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2015-07-21, 11:26 AM (ISO 8601)
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2015-07-21, 12:21 PM (ISO 8601)
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2015-07-21, 12:32 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: afroakuma's Planar And Other Oddities Questions Thread VI
Are there any official sentient planes/demiplanes out there?
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2015-07-21, 12:36 PM (ISO 8601)
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'Jernau Gurgeh', the machine said, making a sighing noise, 'a guilty system recognises no innocents. … The very way you think places you amongst its enemies. … Prevarication will be more difficult than you might imagine; neutrality is probably impossible. You cannot choose not to have the politics you do; they are not some separate set of entities somehow detachable from the rest of your being; they are a function of your existence. I know that and they know that; you had better accept it.'
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2015-07-22, 12:09 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: afroakuma's Planar And Other Oddities Questions Thread VI
I have read the little piece in the Manual of the Planes about it, but is there any place where I could find more information on Faerie?
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2015-07-22, 01:23 PM (ISO 8601)
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2015-07-22, 02:14 PM (ISO 8601)
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2015-07-22, 02:42 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: afroakuma's Planar And Other Oddities Questions Thread VI
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2015-07-22, 03:47 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: afroakuma's Planar And Other Oddities Questions Thread VI
If you want my take on it: the Plane of Faerie was destroyed in the first Seelie/Unseelie War over Tharizdun's black diamond and broken into smaller, demiplane-like shards. It was a kind of transitive plane, and so are many of its remains. It's hinted and assumed that shadow, mirror and the infinite staircase are remains.
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2015-07-22, 04:19 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: afroakuma's Planar And Other Oddities Questions Thread VI
The World Serpent Inn seems a lot like Sigil, just a tavern instead of a city, and there's no nigh-omnipotent, spiky-haired mystery-lady.
Why is Sigil so much more well-known?
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2015-07-22, 04:35 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: afroakuma's Planar And Other Oddities Questions Thread VI
Much bigger, easier accessible, more natives... just choose one.
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2015-07-23, 05:29 AM (ISO 8601)
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'Jernau Gurgeh', the machine said, making a sighing noise, 'a guilty system recognises no innocents. … The very way you think places you amongst its enemies. … Prevarication will be more difficult than you might imagine; neutrality is probably impossible. You cannot choose not to have the politics you do; they are not some separate set of entities somehow detachable from the rest of your being; they are a function of your existence. I know that and they know that; you had better accept it.'
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2015-07-23, 10:15 AM (ISO 8601)
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2015-07-23, 10:31 AM (ISO 8601)
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One still wonders why no god or archfiend is trying to snatch that piece of real estate though, without a Lady standing on top of it.
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2015-07-23, 10:37 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: afroakuma's Planar And Other Oddities Questions Thread VI
Perhaps the keeper has plenty of connections, making an attack on it something answered by many different parties. No one wants a rival controlling it. In the same way that a small country can remain peaceful between two large empires.
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2015-07-23, 01:54 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: afroakuma's Planar And Other Oddities Questions Thread VI
Besides the Pandorym thing in Elder Evils, is there any example of the Invitables going against the gods? As in, trying to punish a god or to rectify something the gods have done that they see as unlawful?
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2015-07-23, 01:57 PM (ISO 8601)
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2015-07-23, 02:16 PM (ISO 8601)
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i don't think so. At the end of the chapter it says that even if that inevitable is destroyed, the next in its series will try, and than the next... until they succeed in freeing Pandorym. It wasn't even the first in the series to try. So if it was a glitch, it would be one in the creation forge, not the individual inevitable.
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2015-07-23, 02:27 PM (ISO 8601)
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Admittedly it would be hilarious if a Marut went after someone who ascended to god hood, after all that's one way of cheating death. Sadly we have little info on what evaluation goes into flipping the switch to create an inevitable, I doubt you'll be seeing one sent out if you break your lease.
Agreed that one didn't seem to be a glitch, inevitables only working on specific violations etc.
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2015-07-23, 03:22 PM (ISO 8601)
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2015-07-23, 03:44 PM (ISO 8601)
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2015-07-23, 03:51 PM (ISO 8601)
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2015-07-23, 04:55 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: afroakuma's Planar And Other Oddities Questions Thread VI
The difference is: the Prime is made of many crystal spheres that are seperated by phlogiston. Every crystal sphere contains one (or rarely more) worlds. An alternate material plane would be a whole other plane, which would be part of another cosmology. The different multiverses are connected by the shadow plane. A given multiverse could also have more than one standard Material Plane, but the Great Wheel doesn't. Note that crystal spheres are not part of canon 3rd edition and that all settings there are alternate cosmologies.
