Would you introduce the Matrix Sequels to a world that doesnt have them?

[Cikomyr]

There are talks about alternate realities, and longtime internet Comedian SFDebris mentionned in a joke that itd be nice, if we ever contact alternate universes, if we could get the complete Firefly tv series (in a universe it wasn't cancelled) and Sarah Connor, while we could send them our great long-time shows that were cancelled in their universe (like MASH or DS9).

Now.. What if we received a message "in our universe, the Wachowski Brothers died before they could start filming their Matrix Sequels. We hoped you had them on your end, that movie was so popular people cant wait for its sequel!!"

Would you send it?

Do you think what Reloaded/Revolution added to the franchise is more than what it subtracted?

[Fragenstein]

I'd probable hand them over. I actually liked how

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Neo was just a plant by the computer overlords, and that they periodically allowed humanity to rise and fall to maintain order.

I thought it was creative. Plus the series sends a serious message in that if you let your revolutionary army party all night and then fight the next day sleep deprived and hungover, you're probably going to lose.

[Cikomyr]

Its just...

The first Matrix was not about the Human/Machine war. It was a backdrop to the movie's core story: Neo's journey of self discovery.

It was about Neo removing the lies that clouded his mind (first by the Machines, then by himself) until he finally reached Enlightnement. Once he reached the endpoint, once he was the One.. Well, that was it.

If you wanted the resolution of the Machine/Human conflict, well.. The Matrix wasnt about that. And continuing what was effectively a self contained story kind of detracted from that pure, undiluted journey we went with Neo.

[Kitten Champion]

Sure, I didn't hate the sequels. They're flawed certainly, but it's an interesting sort of flawed rather than the "I don't give a **** because I haz all the moneyz!!!1" of a Michael Bay where I feel dumber from the experience of watching a soulless cash-in on some marketable title.

That, and it is the Wachowski's movie and that of the countless people who worked on it. I think it would be kind of petty to hide it away in some dusty drawer simply because of my supposed critical disdain for it and the fact that it's in my possession.

[Rodin]

I'd probably drop Revolution. Reloaded didn't have a lot of great stuff in it, but the Smith fight and the highway sequence make the movie worthwhile. Plus, I actually really liked the Architect.

Revolution was just terrible though. Hugo Weaving did his best, but even he couldn't save that one.

[Thrudd]

After reading this guy's essays analyzing both Reloaded and Revolutions, I had a much more favorable attitude toward what the Wachowskis did. It is not so much about the technical film making aspect, which can be criticized on its own, but that these movies do appear to have a consistent message although it may be quite dense and deeply embedded in symbolism.

http://www.wylfing.net/essays/matrix_reloaded.html

http://www.wylfing.net/essays/matrix_revolutions.html

[Bulldog Psion]

I'd probably respond: "Sequels? What sequels? Never heard of 'em."

[-D-]

I'd probably respond: "Sequels? What sequels? Never heard of 'em."

All hail big brother. There never was a matrix.

[JoshL]

Yes, without question. I hated the second one when it came out. Years later I sat down and watched all three. I actually like the series as a whole more than I liked the first as a stand-alone film.

[danzibr]

Yes.

I think more joy would be derived from the sequels than there would be anti-joy from purists who hate them.

[Aotrs Commander]

No, because I'd be too busy looking through said alternate realities to find the "best versions", the paragons, as it were, of various franchises, shows and movies (there is no reason to assume that this reality is the one that did stuff best, of course. Nor is there a reason to presume that in another reality, the Matrix sequels couldn't have been good.)

With priority first given to cancelled shows like Invader Zim, Young justice, B5 Crusade...

Or for Star Fleet (Star Fleet X-Bomber in the US), which was going to have a second season, but there was a fire in the production facility so it never happened.

[Giggling Ghast]

I would give them Jupiter Ascending, then ask again if they truly wanted the Matrix sequels.

[Velaryon]

I'd give them the movies, but let them know that they aren't even close to as good as the original. While I didn't find either one very entertaining, they aren't the worst things ever by a long shot.

[Peelee]

Nope. Always leave 'em wanting more, I say. Better to die as the hero then live as the villain.

[Zmeoaice]

What about the Animatrix?

[Starwulf]

Like Aotrs, I'd be far to busy trying to find universes where some of my favorite shows not only didn't get cancelled, but went on to actually be entirely finished: Forever, Kyle XY, Fringe, The River, Siberia, The 11th Hour, My own Worst Enemy, Lie To Me and quite a few more.

If I had to though, yeah quite happily, I rather enjoyed both, though I liked the third more then the second.

Edit: Remembered one more, one that I really don't understand why it was cancelled considering it's ratings: Terra Nova. It has a 2.5 rating and averaged 7.2mil viewers, and a flat 2 is generally the cut-off for new shows. It was ranked as the #2 New drama show amongst viewers 18-49, and yet it got cancelled. >< Stupid Hollywood.

[BWR]

Matrix?
As far as I know, the only two fictional Matrices are the Time Lords' super computer/database and the Autobot Matrix of Leadership. I'm pretty sure those are the only two.

More seriously, the first movie was rather pretty and worked well enough until Neo woke up in the real world, at which point it got really bad. Other than that the movies were a mess and far too impressed with their own 'cleverness' and the only half-way decent character there was Agent Smith, exaggerated and silly as he was. I wanted everyone else to die horribly.

[veti]

More seriously, the first movie was rather pretty and worked well enough until Neo woke up in the real world, at which point it got really bad. Other than that the movies were a mess and far too impressed with their own 'cleverness' and the only half-way decent character there was Agent Smith, exaggerated and silly as he was. I wanted everyone else to die horribly.

I agree. I disliked the first movie, loathed the second and just sneered at the third.

