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    No. I felt bad for him too. Rebels is a few years before ANH, which puts that Leia squarely in her mid-teen years. And as many a parent knows, there are few things more furious, ill-tempered, and uncompromising than a teen girl who is convinced she is right.
    To be precise about her age, we know Leia's just recently turned 15 (since Ezra turned 15 on-screen in season one, and Leia's anywhere from a few days to a week or so younger than him).

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    One would think the Empire would notice something is up when the Protector isn't there to receive the next payment. Also, what happened to Phoenix 2 after he jumped? He didn't seem to appear back at the fleet.
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    One would think the Empire would notice something is up when the Protector isn't there to receive the next payment. Also, what happened to Phoenix 2 after he jumped? He didn't seem to appear back at the fleet.
    Judging from what the mid-season trailer showed us and the continuity we've seen in this season before, I doubt this is the last we've seen of the Concord Dawn Mandalorians.

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    Judging from what the mid-season trailer showed us and the continuity we've seen in this season before, I doubt this is the last we've seen of the Concord Dawn Mandalorians.
    I love that they effectively re-canonized the war between the Death Watch and the Mandalorian Protectors by Sabine using the Vizsla last name.

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    The other thing about Hoth is that the Rebels needed their X-Wings ready for escorting the transports. By sending them against the walkers, they risk having their starfighters get shot down there (the AT-ATs do pick off some of the speeders at Hoth, and even the vaunted prodigy flyboy and Death Star killer Luke Skywalker gets shot down) and then they have fewer ready for escape, while the speeders are relatively disposable for defense and the pilots can potentially survive a crash to get into their fighters.
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    So apparently in the new canon they've decided to give them an upgrade.
    Or they gave torpedoes a downgrade - to their weakest EU levels - rather than being nukes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lt_murgen View Post
    I love that they effectively re-canonized the war between the Death Watch and the Mandalorian Protectors by Sabine using the Vizsla last name.
    I haven't seen this episode yet, but I'm not sure why this would do it. Pre Viszla and Clan Viszla are both canon, in that they are used in the Clone Wars animated series. Was there more to it than that?

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    I think (from reading the Episode Guide over on the Databank, as well as other people's accounts of the episode) it was a case of:

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    Or they gave torpedoes a downgrade - to their weakest EU levels - rather than being nukes.
    Which is also consistent with their use in The Force Awakens, where they make pretty big booms, but nothing on the scale of a nuclear mushroom cloud.

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    Blame the Incredible Cross Sections books - which first called them "focussed nuclear explosives".


    The newcanon has tended to move away from that.
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    Or they gave torpedoes a downgrade - to their weakest EU levels - rather than being nukes.
    Unlikely; after all, they fully expected to be able to take out the tractor beam projector on a Star Destroyer with them in one pass in Legacy. Unless the proposition is that walkers are more formidably armored than large spacegoing warships, we come to the dial-a-yield conclusion, which doesn't seem unreasonable in light of the fact that blowing up everything in sight would likely have killed the ground team.
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    Unlikely; after all, they fully expected to be able to take out the tractor beam projector on a Star Destroyer with them in one pass in Legacy. Unless the proposition is that walkers are more formidably armored than large spacegoing warships, we come to the dial-a-yield conclusion, which doesn't seem unreasonable in light of the fact that blowing up everything in sight would likely have killed the ground team.
    If the torpedoes were really nuclear-weapon scale, I doubt they would have even considered deploying them in that situation considering the fact that the battle was being fought directly over a populated area; as was pointed out in the Rebels Recon video for that episode, a large part of the reason the rebels have mostly switched to basing out of uninhabited planets/moons by the time of the original trilogy - Yavin IV in A New Hope, Hoth in The Empire Strikes Back - is to avoid bringing the wrath of the Empire down on a civilian population, as we saw on Lothal in The Siege of Lothal and on Garel in Legacy. Using what would effectively be a nuclear weapon only a few hundred meters (a kilometer or so, at most) above a civilian settlement would be counterproductive to their aims.

    Plus, part of the whole appeal of using proton torpedoes, as seen in A New Hope, is that they're able to get past shields that would repulse energy weapon blasts.
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    For another example - there's those used by the X-wings against the Oscillator in The Force Awakens. Fairly small explosions. And issues like "they need to avoid endangering civilians" don't really apply when the goal involves ultimately causing the whole planet to explode - and they desperately need to do the maximum damage possible.

