Hearthstone 12: Costs (1) less for every poster in this thread.

[Zevox]

Welcome to twelfth GitP thread for Hearthstone. For anyone who doesn't know, Hearthstone is a video card game from Blizzard, based on the Warcraft series. The game is free to play and available here, so if you're interested, give it a shot. You've got nothing to lose but your free time.

For new players, something to be aware of is that there are a number of hidden "quests" you can complete which will give you free gold, dust, or even a pack. A complete list can be found here. Be aware that not quite all of those are ones you'll be able to complete quickly though.

And here is a list of Playgrounders currently in the game, for both NA and EU servers:

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GitP Username	Battle.net ID (US)
aethernox	ethernox#1948
AgentPaper	AgentPaper#1193
AmberVael	AmberVael#1225
Antonok	Antonok#1704
Anxe	GoCorral#1879
Baelot	Baelot#1149
Cogwheel	OmegaNixon#1123
banthesun	banthesun#1782
Dancing Owlbear	Owlbear#1586
Destro Yersul	DestroYersul#1239
D_Lord	Volrock#1367
Duck999	Duck999#1349
Duos	DoctorDapper#1491
Firedaemon33	Firedaemon#1486
Fleeing Coward	Scorch#1432
GAAD	GAAD#1126
Gamerlord	Gamerlord#1612
Gandariel	Ciabatta#2958
Ganorenas	Ganorenas#1457
Gray Mage	GrayMage#1723
Grytorm	Grytorm#1777
Hamste	Theorules#1234
Hatevah	Hatevah#1405
Hircine	IllusiveMan#1616
jindra34	JinRia #1770
Johnjimco	JohnJimco#1482
Karoht	Karoht#1505
Kish	Grazzt#1417
Krade	Krade#1266
LegoShrimp	legoshrimp#1722
Landis963	Landis963#1789
Loreweaver15	Loreweaver#1199
Lunix Vandal	LunixVandal#1952
MacGiolla	MacGiolla#1982
MathMage	MathMage#1797
mistformsquirrl	mistformsqrl#1430
Mystic Muse	NSFJunkblade#1400
Neon Knight	VultureCrook#1434
Nerocite	JoeKage#1852
nhbdy	Nohbdy#1927
Olinser	Olinser#1393
Onionbreath	GiantSquid#1845
otakuryoga	Scootaloo#1471
Pokonic	pokonic#1166
Qwertystop	Qwertystop#1897
r2d2go	r2d2go#1262
Rosstin	Rosstin#1609
SamBurke	SamBurke#1486
Shishnarfne	Gruschenka#1375
Stabbity Rabbit	StabityRabit#1362
Temotei	Temotei#1507
Thanatos 51-50	Thanatos5150#1407
TheGlyphstone	Glyphstone#1419
The Hellbug	thehellbug#1216
The_Jackal	TheJackal#1499
Togarth	Asparag#1680
Trouble Brewing	HairyPoppins#1949
UserClone	UserClone #1545
Volatar	Volatar#1750
Yana	Raltis#1807
ZeroNumerous	ZeroNumerous#1913
Zevox	Zevox#1522
Zmek	JadeReaver #1783

GitP Username	Battle.net ID (EU)
Adumbration	Adumbration#2419
Avilan the Grey	Beardedgeek#2355
boomwolf	BoomWolf#1169
Dada	Scrattlebear#2863
D-naras	Dinos #2811
Epinephrine_Syn	SilverSeraph #2931
Fleeing Coward	Scorch#1432
Frog Dragon	Vasemmasti#2618
FyreByrd	FyreByrd#2962
Gandariel	Ciabatta#2958
GolemsVoice	CrazyCat#29897
Hewhosaysfish	HeWhoSezFish#2503
Hippie_Viking	HippieViking#2866
Infernally Clay	Winny#1904
Jormengand	Trianna#2529
Lionheart	Lionheart#2440
Murmaider	Murmaider#2273
Raddish	Raddish#2730
ScionoftheVoid	JayPsi#2775
ShinyRocks	MoodyTuskarr#2790
Silfir	Silfir#2863
SlyGuyMcFly	SlGuyMcFly#2562
Volthawk	Volthawk#1214
Weimann	Weimann#2716
Wraith	Illusionist#2224
Xiander	Xiander#2814

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Well, looks like the Mountain Giant reference won our title vote this time. Pity, I actually liked "Everyone! Get in here!" myself. Oh well.

