Blood points vs pints and feeding

[Bellberith]

so i recently got into a conversation with a guy and he is saying vampires drain pints instead of points. so any vampire no matter how much blood points they have will die when another bites and drains all 10 pints in 4 rounds.

is this the case or do vampires drain points and they still have to go through the huge pool of blood points that something like a 4th gen might have.

v20 rules.

[TheCountAlucard]

Our STs usually were of the position that for a mortal, it doesn't make much difference, but when draining another Kindred, you did indeed drain points, because more potent Kindred were in part more potent because the amount of dark power they could pack into one human's worth of blood was a lot higher. After all, a vampire is already in more or less perfect control of where the blood in his or her body goes, including when something would try and take it out of them; Kindred stabbed through the gut with a sword will only lose what blood is physically displaced out of their bodies, unless of course they will themselves to bleed out. It's just harder to get the same physical amount of blood out of a more potent vampire.

[Anonymouswizard]

Vampires drain proportionate points, so anything human sized is drained in 4 rounds.

Effectively the game assumes you drain 1/10 of a character's maximum Blood Pool per 'point' unless stated otherwise. So technically your friend is right but it's not how the game talks about it. The exact speed they guzzle is about 1.5l a turn.

EDIT: it is an explicit rule that elder blood is more concentrated, so you can drain 1/10 a point. I believe that this is meant to be maximum value, but I've lent my rulebook to a friend and so can't check.

[comicshorse]

so i recently got into a conversation with a guy and he is saying vampires drain pints instead of points. so any vampire no matter how much blood points they have will die when another bites and drains all 10 pints in 4 rounds.

is this the case or do vampires drain points and they still have to go through the huge pool of blood points that something like a 4th gen might have.

v20 rules.

I leant my V20 rules to a friend so I'm not positive but I thought Vampires don't just die when you take all their blood they'll simply frenzy. You need to do more damage or carry on drinking and Diablerize them to finish them

[Bellberith]

I leant my V20 rules to a friend so I'm not positive but I thought Vampires don't just die when you take all their blood they'll simply frenzy. You need to do more damage or carry on drinking and Diablerize them to finish them

Yes, but that is besides the point. The question still stands and ive gotten 2 different answers so far.... To me, RAW says blood points, not pints. But i am wondering if i missed anything.

[comicshorse]

As far as I'm aware Vampires drain blood points NOT pints, so draining a 4th Gen will take a long time
For a human a point pretty much equals a pint anyway and as Vampires usual prey the two terms tend to get mixed up quite a bit

[LibraryOgre]

Also consider those that go the other way... where you have to drain multiple pints to get points (especially if feeding from animals).

[McStabbington]

so i recently got into a conversation with a guy and he is saying vampires drain pints instead of points. so any vampire no matter how much blood points they have will die when another bites and drains all 10 pints in 4 rounds.

is this the case or do vampires drain points and they still have to go through the huge pool of blood points that something like a 4th gen might have.

v20 rules.

Pints.

A vampire that drains a cow isn't getting 4 points because he's suddenly a much messier eater. He's getting it because cow blood is less nourishing to a vampire than human blood, and all those extra pints he pumps down only allow him nominal relief from his hunger and marginal usefulness. An ST realistically should require at least 6-7 turns of feeding to drain one.

Similarly, an elder or werewolf doesn't technically have any more blood in their system than a human; it's not as if they are physically larger or giving them a papercut will pop them like a water baloon or trigger a high-pressure spigot. The added bp you get from feeding off one comes entirely from the potency of the blood rather than actual physical volume. By extension, draining one should take about as much time as a human, though unlike a human, you've also got to drain health levels in order to properly diablerize an elder.