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2015-08-02, 04:31 PM (ISO 8601)
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Exotic Elementals
I've been watching this, http://video.pbs.org/program/uranium...-dragons-tail/
And it struck me. Firstly, if Redcloak made a Uranium elemental, it wouldn't be 235, because that's REALLY rare, but rather 238.
Also, it would shoot energy from itself, but each it does it, it turns into another elemental. And some of those elementals would be gasseus. It would have 26 shots until it became a significantly smaller and stable lead elemental.
Details here, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uraniu...nium_series.29
You'll notice that there are several radioactive isotopes of lead in this series.http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showt...6#post15476516
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2015-08-02, 05:24 PM (ISO 8601)
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... and/or it could sacrifice a certain number of HP to create a (weak) elemental generated randomly from the fission-products distribution.
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2015-08-02, 06:18 PM (ISO 8601)
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uranium decay in over 4 billion years, so the rate of transformation into other elements is negligible. You may want to try other, less stable elements.
i'm not sure what the chosen isotope of plutonium would be, since it does not exist in nature (well, except one isotope of which there are a handful of atoms left from the earth formation, but three atoms per cubic meters is not much to say it exist in nature), but it is possible that a plutonium elemental would undergo spontaneous fission instantly after summoning.In memory of Evisceratus: he dreamed of a better world, but he lacked the class levels to make the dream come true.
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2015-08-03, 02:06 AM (ISO 8601)
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2015-08-03, 03:54 AM (ISO 8601)
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Since some people creates Reactionals, I assume it can be done :D
I remember discussions about Redcloak's chemical grades. Some people were assuming he barely passed.Posting from France
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2015-08-03, 07:39 AM (ISO 8601)
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2015-08-03, 09:14 AM (ISO 8601)
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2015-08-03, 09:32 AM (ISO 8601)
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I see these variant elemental summonings as fluff for Summons with metamagic and augment summoning applied descriptively. (perhaps some feat or variant that's 'homebrew') At any rate, I would imagine that whatever the mechanics, summoning a Titanium Elemental takes a higher level slot than summoning a normal 'Earth' Elemental.
Summoning a Plutonium Elemental would take a higher slot still.Last edited by Aasimar; 2015-08-03 at 09:33 AM.
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2015-08-03, 10:41 AM (ISO 8601)
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I always thought they were balanced somehow.
Redcloak mentions that the Titanium Elementals are lighter than the Earth Elemental. That's useful for throwing them, that would be useful for fighting on not-very-solid ground, but not in many other cases.
If Redcloak had to summon lower elementals (while using the same spell slots) in order to throw them that far, he could as well summon lower Earth Elementals (weight decreases/increases quickly with their size) or fire catapults from closer (would be exposing them though, but he's going to do it anyway).
The Chlorine Elemental did not insta-kill Tsukiko, so it's poison damage must have a limit (like a lot of damages in D&D world, non-magical fire for instance do not obey to our logic), probably depending of it's type (size category).
The Silicium Elemental could probably be compared to a Water Elemental fighting on a shore. He's not using tricks like hiding in sand though. It seemed like a very serious threat, but it wasn't possible to tell if any attack was working on it (no scratch) while they were. It probably had DR but was fought only with physical damages and Roy couldn't even fight with his sword the whole time (with DR, one big hit is way more effective than multiple small hits).
In D&D, a Plutonium Elemental would probably not have the same properties that an huge amount of Plutonium in open space in our real world. That would be broken.Posting from France
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2015-08-03, 11:55 AM (ISO 8601)
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He could summon a Surprise Elemental... No one would see that coming.
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No one expects the Inquisition Elemental.
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2015-08-04, 08:51 AM (ISO 8601)
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Fat Man contained about 14lb (6kg) of Plutonium, and the weights given for small creatures are 8-60lb, so yeah even your average Small Plutomium elemental would be extremely devastating. I hate to think what what happen if an 8 ton Huge plutonium elemental was summoned.
On another note, the elemental plane of Plutonium must be an interesting place, indeed.
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2015-08-04, 10:28 AM (ISO 8601)
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In terms of immediate damage, probably not much worse than the small one, to be honest--the explosion would disperse most of the plutonium before it had a chance to participate in the energy release. Of course, you then have 8 tons of highly radioactive plutonium scattered across a wide area, which wouldn't be pleasant.
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2015-08-04, 10:57 AM (ISO 8601)
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Maybe U/Pu elementals could be accompanied by some Boron elementals... Or perhaps there's a divine restriction, and Transuranic elementals cannot be summoned where there is life.
A Magnesium elemental might be interesting - good armour class and hit points, low damage per hit, but you really don't want to hit it with a fireball.
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It's so cool that people are taking this seriously.
Firstly, U235 and U238 are both uranium and chemically exactly the same. One is just a teeny tiny bit heavier than the other. So specifying which isoltope you want, you'd have to use enough magic to simulate a centrafuge and the people to run it.
Also, I understand that there are such things as half-lives. But I doubt people would be willing to wait for billions of six-second combat rounds. So I figure that the elemental can get it all over with at once causing a goodly amount of heat damage per transmutation. But some of the heat would be used to power the magic that would make it possible. Then there's poison effects.
But that's just me. Anything that sounds cool's O.K.http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showt...6#post15476516
I know I'm stealing this from someone else. But it's SO FUNNY
Zweisteine quoting Razanir:
"I am a human sixtyfourthling! Fear my minimal halfling ancestry!"
From: Razanir
Bagnold could be one sixty-fourth halfling.
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2015-08-04, 02:54 PM (ISO 8601)
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I imagine the Elemental Plane of Uranium, being infinite and all, has enough of all the isotopes to go around.
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2015-08-05, 02:36 AM (ISO 8601)
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How about summoning a Hydrogen Elemental, and then casting Implosion on it?
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2015-08-05, 03:09 AM (ISO 8601)
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Pretty sure that's the case, yes. It's also why the largest fission bombs ever created never got into the megaton yield range--you have to include a fusion stage to get to those levels. In point of fact, I'm pretty sure that if you just put a pile of plutonium greater than the critical mass on the ground, you'd get a "fizzle" (e.g. a nuclear explosion where the chain reaction didn't run to completion) because the heat and pressures of the reaction would blow the mass apart before it properly got going; all real-world nuclear devices have used conventional explosives in either a gun or implosion setup in order to force the critical mass to hold together long enough for the chain reaction to really get going.
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2015-08-05, 02:33 PM (ISO 8601)
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I know I'm stealing this from someone else. But it's SO FUNNY
Zweisteine quoting Razanir:
"I am a human sixtyfourthling! Fear my minimal halfling ancestry!"
From: Razanir
Bagnold could be one sixty-fourth halfling.
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2015-08-21, 07:21 PM (ISO 8601)
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At the risk of resurrecting a better-dead thread,
U235 has the weird property of not wanting to exist (actinium is worse in this regard). A U235 only elemental would quickly try to become two elementals of about half the size of the previous one trying to occupy the same space at the same time. Not even safe for the person who created it.http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showt...6#post15476516
I know I'm stealing this from someone else. But it's SO FUNNY
Zweisteine quoting Razanir:
"I am a human sixtyfourthling! Fear my minimal halfling ancestry!"
From: Razanir
Bagnold could be one sixty-fourth halfling.