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2015-10-21, 09:39 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: How Roy realised it wasn't Durkon - ACTUAL ANSWER
Like the Giant said. Durkon knew that Roy blames his father for Eric's death. HPoH doesn't. That is how Roy realized he's not fighting Durkon.
If you find yourself watching Power Rangers and wonder how some characters got their powers and zords back for an anniversary episode, just assume they were restored off screen. They have 20+ seasons of team geniuses to call on.
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2015-10-21, 09:53 PM (ISO 8601)
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2015-10-21, 10:09 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: How Roy realised it wasn't Durkon - ACTUAL ANSWER
post number 12 of the strip 1009 thread.
Though I am adding what I believe the misinterpretation on HPoH is.Last edited by archon_huskie; 2015-10-21 at 10:10 PM.
If you find yourself watching Power Rangers and wonder how some characters got their powers and zords back for an anniversary episode, just assume they were restored off screen. They have 20+ seasons of team geniuses to call on.
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2015-10-21, 10:29 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: How Roy realised it wasn't Durkon - ACTUAL ANSWER
Durkula says just before setting Roy off that "you failed to tell your mother" and "I always wondered...how many pieces." The first is something unlike Durkon, so is the second. Together they give us both a tie to the previous comic, and a reason on the face for Roy to give.
I see no evidence for any other explanation save one:
Roy is looking deep in Durkula's eyes the whole time...The laws of physics are not crying in a corner, they are bawling in the forums.
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2015-10-21, 11:04 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: How Roy realised it wasn't Durkon - ACTUAL ANSWER
See, I don't buy this either. Roy was there when his brother, a 5-year-old boy, was killed. That's not something that leaves you unscarred. He's clearly worked past his guilt and not allowed it to cripple him, but that doesn't mean he doesn't still feel some guilt. He'd be a sociopath if he didn't.
Durkula's guilt trip on Roy was working. He only snapped out of it at the "how many pieces" part.
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2015-10-21, 11:51 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: How Roy realised it wasn't Durkon - ACTUAL ANSWER
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2015-10-22, 12:12 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: How Roy realised it wasn't Durkon - ACTUAL ANSWER
I still think that all these theories of "Roy understood it's not real Durkon because specific X" are just over-analyzing. Roy was in denial about Durkon's death, refusing from the very beginning to accept the passing of a dear friend. So when the vampire's does the "evil Durkon" ruse it just gives Roy a way out, an excuse not to face what happened.
The vampire broke his character by playing the Hel card, but Roy was still on the fence, not prepared to completely let go of the idea of Durkon still being in there in some form. The panel where he closes his eyes, and a sort of calm comes over him is just him finally letting go. It's not noticing some glaring error in what the vampire said, except maybe as the last straw that broke the camel's back. He then accepts that his friend died a long time ago (the look of sadness as he says "I understand" [that my friend has passed]), and then he channels his rage (remember that Anger is the second stage of grief after Denial) to fight the vampire without holding back.
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2015-10-22, 07:33 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: How Roy realised it wasn't Durkon - ACTUAL ANSWER
Further into the 1009 discussion (page 2, I think) the Giant agrees with someone who said 'not only is this level of sadism uncharacteristic for Durkon, even evil Durkon, but he's also made the mistake of claiming to be a jerk retroactively (paraphrased). I keep coming back to the I've always wondered line precisely because it's important. Writers spend a lot of time choosing the right words, because even if characters don't pick up on things, editors and audience members will. If the vampire had said 'tell me, how many... ' or similar, it would still be hitting the same note as the rest of the Vampire's dialogue; I'm Durkon gone evil, mwahahaha. Because the vamp made an error in judgement and tried to claim Durkon had always had these thoughts, that's what tipped Roy off that this isn't just evil Durkon.
I'm really hoping the next comic is in Durkon's head. Firstly, it'll tie up all the speculation so we can return to why Durkon vamped the Creed. Secondly, I have this idea of the argument happening and each panel getting more and more green. The last page pulls out of Durkon's eye, and we see the sword inching closer before 'snickersnack!'I admit full culpability for Phyrnglsnyx
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2015-10-22, 07:47 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: How Roy realised it wasn't Durkon - ACTUAL ANSWER
This explains Roy's red eyes, and I really like this explanation even if it isn't exactly what Rich was doing with the scene.
@Kristinn
He then accepts that his friend died a long time ago (the look of sadness as he says "I understand" [that my friend has passed]), and then he channels his rage (remember that Anger is the second stage of grief after Denial) to fight the vampire without holding back.Last edited by KorvinStarmast; 2015-10-22 at 07:52 AM.
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2015-10-22, 08:57 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: How Roy realised it wasn't Durkon - ACTUAL ANSWER
Belkar was saved by Durkon. Durkon said he killed him now. That doesn't fit with Durkon. That is how Roy knew.
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2015-10-22, 10:52 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: How Roy realised it wasn't Durkon - ACTUAL ANSWER
(3) is plausible. Giving up on protecting someone is against Roy's nature. Which is also something that Durkon would understand about Roy, but the vampire likely wouldn't.
(Note, however, that in SRD, the vampiric gaze works as the dominate person spell, which doesn't allow automatic success on commands against the target's nature; it allows an additional Will save with a +2 bonus to break the domination. So the way this could have worked is that Roy failed his initial Will save against becoming dominated, but then was allowed a second Will save when commanded to do something against his nature and broke the domination.)
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2015-10-22, 11:02 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: How Roy realised it wasn't Durkon - ACTUAL ANSWER
Plague Doctor by Crimmy
Ext. Sig (Handbooks/Creations)
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2015-10-23, 04:13 PM (ISO 8601)
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2015-11-20, 07:11 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: How Roy realised it wasn't Durkon - ACTUAL ANSWER
Spoiler
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2015-11-22, 02:30 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: How Roy realised it wasn't Durkon - ACTUAL ANSWER
Can you guys clear something up for me?
Do you not see the post The Giant is agreeing with, where the person says that Roy figured it out because Durkula would never say something that evil?
Or do you see it and are choosing to ignore it?
Because from that post it's pretty clear that the author of the story believes that Roy figured it out because Durkula was acting too evil, so you guys claiming that "Roy figured it out because of the giant toad incident" IS pretty clearly a contradiction to what Rich is saying. And since you keep saying it isn't, I'm just trying to figure out why.
And this may sound sarcastic, but I'm being 100% sincere, because all you guys keep talking about is the "tactical error" and "false memory" part of the quote, and missing the huge ginormous part where Rich tells us the reason Roy found out that's vastly different from your reasonLast edited by littlebum2002; 2015-11-22 at 04:42 PM.
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2015-11-22, 03:33 PM (ISO 8601)
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2015-11-23, 05:50 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: How Roy realised it wasn't Durkon - ACTUAL ANSWER
Posting from France
Sorry for my accent.
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