IT looks like another adventure or expansion is on the horizon. http://www.pcgamer.com/next-hearthst...d-for-july-22/

Wow, that was quick. Or it feels like it, anyway. It'll be nice to see a full new card set (which I'd assume is what it will be, since we just had an adventure), but I really hope this is also when they'll add a new class, too.

[Destro_Yersul]

Someone in the link was guessing that they might add tournament mode in this expansion, since the music in some teaser clip or other was from the Argent Tournament.

[Fleeing Coward]

Clearly that just means we're getting an Argent Tournament/Lich King adventure since there isn't enough bosses in just the Lich King raid

[Gandariel]

So, months have passed and dragon decks don't seem to pick up any popularity.

You see Malygos Warlock sometimes, and attempts at Dragon Paladin/Warrior/Priest have been made, but none really worked.

I haven't seen Nefarian played against me in a long time, (and let us not mention Chromaggus ).

Apparently only Emperor and Patron have been successful (and maybe some other card I'm forgetting ).

Overall I suppose the expansion was a bit of a failure. We'll see about the next one.

Edit: oh, Flamewaker and Quick Shot. Yeah, still. Only some individually good cards, (which did revive some deck archetypes) and one new deck everyone hates, but the big thing (dragon decks) is still missing

[Destro_Yersul]

I think it might be that there's still just not enough good dragons. Out of 31 new cards in Blackrock, only 8 are dragons, and 2 of those are class specific. Half of them are, I think, constructed-level good. There's more in the classic set - 9 total, most of which are legendary. Once we get some more good dragons, I expect to see the decks come back.

[Zevox]

I think it might be that there's still just not enough good dragons. Out of 31 new cards in Blackrock, only 8 are dragons, and 2 of those are class specific. Half of them are, I think, constructed-level good. There's more in the classic set - 9 total, most of which are legendary. Once we get some more good dragons, I expect to see the decks come back.

From my own attempts at Dragon decks, I think that's exactly the problem. Needing to either pad out a constructed deck with mediocre cards like Faerie Dragon or Dragonkin Sorcerer, or attempt to put Twilight Drakes into decks that aren't able to support them, or even put Azure Drakes into Paladin decks (which get less out of them due to a dearth of damage-dealing spells) is the big problem with them right now.

And actually, I think another is that one of the synergy cards, Blackwing Technician, just isn't that good. 3/5 for 3 sounds strong in theory, but I rarely found it felt strong when played in constructed. Blackwing Corruptor is obviously great, but if Fire Elemental can't keep Shaman from being the least-used class in the game, it shouldn't be surprising that he can't carry a deck all on his own.

[Kish]

We've just had the primary dragon-themed expansion, so probably this is as prominent as dragon decks will get.

[Landis963]

I shall be running an experiment this month: How much gold can I accumulate over the course of a season? As such, I will be barring myself from buying new cards or arena runs or adventure wings until August, and therefore new cards will have to come from dust. What, in your opinion, is a list of cards to auto-dust?

[Gray Mage]

We've just had the primary dragon-themed expansion, so probably this is as prominent as dragon decks will get.

I feel one good dragon card can change things up. Demonlock was very niche until Imp Gang Boss showed up.

[Hamste]

So I just played a game where I drew 11 more cards than my opponent but because I kept getting starving buzzards and they kept getting good cards I lost.

[Landis963]

A very profuse thank-you to Gandariel for walking me through disenchanting, helping me build a Zoolock deck with my newfound dust, and coaching me back onto the ladder.

[Zevox]

We've just had the primary dragon-themed expansion, so probably this is as prominent as dragon decks will get.

Very bad logic, that. Blackrock having a Dragon theme in no way means they won't release more Dragon or Dragon-synergy cards - if anything, the fact that Blackrock failed to make Dragon decks a thing when it was clearly intended to may encourage them to do exactly that. And it may well not take much to make them viable. Some of the Dragon and Dragon synergy cards from Blackrock were genuinely strong (Blackwing Corruptor, Dragon Consort, Hungry Dragon to a lesser extent) and other strong Dragons have existed for a while (Azure Drake, Twilight Drake, various legendaries). They need something more for the theme to be viable, but even one card can make or break an entire deck: see Grim Patron reviving combo Warrior for the first time since Warsong Commander was nerfed, or Miracle Rogue vanishing because Gadgetzan Auctioneer's cost got bumped up by 1. I'd expect we will see them, one day, it's just a question of when Blizzard decides to try again.