I hope I could help.Last edited by Tzardok; 2015-07-23 at 04:55 PM.
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2015-07-23, 06:19 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: afroakuma's Planar And Other Oddities Questions Thread VI
I don't think an inevitable would directly assail a god; beyond being futile, it would be an issue for the varakhuts if they were in any way capable of succeeding. Upheaving a god's misbehaviors, on the other hand, perfectly viable.
Alternate Primes are like... parallel universes, as well as those that are less parallel and those that aren't cognate at all. An alternate Prime may have physical and magical rules so vastly distant from the norm that it's impossible to appreciably compare the two, or it might be a world just like this one except where everyone has a fish stuck to their nose.
Crystal spheres are just individual isolated "solar systems" in arcane space.Need a place to hang? Like Discord? Don't mind dealing with a capricious demon lord? Then you're welcome to join our LGBTQ+ friendly, often silly, very geeky server to discuss food, music, video games, tabletop, and much more.
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2015-07-23, 06:21 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: afroakuma's Planar And Other Oddities Questions Thread VI
Aha, I think I begin to see.
To clarify, what's the relationship of planes like Celestia and the Abyss to the Prime Material / crystal spheres? Does each crystal sphere have its own Celestia, or is there one Celestia for the entire Prime that you can get to via plane shift from any crystal sphere, or is there one Celestia that you can get to from any alternate Prime with the proper application of plane shift, or something else?
(Many apologies if this basic-level stuff has already been answered upthread; thread archaeology is harder and more confusing than asking.)
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2015-07-23, 07:04 PM (ISO 8601)
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2015-07-23, 07:26 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: afroakuma's Planar And Other Oddities Questions Thread VI
No; yes; sort of*; technically**.
*Plane Shift isn't strong enough; you need to cross the Plane of Shadow to the Great Wheel's Prime, then find a way to the Astral, and then to Celestia. Or you can cast Plane Shift, but you still need to cross Shadow first. Some varieties of Epic magic might be able to go from one cosmology to another, but any individual spell (even an Epic one) would likely not be able to connect more than a mere two cosmologies, and they'd need to be quite similar, too; using Shadow is much easier, despite being very hard in its own right..
**There are lots of elses, but none are relevant.Last edited by enderlord99; 2015-07-23 at 07:27 PM.
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2015-07-24, 01:48 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: afroakuma's Planar And Other Oddities Questions Thread VI
I can't find the source at the moment, but I remember reading that Mortai from the Happy Hunting Ground of the Beastlands keep a strict mastery over the sky, preventing any spell permitting flight of taking effect.
Would they prevent flight of someone using other means? For example a humanoid druid wild-shaping into an eagle?'Jernau Gurgeh', the machine said, making a sighing noise, 'a guilty system recognises no innocents. … The very way you think places you amongst its enemies. … Prevarication will be more difficult than you might imagine; neutrality is probably impossible. You cannot choose not to have the politics you do; they are not some separate set of entities somehow detachable from the rest of your being; they are a function of your existence. I know that and they know that; you had better accept it.'
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2015-07-24, 03:07 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: afroakuma's Planar And Other Oddities Questions Thread VI
I'd like to know about stuff that basically has a massive "do not touch" sign on it. The big "NO!"s.
Great untapped powers that are too dangerous, taboo and/or too difficult for even the most unwisely ambitious players to go near in the absence of a most compelling reason. Things that would be so bad that even the greatest enemies adhere to a gentlemen's agreement of "lets not go there". Stuff and actions that would get you dog-piled upon by massive inter-planar powerhouses if you even thought about. Scale is variable though.
On the material plane scale, I'm talking things like waking the Tarrasque. On a planar scale, I'm talking things like that one contract forbidding to discuss pre-universe magic. On the deitic scale, I'm talking things like Pandorym, Tharzidun's prison dimension and the well of souls.
Ideally, if you'd be up for it, I'd like to see a top 10 list of things that no reasonable individual/faction/organization/power would and/or should mess with. Would you be up for doing one, please?