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Thread: Will Save World for Gold
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2016-08-30, 12:45 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Will Save World for Gold
So now are they going to quit the party?
Yes I know any such decision will wind up with them being forced to work with Ardon again and the party will be reformed, but I still want them to do it just so they can say they tried to quit Ardon.
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2016-08-30, 07:02 AM (ISO 8601)
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It would be interesting character growth to see them come to terms with the reality that they just fulfilled a contract that they freely signed to be assassins. Their realizing that Ardon had to trick them into fulfilling their contracts, keeping their word, would be a nice bonus, .
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2016-08-30, 12:45 PM (ISO 8601)
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Wow, Ardon really just admitted that he manipulated the orc chief into attacking.
Maybe will get a arc or so with (some of) his team mates leaving until they learn the valuable lesson that despite being a murderous jerk who cares nothing about them Ardon is still their friend. And you don't just leave friends over something minor like a horrifying act of Evil.
Honestly, I still expect this to be the story of an evil overlord’s rise to power with Ardon as the overlord and the others as his minions. Those that survive that long at least.Last edited by Kantaki; 2016-08-30 at 12:46 PM.
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2016-08-30, 11:52 PM (ISO 8601)
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Honestly Ardon's not even wrong here. His methods are inexcusable, but the logic is sound. Hraggy was a dead man walking, and he deserved it the moment he ordered the first raiding party.
Just because the evil overlord is civil to you doesn't mean he isn't still accountable for starting a war or raiding innocent people. He was never going to walk away from this.Last edited by Anteros; 2016-08-30 at 11:54 PM.
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2016-08-31, 03:48 AM (ISO 8601)
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With that said I'm still banking on them trying to quit the party, for that last line if nothing else. (I know it says its the end of the story arc, but these things usually have epilogues. )
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2016-08-31, 04:03 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Will Save World for Gold
Even if you ignore the moral implications of killing the orcs in general plus the moral issue of murder without trial versus execution, at the very least there is the point that his actions caused the death of a few dwarven guards, who were NOT about to die anyway.
They should just leave.
Later, they might encounter each other again since it's possible for two adventurers to take the same quest (even likely in the world of D&D), but they should leave, and under no circumstances allow Ardon to lead.
At BEST, they should treat him as a battle advisor.
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2016-08-31, 05:05 AM (ISO 8601)
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That he isn't wrong doesn't make him right.
I mean what kind of justification is „he would have died anyway”? Ardon could say that anytime he kills or arranges the death of someone and he wouldn't be wrong.
That our orc chief with the unpronounceable name would have been executed anyway is no justification for Ardon mind raping him into going on a murderous rampage to force his team mates to kill him.Last edited by Kantaki; 2016-08-31 at 05:07 AM.
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If it is dead it can be eaten."
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2016-08-31, 11:30 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Will Save World for Gold
I imagine LSN will enjoy reading this debate.
In update news, Ell continues to have a fascinating philosophy that might end up making her into a minion of evil and forcing her to fight her parents. And Odie goes along with it out of peer pressure. And any serious moral discussion is interrupted in a hilarious manner.I'm a Prestige Class! Thanks Zaydos!
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2016-08-31, 11:49 PM (ISO 8601)
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2016-09-01, 12:08 AM (ISO 8601)
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2016-09-01, 07:52 AM (ISO 8601)
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It seems unlikely, since they are still concentrating on Ardon's actions, rather than reassessing their own involvement in mercenary killing. Odie and Ell are treating Ardon' suggestion, "If you've decided you don't like killing things for money, you might want to get into a different line of work," as rhetoric rather than solid advice.
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2016-09-01, 08:55 AM (ISO 8601)
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I don't think they know Ardon used mind powers to force the orc, they think he made him by killing his whole Orc army.
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2016-09-02, 07:29 AM (ISO 8601)
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Sorry Ell, but i think you might be seeing what you want to see rather then what is actually there
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2016-09-02, 01:49 PM (ISO 8601)
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Well I kinda see Ardon as getting better during the Dire story arc, but he definitely wasn't trying to do so.
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2016-09-06, 11:08 AM (ISO 8601)
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Well, El isn't wrong that Ardon needs their help. I do question whether he's worth saving at all by this point though. Of course she isn't aware of most of the terrible things he's done, so she can't really be blamed for not seeing it.
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2016-09-06, 11:29 AM (ISO 8601)
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2016-09-06, 04:07 PM (ISO 8601)
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More to the point, she is a Paladin, and a Paladin whose thing specifically is loyalty to her friends (I think LSN spelled this out during the whole magic sword story arc). Her continuing to back up Ardon (or any of the others) whatever he does is kind of her thing. Actively choosing to walk away from any member of her adopted family would be a pretty huge deal for her, and it's going to take something a lot more personal than mindraping an Orc to change her mind on that.
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2016-09-06, 10:30 PM (ISO 8601)
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Like him being a part the death of her aunt; thus causing Ell to be separated from her parents?
Sure Ardon was almost half-way decent (or, should I say, not completely evil) there given that he sent Ell to the orphanage rather than kill baby Ell like he was told to, but he still played a part in the biggest tragedy in Ell's life.Last edited by Lizard Lord; 2016-09-06 at 10:33 PM.
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2016-09-07, 12:47 PM (ISO 8601)
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2016-09-07, 01:35 PM (ISO 8601)
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I forget. Was Ardon driving at the time or just riding along? I feel like he was driving.
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2016-09-07, 01:43 PM (ISO 8601)
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2016-09-07, 02:00 PM (ISO 8601)
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2016-09-07, 02:54 PM (ISO 8601)
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3.5 had the Hindsight spell, which could look into the past in a specific area... But that was a 9th level spell and 4th edition did away with a lot of the non-combat magic. A quick google finds no mention of a 4th edition version of that spell.
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2016-09-13, 12:20 AM (ISO 8601)
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Welp, no more Mr. Nice Ardon.
Sidenote: Is there any worse class choice than 'sewer druid'?The Giant
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2016-09-13, 12:36 AM (ISO 8601)
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2016-09-13, 01:26 AM (ISO 8601)
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2016-09-13, 11:12 AM (ISO 8601)
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In the middle of that re-read, I just noticed that the Crooked Peak Orc Tribe quest they just finished was actually foreshadowed, but Ardon initially turned it down.
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2016-09-13, 03:34 PM (ISO 8601)
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2016-09-13, 11:23 PM (ISO 8601)
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Looks like somebody needs a share of a huge reward to pay for finally raising her party from the dead.
I will be disappointed if this does not lead to Ell's 'black and white quest' being the hunting down
of the monstrous murderer of prisoners in South Crossings' dungeon.The Giant
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2016-09-14, 09:52 PM (ISO 8601)
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If they do though... Ardon would probably frame Chandea. She's capable of killing them, wields a bow, and IRRC he knows she follows him.