    This is not a case where "dialing the yield down" would apply.
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    You do realize that not being in a position to being properly funded or supplied the fighters in TFA had to make do with whatever resources they have available.

    So they might not have the best version of missiles necessary to complete that mission... so minimum charge torpedoes instead of the hail Mary nukes which the situation merited but the First Order Sympathisers wasn't going to let them have that even if they were on Hosnian when Starkiller blew it up!

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    You do realize that not being in a position to being properly funded or supplied the fighters in TFA had to make do with whatever resources they have available.

    So they might not have the best version of missiles necessary to complete that mission... so minimum charge torpedoes instead of the hail Mary nukes which the situation merited but the First Order Sympathisers wasn't going to let them have that even if they were on Hosnian when Starkiller blew it up!
    Which would be fine and dandy.

    IF the film established that. It did not.
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    Zeb & Kallus episode was today - though I'll have to wait for the Disney XD version to come out on Saturday.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hamishspence View Post
    For another example - there's those used by the X-wings against the Oscillator in The Force Awakens. Fairly small explosions. And issues like "they need to avoid endangering civilians" don't really apply when the goal involves ultimately causing the whole planet to explode - and they desperately need to do the maximum damage possible.

    This is not a case where "dialing the yield down" would apply.
    "Focused." The fact that they're not producing wide-area blasts comparable to a modern strategic nuclear device doesn't mean they can't possibly produce comparable energy; after all, modern shaped charges can penetrate armor that an identical amount of explosive couldn't scratch in a conventional, omnidirectional bomb and produces much less visible "boom" while doing so (barring secondary explosions from the target) for the precise reason that their energy is focused. The problem with using the thermal oscillator as an example is that we know it's armored, but we don't know what with, so we can't draw any conclusions from it. We know their torpedoes couldn't penetrate the armor, but we don't know the strength or thickness of the armor, so there's no real way to determine either because we know literally nothing about any of the relative values.
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    Zeb & Kallus episode was today - though I'll have to wait for the Disney XD version to come out on Saturday.

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    The prophecy came through without actually fulfilling the elements given in it - the child did not save the warrior or the fool (making the obvious presumption that Hondo served the role of the fool; it was never really spelled out) yet they found what they were looking for anyway through... blatantly unexplained means. I mean, I get the wise woman was a Force mystic, but that explains precisely nothing about Zeb finding a way through the star cluster simply by zapping the control panel with his staff.
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    So the Mining Guild is painted as the bad guys for... wanting to drive off creatures that everyone, to include Hera, sees as a menace, and for trying to repel obvious thieves. I'm sorry, I don't buy it. They need to come up with better setups than this. I could understand if they intend to portray the Rebels turning to piracy out of desperation, but it feels unintentional, like they didn't think through the moral implications of the story.
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    Which would be fine and dandy.
    IF the film established that. It did not.
    You mean like Starkiller Base is able to fire across the galaxy by draining the energy from a star and then travel to another system with the latter part wasn't explained in the movie either?

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    So, they've released the titles for all the remaining Season Two episodes.

    • 17 February: Homecoming
    • 24 February: The Honorable Ones
    • 2 March: Shroud of Darkness
    • 16 March: The Forgotten Droid
    • 23 March: The Mystery of Chopper Base
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    Twilight of the Apprentice: Part I and Twilight of the Apprentice: Part II


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    I'm looking forward to what I assume those last two episodes are. It has to happen at some point, or else we have a massive hole in the plan to make everything canon.

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    I'm looking forward to what I assume those last two episodes are. It has to happen at some point, or else we have a massive hole in the plan to make everything canon.
    I know that, but that doesn't mean it won't hurt for me, at least as much as it did when Han Solo was killed in The Force Awakens; I started watching The Clone Wars over five years ago - not long after I watched the Star Wars movies for the first time - and Ahsoka is still one of my favorite characters from that series. I remember nearly tearing up when she left the Jedi Order, with the small consolation being the knowledge that she wouldn't die during the execution of Order 66. But now...
    ...this is going to be painful.


