO 8601)
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2015-07-12, 02:12 PM (ISO 8601)
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2015-07-12, 07:44 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: 3.5 Classes that Broke Your Heart
I was totally hoping cryokineticist was going to be at least as cool as pyro, but then that entry requirement quickly kicked that hope in the balls until it died. Pyrokineticist is for ex-monks. They have the concentration ranks, and they have no ability to continue being monks once they fall off the enlightened path. So Spellfire Wielder and Pyrokineticist are their best bets for advancing Something. In the case of spellfire wielder they can become potent anti-magic jerks, because evasion, high monk saves, draining magic items of their enemies to fuel their powers. With pyrokineticist they have to fall to a chaotic alignment, but by the time they're setting fire to a structure to watch it burn, that's probably already the case.
Sure, the monk doesn't have a full bab, and neither do the other two classes, but with monk based grappling the spellfire channeler (not wielder, I think that's the name of the feat) can disarm opponents or rub up against them to drain their magic items, while sucking down some levels of pyro will give them a much needed offense for the times when they have no magic juice to spray all over their enemies in contempt. Both classes offer fire (psychic fire, or super arcane fire repsectively). And if the monk started out as a psionic race (such as a half giant) they already meet most of the requirements of pyro by 5. If they still aren't chaotic by then, they can fall off the monk path with spellfire channeler levels and then jump into pyro whenever they reach chaotic (burning **** down with spellfire along the way should help that).
Anyway...in response to Forrestfire about Complete Psionic: Don't forget the illumine blade. That class is amazing for killing undead, and always super helpful for even just the capstone: 1/day when you hit 0 hp, you heal 5d8+5 hp instantly. It's what kept my soulknife/illumine blade/soulbow alive multiple times across a long campaign. Hell, that and refreshing death ward for expending psionic focus was great. Mmmmmmm, basically permanent death ward. Even if it got dispelled, it was up again next round.
I think I'll go with complete psionic as being the thing that broke my heart in 3.5. It was basically less than a handful of useful things and a lot of bad filler shoved into a book and published at first read. And I bought it. Oh, I bought it immediately, because wizards had such a habit of basically ignoring psionics for 3.0/3.5 for so long that by the time it came out I wanted Anything that was an official psionics book. The good things from that book could have been put up as mind's eye articles, but I suppose the best part about that book was that it was a published book and thus legitimate in the eyes of the person who was gming that campaign I was playing a soulknife in. If they had been mind's eye article classes, they would have been rejected out of hand.
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2015-07-14, 12:16 PM (ISO 8601)
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