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    Quote Originally Posted by FocusWolf413 View Post
    If anyone has a good Camus quote for NE, I would appreciate it.
    Camus is CG, so...what do you need, exactly? Pointed criticism of horrible people?

    Also, I got swordsage'd, and my own guess at what you wanted has already been filled in, so...Jade Phoenix Mage'd?
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    A fair number of people don’t quite grok Chaotic Good, since the idea of thinking for yourself while being a good person is apparently confusing.
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    Should I add a section on real-world philosophy? I wrote my guide with things that are definitely CG rather than just things people want to be CG.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ThinkMinty View Post
    Should I add a section on real-world philosophy? I wrote my guide with things that are definitely CG rather than just things people want to be CG.
    I suggest asking a mod about it first. Real-world religion and politics are forbidden topics on this board; it's certainly debatable whether philosophy falls under the same umbrella, but if it were me...I'd rather ask before posting than post before asking, especially on something that runs parallel to forbidden topics.

    I mean, it might be fine, but wouldn't it be better to know for sure before you posted it?


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    Quote Originally Posted by AvatarVecna View Post
    I suggest asking a mod about it first. Real-world religion and politics are forbidden topics on this board; it's certainly debatable whether philosophy falls under the same umbrella, but if it were me...I'd rather ask before posting than post before asking, especially on something that runs parallel to forbidden topics.

    I mean, it might be fine, but wouldn't it be better to know for sure before you posted it?
    True. The basics are that I wanted to clarify what does and doesn't count, but I also like the guide as-is because it doesn't really tell you what to do, just what's going on. I pointed out that oppression takes more forms than just governments, that should be enough if I bold parts of it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Draconium View Post
    It's under construction, but it looks like a Lawful Neutral handbook just popped up.
    That would be me. I have added links to other handbooks in it, in an orderly fashion.

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    Is the Lawful Good handbook too preachy and idealistic so far? I want the style of the guide to represent those aspects of the alignment, the way the others are written vaguely in character, but I also don't want to end up presenting the alignment too narrowly or being too restrictive about it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zrak View Post
    Is the Lawful Good handbook too preachy and idealistic so far? I want the style of the guide to represent those aspects of the alignment, the way the others are written vaguely in character, but I also don't want to end up presenting the alignment too narrowly or being too restrictive about it.
    Lawful Good has room in it. Simon Pegg's character in Hot Fuzz was very Lawful Good, with around equal emphasis on both, for example.
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    Sure, but I think that character fits pretty well with what's already written there; his quote about how he decided to become a cop ("I had to prove to myself that the Law could be proper and righteous and for the good of humankind") is pretty much exactly what the Law and/as Good section talks about. My worry is more about the idealistic tone excluding some of LG's harsher incarnations in their entirety rather than merely dissuading their more ridiculous, campaign-wrecking extremes. I think it's something that can be addressed when I start posting archetypes, but wanted to get some input on the general tone just in case.

    EDIT: Also, how many posts should I really probably save for archetypes? Two seems safe to me, but other people seem to be reserving more. I guess it can't hurt to have more reserved to be safe, but it'd feel pretty silly the longer they wait to be filled with content.
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    Maybe I should write a TN handbook...
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    Quote Originally Posted by atemu1234 View Post
    Maybe I should write a TN handbook...
    Do it! I'm in the process of writing a Neutral Good handbook. With the contribution of TN and NG, all 9 alignments will be covered at least once.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cruiser1 View Post
    Do it! I'm in the process of writing a Neutral Good handbook. With the contribution of TN and NG, all 9 alignments will be covered at least once.
    Once it's got a thread, let me know and I'll make sure it's linked up in the OP.


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    Quote Originally Posted by AvatarVecna View Post
    Once it's got a thread, let me know and I'll make sure it's linked up in the OP.
    Neutral Good ("Selfless Service with Blessings to All") has its thread now: http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showt...-Handbook-lt-3

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    That Neutral Good handbook has shown up.

    EDIT: Swordsage'd by the creator.
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    And...added. Now all that's missing is True Neutral.


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    I just finished reading all of these. Well done folks. :)

    The one problem now is that they all make such compelling arguments as to why their alignment is the coolest. Now I want to be them all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tadkins View Post
    I just finished reading all of these. Well done folks. :)

    The one problem now is that they all make such compelling arguments as to why their alignment is the coolest. Now I want to be them all.
    Well, you should start with the best. That would be Lawful Neutral. Lawful neutral is the best alignment you can be because it means you are reliable and honorable without being a zealot.

