View Poll Results: Should Miko lose her paladin powers... AGAIN?

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    Default Is Miko Responsible?

    This board seriously lacks Miko threads thanks to Roy going and getting himself killed. Way to steal the spotlight, Roy.

    So, through convoluted logic, (which Miko anti-fans and Miko fans alike are no stranger to) Miko could be seen as responsible for Roy's death. Should she lose her paladin powers a second time?
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    GOD NO!!! welll maybe... kinda... possibly...
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    Default Re: Is Miko Responsible?

    This is not an accusation.. but just a humorous Theory... so bear with me.

    If it wasn't for Miko killing Shojo, Roy would probably never have jumped on the dragon.. so therefore it is Miko's fault.
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    What do you mean lose them a second time?

    She's already lost her powers. Do you mean that the moment she regains her powers they be stripped immediately?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Axl_Rose View Post
    What do you mean lose them a second time?

    She's already lost her powers. Do you mean that the moment she regains her powers they be stripped immediately?
    I think he's just being sarcastic, and funny.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Axl_Rose View Post
    What do you mean lose them a second time?

    She's already lost her powers. Do you mean that the moment she regains her powers they be stripped immediately?
    No, I'm saying she should have negative paladin powers. Duh.
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    Default Re: Is Miko Responsible?

    If Miko wouldnt have killed Shojo, she would be in the battle right now and wouldnt have let Roy jump up to Xykon because she would have thought he would have plotted against AC with Xykon.

    So yes, it's her fault that he is dead.
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    Oh please, if the Oracle wasn't so anal about answering the question exactly to the specifications of the asker, then Roy wouldn't have phrased the question the way he did, and the city would have been much better prepared. So it's the Oracle's fault.
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    Curse you Miko, why did you have to kill Roy?!
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    Thog bad paladin.
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    By the logic of the people clamoring for Belkar to instantly drop dead just because of some vague statements about his birthday cake and the twisted reasoning that claims he's the cause of Roy's death, Miko is also the cause of Roy's death and should be punished accordingly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Assassinfox View Post
    By the logic of the people clamoring for Belkar to instantly drop dead just because of some vague statements about his birthday cake and the twisted reasoning that claims he's the cause of Roy's death, Miko is also the cause of Roy's death and should be punished accordingly.
    It's also Miko's fault that Xykon attacked in the first place. I dont think i need to explain this any further since the explanation absolutely obvious.
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    Default Re: Is Miko Responsible?

    In OOTS-verse, it seem to take a willful act of evil to lose paladinhood. You don't have to know it's evil, but you have to do it willingly. Miko happened to play into Xykon's schemes by showing him where the key to destroying the world was, not to mention working against the heroes-fated-to-save-the-universe many times, but she didn't do that knowingly or intentionally. She killed Shojo, who registered good to detect evil, intentionally.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brickman View Post
    In OOTS-verse, it seem to take a willful act of evil to lose paladinhood. You don't have to know it's evil, but you have to do it willingly. Miko happened to play into Xykon's schemes by showing him where the key to destroying the world was, not to mention working against the heroes-fated-to-save-the-universe many times, but she didn't do that knowingly or intentionally. She killed Shojo, who registered good to detect evil, intentionally.
    But Belkar is the cause of Roy's death, so following that line of logic, Miko is also the cause of Roy's death. So, Miko should fall for sending another good person to their death.
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    I think rather than Miko falling, a brick should fall.

    From the prison ceiling. Onto her head. And knock some sense into her skull.
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    Wait killing brain cells would be an improvement for Miko?!
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    thog fall off barstool. thog now is "thog the fallen".
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    Quote Originally Posted by NeonRonin View Post
    I think rather than Miko falling, a brick should fall.

    From the prison ceiling. Onto her head. And knock some sense into her skull.
    That would genuinely help, unfortunately, as I wonder if meditating, as she's apparently doing now, is really doing her any good. >_>

    As for whether she's really responsible.....possibly inadvertently, but there's a good deal of others who could be claimed as being partially responsible. This includes Eugene (who is responsible for the Blood Oath, as well as partially responsible for getting Roy and the OoTS brought to Azure City) and Belkar (for giving the ring to Roy).

    But really, responsibility really lies with Roy. He chose to continue to fight Xykon, even when it was horrendously apparent he had no chance of defeating him. While he was given the chance to back down by Xykon and wait until he was stronger before fighting him, Roy refused and insisted on continuing their fight then and there (though, really, it's hard to blame him for that; it would be fairly insulting to accept an invitation to back down from your enemy, let alone the fact that it would basically be the same thing as giving the gate up to Xykon). Xykon was 7-8 levels higher than Roy, meaning he was either Epic level or damn close to it, and on top of that has a, what, +2 CR modifier for being a lich? Roy had no chance of winning. But I digress...

    As for Miko losing her powers again, I really don't think she would. Again, while she could be considered inadverntently responsible for the death of another good person, I think that it's just too much of a stretch for her to be considered responsible enough to lose her powers again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Axl_Rose View Post
    What do you mean lose them a second time?

    She's already lost her powers. Do you mean that the moment she regains her powers they be stripped immediately?
    That would be hilarious.

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    Let's just say basically everything is Miko's fault.
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    Everything that isn't Miko's fault is Belkar's fault. But Elan gets the blame.
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    Because this is such a homorus thread, i voted yes

    But in regards to this

    But really, responsibility really lies with Roy. He chose to continue to fight Xykon, even when it was horrendously apparent he had no chance of defeating him. While he was given the chance to back down by Xykon and wait until he was stronger before fighting him, Roy refused and insisted on continuing their fight then and there (though, really, it's hard to blame him for that; it would be fairly insulting to accept an invitation to back down from your enemy, let alone the fact that it would basically be the same thing as giving the gate up to Xykon). Xykon was 7-8 levels higher than Roy, meaning he was either Epic level or damn close to it, and on top of that has a, what, +2 CR modifier for being a lich? Roy had no chance of winning. But I digress...
    Self sacerfice is not wrong, but murder is. Not that it is logically miko's fault, but don't diss Roy for taking his life to fight an overrly evil lich
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    I think we should invent the "re-fall" just for Miko, and submit it to the spoooky wizards for their approval and inclusion in future works.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EvilElitest View Post
    Because this is such a homorus thread, i voted yes

    But in regards to this


    Self sacerfice is not wrong, but murder is. Not that it is logically miko's fault, but don't diss Roy for taking his life to fight an overrly evil lich
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    I'm not dissing Roy. I believe he did the right thing. I'm simply saying that his death was due to his own choices, and you really can't blame anyone else for what happened. I also don't recall where murder comes into this, unless you're referring to Xykon killing Roy. I'm a gigantic Roy fan myself; I'm simply saying you can't blame anyone other than him and Xykon for his death. Xykon is the one that causes his death; Roy is the one who led to that being the cause.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Setra View Post
    I think he's just being sarcastic, and funny.
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    No. And for one reason only. She's already fallen! You can't lose your paladin powers twice without regaining them in between. Think people, think.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Duke Malagigi View Post
    No. And for one reason only. She's already fallen! You can't lose your paladin powers twice without regaining them in between. Think people, think.
    She's gonna lose them all the way into the negative and spontaneously gain Blackguard powers!
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    Not necessarily a Blackguard...

    {table]
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    Detect Evil|
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    Smite Evil|
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    Summon Windstriker|
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    |Beat the Dead Horse

    Charisma Bonus[br]to Saves|
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    |Bonus to Saves[br]Against Charisma

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