What, in your opinion, is a list of cards to auto-dust?

Everything from the Hunter class?

Seriously, I actually do that. And if you're new, I would recommend picking the classes you least like and just auto-disenchanting things you get from those so you can focus on the ones you do. I did that with Hunter, Rogue, and Warrior back when I started (have since ceased to do it for Rogue and Warrior), and it certainly helped. Though you may consider keeping good legendaries or epics, if you think you might one day want to play the decks they're used in, just because those are so much harder to get ahold of than commons and rares.

[Weimann]

If the next expansion is Argent Tournament or Icecrown, then I'm sure Sindragosa would be a card. Then again, another high-end legendary isn't what dragon decks need.

[Pokonic]

Given the new heroes, I can't help but think this will be in the same vein as Goblins vs. Gnomes, because the Argent Tournament would work much better as another adventure, as apposed to a entire expansion, and we already have a undead-themed expansion. Pirates vs. Ninja's seem to be the go-to choice; the main advantage to that being true, from what I can tell, would be that it could cover two of the setting's main expansions.

The 'pirates' could include various creatures associated with water in general; Northrend has the Tuskarr, Gorlocs, and Vrykul, which are walrus-people, powerful murlocs, and half giant vikings respectively. On the other hand, the 'ninjas' could easily cover much of Pandaria in general. It could be a very efficient release!

[Kish]

The Argent Tournament didn't have nearly enough bosses to qualify as an adventure.

Icecrown Citadel did, but it might have too much similarity to Naxxramas. We have an undead-themed adventure (Naxxramas); the only expansion we've had so far is Goblins vs. Gnomes.

[The Glyphstone]

I could see a full-on Snows of Northrend expansion. Undead, Vrykul, Kvaldir, Gorlocs, Tuskarr, Earthen and Iron Dwarves - lots of variety there.

And it could lead into an Ulduar adventure, which would be the Best Thing Ever.

[Destro_Yersul]

We've just had the primary dragon-themed expansion, so probably this is as prominent as dragon decks will get.

Caverns of Time involves the Bronze dragonflight pretty heavily, so we could see some more if they do that. I expect there'll be more dragon cards here and there as time goes on.

[Rosstin]

Imagine if Ragnaros, Kel-thuzad, and Sneeds were dragons. THEN Dragon Decks would work. That sounds a bit crazy but it could totally happen in the sense that, Blizzard just needs to release some good legendary dragons down the line and we could be back in business. I feel like another really good synergy card could make it happen, too.

[Mando Knight]

Imagine if Ragnaros, Kel-thuzad, and Sneeds were dragons. THEN Dragon Decks would work. That sounds a bit crazy but it could totally happen in the sense that, Blizzard just needs to release some good legendary dragons down the line and we could be back in business. I feel like another really good synergy card could make it happen, too.

A Dragon on par with El Señor Bum would make a dragon deck almost-viable all on its own.

[Zevox]

Imagine if Ragnaros, Kel-thuzad, and Sneeds were dragons. THEN Dragon Decks would work.

A Dragon on par with El Señor Bum would make a dragon deck almost-viable all on its own.

I wouldn't be sure of that at all. I don't think lack of strong late-game is Dragon decks' problem right now. If anything, it's the reverse: all of the good Dragon cards are cost 4+, and the one cheaper synergy card, Blackwing Technician, doesn't seem strong enough. (Well, there is Twilight Whelp, but its problem is that having it and another Dragon on turn 1 is kind of hard without more good Dragons in general - and much like Zombie Chow, it only really shines on turn 1, since a 2/3 for 1 much later than that rarely has a significant impact.)

[Landis963]

Everything from the Hunter class?

Seriously, I actually do that. And if you're new, I would recommend picking the classes you least like and just auto-disenchanting things you get from those so you can focus on the ones you do. I did that with Hunter, Rogue, and Warrior back when I started (have since ceased to do it for Rogue and Warrior), and it certainly helped. Though you may consider keeping good legendaries or epics, if you think you might one day want to play the decks they're used in, just because those are so much harder to get ahold of than commons and rares.