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    Please. NE is where its at. You get to do as you please, live in a fairly ordered society, and screw the rules when they keep you from what is rightfully yours (which is everything).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Saintheart View Post
    Well, you should start with the best. That would be Lawful Neutral. Lawful neutral is the best alignment you can be because it means you are reliable and honorable without being a zealot.
    To be frank, I've always leaned toward the chaotic side of things. Rules and tradition are just stifling at best. Lawful Neutral folks have always been to me the ultimate buzzkillers.

    I will say this though, while I do lean toward chaotic, your guide has inspired me to be at least a smarter chaotic. The "you shouldn't park there" sign example was definitely something to inspire and think about.

    Quote Originally Posted by Svata View Post
    Please. NE is where its at. You get to do as you please, live in a fairly ordered society, and screw the rules when they keep you from what is rightfully yours (which is everything).
    Evil is always interesting, seductive, and tempting. Even the most Good folks can't help but be fascinated by Evil sometimes. What kind of mindset drove the most horrible people in our history? It's interesting to study people like Bathory, Hitler, Stalin and the like.

    One thing that might restrain someone from Evil is knowing that its proponents are oftentimes huge douchebags. Do you really want to be associated with folks like that?
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    Morally speaking, Neutral Good is the best alignment.


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    Quote Originally Posted by AvatarVecna View Post
    Morally speaking, Neutral Good is the best alignment.
    Pfft, who cares about those?
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    Quote Originally Posted by tadkins View Post
    To be frank, I've always leaned toward the chaotic side of things. Rules and tradition are just stifling at best. Lawful Neutral folks have always been to me the ultimate buzzkillers.
    You do realise your local bartender is probably a Lawful Neutral, right?

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    I imagine bartenders in general are more on the True Neutral side of things. Of course, I think most people tend to be True Neutral, with personalities extreme enough to actually qualify for Lawful/Chaotic/Good/Evil being rare (or at least rarer than 1/9 of all people).


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    I would expect any highly-organized society to have a generally more lawful tendency, but that's just me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ben-zayb View Post
    I would expect any highly-organized society to have a generally more lawful tendency, but that's just me.
    To be clear, we are talking about alcoholic beverages here, right? Substances infamous for their ability to lower the inbiber's inhibitions, and cause their mood to swing wildly, and the fists even more so? Oh yes, I'm sure any society of a particularly Lawful bent would totally have such a thing, and thus a need for bartenders.


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    Quote Originally Posted by AvatarVecna View Post
    To be clear, we are talking about alcoholic beverages here, right? Substances infamous for their ability to lower the inbiber's inhibitions, and cause their mood to swing wildly, and the fists even more so? Oh yes, I'm sure any society of a particularly Lawful bent would totally have such a thing, and thus a need for bartenders.
    Nope, I was referring to the "most people" thing. Though now that you mention it, there must be a good reason why not most people are staying a tavern, and of those in the tavers, not most people who drink end up in jail.

    Not to mention: Drunken Masters
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    Quote Originally Posted by AvatarVecna View Post
    Morally speaking, Neutral Good is the best alignment.
    NG folks do seem like the most pleasant types. :)

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    You do realise your local bartender is probably a Lawful Neutral, right?
    That's possible. I was more speaking of my experiences with my military friend. Definitely the epitome of LG/LN. Likes to tell me why my fun and wacky antics and ideas are bad/won't work, and scold me when I do something wild.

    Quote Originally Posted by AvatarVecna View Post
    I imagine bartenders in general are more on the True Neutral side of things. Of course, I think most people tend to be True Neutral, with personalities extreme enough to actually qualify for Lawful/Chaotic/Good/Evil being rare (or at least rarer than 1/9 of all people).
    Does the personality really have to be extreme to qualify for those? From most of the examples I've read, it feels like most people can have such tendencies toward an alignment but be, for the most part, pretty normal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AvatarVecna View Post
    To be clear, we are talking about alcoholic beverages here, right? Substances infamous for their ability to lower the inbiber's inhibitions, and cause their mood to swing wildly, and the fists even more so? Oh yes, I'm sure any society of a particularly Lawful bent would totally have such a thing, and thus a need for bartenders.
    Orderly channelling of hedonistic impulses which would otherwise go unchecked is entirely a Lawful Neutral purpose and goal. You may not be aware of a Lawful Neutral society that exists among bartenders for that reason. The Green Alehorn Corps exists to promote order and beverages throughout the multiverse.

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    Maybe I should write a TN handbook...
    I'm in the process of that (I'll likely be posting in a little less than two days), but go ahead if you want to, every topic benefits from a plurality of voices.
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    The Green Alehorn Corps
    Is that a real D&D organization? Sounds interesting, couldn't find any info though. What book/material does it come from?

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    Quote Originally Posted by tadkins View Post
    Is that a real D&D organization? Sounds interesting, couldn't find any info though. What book/material does it come from?
    Pretty sure that was a Green Lantern Corps reference...
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