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    between him not having a soul on him, being able to use the ability's of spirits, and being able to change his class/abilities at seemingly will...

    i dunno. he had to have done something that altered the laws of reality for them, wich is what the ripple is.killed/absorbed some powerful spirit that held physics together or something?
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    I don't really know what the Ripple is. Perhaps someone more perceptive caught on enough hints for a theory, but beyond Ardon messing up with the world's "rules" somehow, I don't know what he did :P

    Also, I'm more in band with the theory that he actually doesn't *change* his classes and skills at will, but rather he simply has more stuff than he should. After all, the "random" stuff he seems to have is somewhat constant: Thunderwave, the bardic whatevers, and the ability to mess with spirits in general. I think the "I retrained my class/skills" is merely a lie he says to everyone else.

    edit for wild theory: maybe, since he (and in the case he really) hasn't any soul, his body is like a soul-black-hole... whatever the Ripple is, its effect on him is letting him absorb spirits and appropriate their abilities. Thunderwave, the bard stuffs... his owlbear-related abilities, maybe all of them belonged to a different being, like incite terror belonged to the Nightmare spirit?

    edit#2: maybe he swallowed the patron deity of owlbears O:

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    It's silly how abandoning his party in this situation actually makes the most strategical sense for Ardon, and he can actually justify it. He can later say he somehow knew about the owlbear -it's the kind of thing Ardon would lie about-, and retreated in order to regroup and then free his party once they were all distracted by Torrin's interrogation, arguing that he would know his brother would take his time chatting before ultimately killing them off. And since he'll (maybe) save their lives once again, they won't be able to complain :P

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    I begin to see why Ardon is so disdainful of Torrin; part previous experience with Torrin, part genre savvy - the villain always selects the instrument that will break, the minion that will betray him, the method that will access his victim's inner aquatic dragon.
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    I think it's more that he doesn't realize Odi can breath underwater.
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    I don't think anyone would want those pancakes even if you paid them to eat them.

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    Which fits with Ardon's genre savvyness. lol

    Back since their first adventure Ardon has been correctly making predictions that no one will listen to. lol

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    Of course Ell still needs to play this carefully since the second Torrin realizes that Odie can't drown he will use other methods to threaten him.

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    NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!
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    Noooooooo!

    Dangnabit. Is there a revive undead or equivalent in 4e?

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    Noooooooo!

    Dangnabit. Is there a revive undead or equivalent in 4e?
    They could probably get him for real resurrected if they wanted to.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anteros View Post
    They could probably get him for real resurrected if they wanted to.
    I hope that's what happens. Then Barry could be a fully functioning member of the party, too.

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    Oooh, he could get a character portrait, too.

    EDIT: ARDON YES.
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    So, taking bets: part of the plan, not part of the plan, or was part of the plan but was not in the letters Ardon gave Odi and 45?

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    I'm guessing part of the plan. I don't think 45 would go back on his word this quickly and completely, Ardon knows Odi hates him and would keep that in mind when planning, and there are way too many possibilities for convoluted ways to turn this (or the appearance of this) to his advantage.
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    I feel like this almost has to be part of the plan given that we don't even have an inkling of what the plan is and we are, as LSN says, only two pages in. Its way too soon for the plan to have gone wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lizard Lord View Post
    Its way too soon for the plan to have gone wrong.
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    So, Ellie, Peanut, and the masked archer are off to parts unknown, while the others have taken Ardon back to the waterfall and into the sights of a vengeful henchman.

    The tactical situation could well be very good for our heroes. With Torrin and most of his top tier muscle gone, the party has a real shot at doing some real damage to Torrin's organization.

    We just need the other half of the group to show up.

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    in the words of M night shamamalon;

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    Okay, we just need the other 2/3 of the group to show up ...

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    Now I'm curious about the next step. Stalling is well and good, placing two of your team members in the mid of the archers is a bit risky so what is the payoff?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ibrinar View Post
    Now I'm curious about the next step. Stalling is well and good, placing two of your team members in the mid of the archers is a bit risky so what is the payoff?
    Probably distracting the enemy while you get your own people in place to take out the archers.

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    I'm betting Odivallus is oblivious and didn't know, whereas Fortyfive knows Ardon's plan and is playing along.
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    Odi's reaction when their prisoner spoke implies he at least knew it wasn't Ardon. It's pretty clear that many of them are at least a little in the dark about the plan.

    It also looks like Ardon has his brother's play book. He knew who was watching and where they were, as well as the actions his impersonator was going to take. He's a self-absorbed, homicidal jerk, but his estimation of his own planning skill (if not leadership) looks pretty justified.

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    I'm pretty sure everyone (except Ardon) is in the dark about the whole plan, but they all (obviously) know their own part.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lizard Lord View Post
    I'm pretty sure everyone (except Ardon) is in the dark about the whole plan, but they all (obviously) know their own part.
    Ardon pretty much said so when he handed out his instructions. My only point was that Odi and 45 knew the person they were attacking wasn't Ardon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Leewei View Post
    Ardon pretty much said so when he handed out his instructions. My only point was that Odi and 45 knew the person they were attacking wasn't Ardon.
    Honestly, I wasn't so sure.
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    ...Wow. Ardon has really outdone himself with this plan.
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    Oh yeah, Ell's parents are two members of one of the most powerful adventuring parties in the world, aren't they? I can't believe I forgot that.

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    I have to say I liked Carkun - more media could use characters like him.

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    So this seems to be going a bit too smoothly. Any one think Torrin is sacrificing his entire team while he catches Ardon? After all what is a warlord with out strikers? Not quite sure why he would do that unless he expected a team of high level adventurers to be called in though. Torrin's team definitely seemed to have the upper hand in terms of strength.
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