    A very small ray of hope for me lies in somebody pointing out that the title could also possibly refer to Ezra falling to the Dark Side (at least for a time), as has been foreshadowed in the series up to now, as well as in the mid-season trailer. Yes, this has the potential to get me emotional enough that I would literally consider Ezra Bridger falling to the Dark Side a happier outcome than an outcome which sees Ahsoka dying. And yes, I know that that Force-vision Ahsoka had of her older self in The Clone Wars which warned her that Anakin could be the death of her isn't helping matters, I'm trying to be optimistic here, okay??
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    The biggest problem I had with Return of the Jedi was that I don't believe in redemption for Vader. His final act to save his son does not balance the misery he enthusiastically caused for so long. He murdered children and participated in the annihilation of an entire world.

    I think we can all see where Ahsoka v. Vader leads, but that only makes his inclusion as a force ghost with Yoda and Obi-wan even more ridiculous.

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    The biggest problem I had with Return of the Jedi was that I don't believe in redemption for Vader. His final act to save his son does not balance the misery he enthusiastically caused for so long. He murdered children and participated in the annihilation of an entire world.

    I think we can all see where Ahsoka v. Vader leads, but that only makes his inclusion as a force ghost with Yoda and Obi-wan even more ridiculous.
    That's the point. Vader needs to look completely beyond redemption. That's why Yoda and Obi-Wan were like "you can't bring him back, he's too far gone". It needs to look like a hopeless situation where he's totally beyond saving.

    Even then, Vaders personal OT crimes were kind of limited. He didn't personally do anything on the death star, that was Tarkin. He didn't devise any plans for the second death star, that was the emperor, who Vader already established he'd wanted to kill. It was only him killing those children like 30 years later that brought things into total unredeemable territory, and we all know how people view the prequels.
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    So, today's episode.

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    It was surprisingly good, and it was pretty cool to see a grown-up Numa - always wondered what happened to her after the Clone Wars, being orphaned and all. I also enjoyed seeing the TIE bombers in action.


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    It was much, much better on the storytelling side than the last couple. I liked the little detail of Hera slipping into her father's accent while talking to him. But on the technical side, the Arquitens class apparently really is a TARDIS, since it can evidently fit a Sentinel-type troop shuttle and a flight of TIE fighters.
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    That's the point. Vader needs to look completely beyond redemption. That's why Yoda and Obi-Wan were like "you can't bring him back, he's too far gone". It needs to look like a hopeless situation where he's totally beyond saving.

    Even then, Vaders personal OT crimes were kind of limited. He didn't personally do anything on the death star, that was Tarkin. He didn't devise any plans for the second death star, that was the emperor, who Vader already established he'd wanted to kill. It was only him killing those children like 30 years later that brought things into total unredeemable territory, and we all know how people view the prequels.
    As I recall the only evidence to support that is that we see him being questioned by the younglings and he ignited his lightsaber.

    After that the only visual evidence is his fight with an armed padawan and a Jedi within the temple as seen by Obi-Wan and Yoda.

    I always felt him killing the younglings was pointless and a mistake, remember Vader was in charge of the Inquisitors and what better reason he would have for saving the younglings than recruiting them to be trained as Inquisitors?

    Consider we still don't know who the Knights of Ren are or were, what if they're descendants of those younglings saved by Vader and treat him accordingly because of that?

    The Jedi were dead slain after a failed coup against the Emperor, Vader was the first one to reach them made sure they were safe and subsequently they witnessed the folly of the Jedi wouldn't take much to turn them completely against the Jedi in return for the stability and safety of the Empire.

    Then they learn bother Vader and the Emperor was slain by the Last Jedi, Luke Skywalker even if someone realised Luke is Vader's son it would be a better explanation for the origin of the Knights of Ren and yes I doubt I'm that lucky too!
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    I figured Vader and the Emperor thought that corrupting children who'd been "raised by Jedi from birth" would be too much hard work - but corrupting children who'd been raised by ordinary people, unaware of their own powers and the history of the Jedi - would be much easier.

    An element of "increasing Vader's dark side power" may also be in play:

    "Only then, will you be strong enough with the dark side of the Force, to save Padme"


    with the assumption that, the more innocent the victim, the greater the "dark side boost".
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    So. Enemy Mine: Star Wars Edition.
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    You would think that Agent Kallus (I still can't believe they named him that) would have learned better than to set traps for this bunch without bringing along an Inquisitor or three. Oh well. Apart from that, it was a pretty good story. You can't even fairly say that we've never quite seen Kallus as anything but before; he was obviously shocked at the summary execution of Commandant Aresko and Taskmaster Grint last season, so it wasn't completely out of nowhere.
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    You realise that Kallus is an actual real world surname?

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