Agent Smith was by far the most interesting character, but d i d n ' t space y o u space w i s h space h e space w o u l d space j u s t space s p e a k spacea space l i t t l e space f a s t e r? He must've been valedictorian for his class from the James T Kirk School of Acting.

[Hiro Protagonest]

If nothing else, bad movies should exist so we can point out what they did wrong and what they managed to do right.

[Chen]

Edit: Remembered one more, one that I really don't understand why it was cancelled considering it's ratings: Terra Nova. It has a 2.5 rating and averaged 7.2mil viewers, and a flat 2 is generally the cut-off for new shows. It was ranked as the #2 New drama show amongst viewers 18-49, and yet it got cancelled. >< Stupid Hollywood.

This one had a very interesting finale too. The problem here is that it wasn't a standard new show, but one that was apparently VERY expensive to make. I think they needed higher than standard ratings to accommodate for that.

[-D-]

To be honest, I thought they were pretty much Ok, but horribly goofy.

[Grotd]

I don't see why not. Opinion is subjective after all and maybe they'd like it over in that universe. Personally, I like Reloaded. But that's just my opinion and I don't want this thread to go off on a big which films were good argument. I'm just saying maybe they would like those films so why not.

[Psyren]

I would so they can be just as miserable as the primary timeline

Then maybe their best minds (including alternate me) would be driven to help me refine this reality-hopping technology, so we can find one where the sequels and video games were actually good, and spread those across the multiverse.

No, I'm not bitter, why do you ask?

[Admiral Squish]

An interesting question.
I'd say yes. They weren't TERRIBLE, and they do have a cool overarching story, even if the second two aren't as good, and the overall science bugs the crap out of me.
I would definitely give them the Animatrix, though.

A counter-question:
Same situation, but alt-earth asks for the Star Wars Prequels.

[-D-]

A counter-question:
Same situation, but alt-earth asks for the Star Wars Prequels.

Sure, just edit Jar Jar out. No universe deserves Jar-Jar. Unless he is frozen in carbonite and sent into the Sun.

[Kitten Champion]

A counter-question:
Same situation, but alt-earth asks for the Star Wars Prequels.

I would say... yes, but would anyone ask for Star Wars prequels absent knowledge of their existence? The Matrix I could understand because the central conflict of Man versus Machine really isn't concluded, a sequel may be considered unnecessary but it's not unreasonable in much the same way Terminator or Alien kept going when they really didn't have to logically. However, did we really get anything out of the prequel trilogy that we were just chomping at the bit to know prior to it?

More generally, Star Wars absent Lucas as the creative force works just fine, better in many cases. Lucas dying and leaving the film rights to someone else could easily have led to what Disney is doing years earlier and without the prequel-era tainting it, in much the same way Roddenberry leaving TNG led to its golden age.

[Lethologica]

I would say... yes, but would anyone ask for Star Wars prequels absent knowledge of their existence?

Yes. Everyone and their cousin has at least heard of the presumably badass Clone Wars; some portion of those people would want a story about those wars.

[Dienekes]

Its just...

The first Matrix was not about the Human/Machine war. It was a backdrop to the movie's core story: Neo's journey of self discovery.

It was about Neo removing the lies that clouded his mind (first by the Machines, then by himself) until he finally reached Enlightnement. Once he reached the endpoint, once he was the One.. Well, that was it.

If you wanted the resolution of the Machine/Human conflict, well.. The Matrix wasnt about that. And continuing what was effectively a self contained story kind of detracted from that pure, undiluted journey we went with Neo.

Eh, I mean the same could be said of Luke Skywalker in Star Wars. We see him grow as a man and finally completely trust in the Force to save the day.

I still want to see him actually take down the Empire though.

[Cikomyr]

Eh, I mean the same could be said of Luke Skywalker in Star Wars. We see him grow as a man and finally completely trust in the Force to save the day.

I still want to see him actually take down the Empire though.

Not really. Destroying the Death Star is one of the main focus of the first movie. The intro is about it, the McGuffin is about it, and the climax is about it.

In the same way, the third movie is a lot about killing the Emperor. We are told he will be there in the very first scene. He appears throughout the movie, and its made clear he is the objective of the whole mission that the climax is leading to. Also, he is the main obstacle to Darth Vader's redemption, which can only be achieved through his death.

Only the second movie is about Luke's journey of self-discovery, of his past and his abilities. When he abandon that journey for selfish reasons (that he believes are selffless), he almost lose everything by further revelations he was not ready to learn.

Please note that "destruction of something Imperial" is hardly the focus of the second movie. Its mostly a character piece on Luke and Han/Leia. More driven by characters than actions.

[Rodin]

The only good things to come out of the Star Wars prequels were the Genndy Tartakovsky cartoon and the Obi-Wan/Qui-Gon/Darth Maul fight. I'd probably save those and bring only that to the parallel universe, only to watch them Pandora's Box themselves into horror as they disbelieve that the best lightsaber fights in the series come from the FIRST movie in the trilogy and a series of 3-minute cartoons and watch the prequels anyway.

For my part, I'd be searching for the parallel movies which start with the Clone Wars in progress (opening crawl for exposition explanation) and has Anakin Skywalker crippled within the first 30 minutes, then spends the rest of the movies examining his descent into the Dark Side as the Emperor exerts more and more influence and corrupts him. And yes, I mean the Emperor, not Senator Palpatine. No "Force lightning'ed into looking evil" bull, he looks evil because he's freaking EVIL and the Dark Side does that to you.

In other words, the backstory of Darth Vader that we all wanted, not the backstory of whiny kid Anakin Skywalker. A movie showing how he got the suit, and then two movies of Darth Vader being awesome.