Can't afford to do that with more than two classes, not if I'm to wring the max amount of gold out of this month's playtime.

[Gandariel]

I wouldn't be sure of that at all. I don't think lack of strong late-game is Dragon decks' problem right now. If anything, it's the reverse: all of the good Dragon cards are cost 4+, and the one cheaper synergy card, Blackwing Technician, doesn't seem strong enough. (Well, there is Twilight Whelp, but its problem is that having it and another Dragon on turn 1 is kind of hard without more good Dragons in general - and much like Zombie Chow, it only really shines on turn 1, since a 2/3 for 1 much later than that rarely has a significant impact.)

Agreed. Even if all the 8+ cards in the game became Dragons it wouldn't matter.

There are enough solid high end Dragons: What we need is *low* cost stuff

[Grytorm]

Well, today I did something stupid. I crafted a second Steemweedle Sniper for a horrible controlish beast hunter. It runs a Core Hound and two Tundra Rhino. Note Tundra Rhino if it sticks does really scary things, it isn't really good, but it is kind of good.

[MacGiolla]

So I had one of my craziest matches ever. I am playing a warrior control dragon deck. I was playing a priest who got lore walker cho from a shredder. Emperor Thurrasian got mind controlled back and forth three times. My opponent made a pretty good move by playing off a couple of shield slams to fill up my hand before the final mind control.

A chromaggnus gave me two shield maidens that allowed me to use those shield slams to clear his board. A power word death that cho gave me helped to seal the win.

Not really doing it justice but fortunately my brother was spectating so I had a witness.

[AmberVael]

I decided to do a Hunter Arena, and scooped 7 wins with it. This makes the third time in a row I've managed 7 wins with hunter, and before that... I'm pretty sure before that was actually my first hunter arena. I guess I'm saying I don't play hunter in arena much (or in constructed, for that matter- I despise hunter) but for some reason (luck?) I seem to be doing quite decently with it.

I'm a little weirded out.

[Grytorm]

On a whim I decided to test this deck-list out. Any prediction on how far I can rise while I play this? Currently at rank seventeen.

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2 Timberwolf
2 Young Dragonhawk
2 Freezing Trap
2 Haunted Creeper
2 Mad Scientist
2 Ironbeak Owl
2 Loot Hoarder
2 Eaglehorn Bow
2 Animal Companion
2 Kill Command
1 Unleash the Hounds
2 Gnomish Inventor
1 Houndmaster
2 Sludge Belcher
2 Tundra Rhino
1 Antique Healbot
1 Emperor Thaurissan

[Gandariel]

Your deck doesn't know what It wants to do.

Thaurissan is simply wrong, it's definitely the wrong kind of deck to use it. No expensive cards, no expensive combos.

Healbot has a similar feel to me. Why?

I would just remove both and add Highmanes (if you don't have them, pretty much any good offensive cards for the slot will do)

Definitely add a second Hound master. Really strong, and you have more than enough beasts to ensure he works.

Dragon hawk and Timber... well. I'll tell you that is too weak to work as a combo, but you probably already know that. :P

incidentally, those cards were important combo pieces back when UtH was very very overpowered. It used to cost 2 and say " your beasts gain +1 Attack and Charge".

Games ended on turn seven when Buzzard (several 1-cost creatures )- UtH hit.

(Buzzard was a 2-mana 2/2, by the way)

Anyways. I would add Glaivezooka for more combo. And because it's a good card

So in short, Glauvezooka, Hound master, Highmane IN. Emperor, Healbot, (whatever) out

[otakuryoga]

aye..you should never have a full hand for emperor to hit with his power

maybe change him to Loatheb (or highmane as said)

[Anxe]

I'I'd bet rank 15 for that deck.

[Zevox]

incidentally, those cards were important combo pieces back when UtH was very very overpowered. It used to cost 2 and say " your beasts gain +1 Attack and Charge".

Actually, it was cost 1 when it did that.

(Buzzard was a 2-mana 2/2, by the way)

Was it a 2/2 at some point? I only ever recall it being a 2/1.