Strong Female Protagonist II

[Kantaki]

Feral is the best friend ever.

[Leewei]

It's interesting how Alison sees "normal" people in her dream.

[Onyavar]

It's interesting how Alison sees "normal" people in her dream.

I was thinking of "My children whose faces I don't know yet and who are like blank sheets of paper to me".

[Vinyadan]

What about all the blood? Was it magic blood?

[Vinyadan]

BTW, next chapter will be the last one.

[Shogo]

I really hope that wasn't supposed to be seen as sweet, because it's just making Patrick creepier and creepier.

[Nettlekid]

So the next chapter is going to be the last one. Is it just me, or did this comic...not really ever go anywhere? I don't feel like any of the characters are in a substantially different place they were when they started, nor do I feel like there's been an overarching story that has hit either a climax or is coming to a close.

[Dragonus45]

I'm a bit surprised to hear this is ending, I really feel like it needs two or three more chapters instead of just one. But it also occurs to me that they may have other plans to explore the setting and that we don't need to get everything wrapped up for the various side characters here. I also assume that this will likely end with all the various conspiracy stuff either super rushed or deliberately left unfinished. If it is unfinished I am expecting some life lesson about how you can't have everything and need to let things go and all that jazz.

[Onyavar]

I remember only the huge conspiracy of the biodynamic killings, and Gurwara, as unfinished business.

That stuff should be possible to resolve in one final book.
What Allison does to make a difference, that doesn't need to have a final outcome within the comic ; dito for relationships.

[Dragonus45]

I still count a deranged serial killer and the guy she violated off the top of my head. I swear there was something else but I can't think of it right now.

[137beth]

I was reading through the fifth issue again, and I realized something:
Patrick can't see inside his own mind. He claims that he can deduce approximately what is in his head based on his observations of other people's minds. But, as Allison just recently found out, the inside of Patrick's head is completely different from that of other people, and so he may have had no idea of the "city" in his mind until he saw Allison observing it. If Patrick had been able to read his own mind all along, then he might have been able to fix it years earlier.

[Lizard Lord]

I still count a deranged serial killer and the guy she violated off the top of my head. I swear there was something else but I can't think of it right now.

I thought those were wrapped up? Or as wrapped up as they need to be at least?

[Onyavar]

I still count a deranged serial killer and the guy she violated off the top of my head. I swear there was something else but I can't think of it right now.

Moonshadow is dead if I didn't misunderstood and/or misremember.

The guys she violated, there are a few, but most of them posed a 'philosophical' problem, like "how to prevent rape" and "freedom of will vs. objectively greater good". The last one of these was a possible clue to the conspiracy, but I think he has outplayed his role.
Being who Alison is, she solved these problems with excessive force and arguably within the bounds of Kant's categorical imperative. So...

I thought those were wrapped up? Or as wrapped up as they need to be at least?

Think so.

[Dragonus45]

Moonshadow is dead if I didn't misunderstood and/or misremember.

The guys she violated, there are a few, but most of them posed a 'philosophical' problem, like "how to prevent rape" and "freedom of will vs. objectively greater good". The last one of these was a possible clue to the conspiracy, but I think he has outplayed his role.
Being who Alison is, she solved these problems with excessive force and arguably within the bounds of Kant's categorical imperative. So...


Think so.

I was under the impression Moonstone got away. I’ll reread it after work. Also I still feel there is a lot of talk left to be done on the Max issue even if he is likely out of the story for now.

Oh god anything but discussion about Kants Categorical Imperative I can only hande one of those in a week.

[Onyavar]

Oh god anything but discussion about Kants Categorical Imperative I can only hande one of those in a week.

I said 'arguably' and mean that if it applies there, it's sketchy. I won't press the point because nobody would get anywhere with that discussion restarted.

[137beth]

Moonshadow is dead if I didn't misunderstood and/or misremember.

The guys she violated, there are a few, but most of them posed a 'philosophical' problem, like "how to prevent rape" and "freedom of will vs. objectively greater good". The last one of these was a possible clue to the conspiracy, but I think he has outplayed his role.
Being who Alison is, she solved these problems with excessive force and arguably within the bounds of Kant's categorical imperative. So...


Think so.

Moonshadow is not dead. Her story is pretty much wrapped up, though.

[Maryring]

Honestly, I think part of why people, me included, expect there to be more with Max and Moonshadow is because the scenarios were left with really unsatisfying conclusions. Moonshadow will keep murdering people and Al learned nothing. Sure "We got this" as she said. Except no, not really. Because in the Max chapter she manages to botch THAT up by charging on ahead, refusing help from others and deciding that "we" don't got this. "I got this and you should all sit down and do as I say" is what happens instead.

So you're left wanting refinement and retuning. For these issues to be revisited with a better thought out examination of it's implications.

[Dragonus45]

Honestly, I think part of why people, me included, expect there to be more with Max and Moonshadow is because the scenarios were left with really unsatisfying conclusions. Moonshadow will keep murdering people and Al learned nothing. Sure "We got this" as she said. Except no, not really. Because in the Max chapter she manages to botch THAT up by charging on ahead, refusing help from others and deciding that "we" don't got this. "I got this and you should all sit down and do as I say" is what happens instead.

So you're left wanting refinement and retuning. For these issues to be revisited with a better thought out examination of it's implications.

I've also been of the general opinion that the comic ends in a way that pretty much condoned Moonshadow's madness and that was also pretty disturbing to me.

[Maryring]

Oh it definitely did. At least if you judge by the cast page.

Lately (Moonshadow has) struck out on her own and has been fighting a different kind of evil.

So yeah... I'd say the comic states that Moonshadow's murder spree is a good way to fight the evils of rape.

[Dragonus45]

So yeah... I'd say the comic states that Moonshadow's murder spree is a good way to fight the evils of rape.

Considering she used sodium pentathol for her torture sessions she is just as likely fighting the evils of confirmation bias.

[137beth]

So, we're finally getting to see the guy Patrick has been using as a figurehead. Without Patrick there, he seems reasonably sane at first glance. But that might not mean much in this comic.

[Lizard Lord]

So, we're finally getting to see the guy Patrick has been using as a figurehead. Without Patrick there, he seems reasonably sane at first glance. But that might not mean much in this comic.

Patrick can read minds, least you forgot. He is also skilled enough at manipulation that a sane person would be a much better pick for a figurehead than an insane one.

[Deliverance]

So, we're finally getting to see the guy Patrick has been using as a figurehead. Without Patrick there, he seems reasonably sane at first glance. But that might not mean much in this comic.

It isn't the first time we see him, but it sure is a long time since he was introduced back in chapter 3.

[137beth]

It isn't the first time we see him, but it sure is a long time since he was introduced back in chapter 3.

Thanks, I’d forgotten about that.

[Leewei]

Okay, that was unexpected. Looks like the plot just kicked into gear in a big way.

[Onyavar]

I'm calling "illusion", ready to be proven wrong on Friday. Possibly a trap to lure Menace out of hiding.

Also, Duval has lied there, has he? Or have there been clues to Patrick actually being a russian agent? For Bratstvo, I could only find that it means "fraternity" in russian.

And the "closed" document folder looks similar to the one that Patrick showed Allison when they met. So Duval wasn't ever shown that folder - or he lied again.
Finally, I wonder about the golden-eyed woman who is an associate of Mr. Hippo but either observes the scene with or without his approval.

[Kantaki]

I'm calling "illusion", ready to be proven wrong on Friday.

My first thought was a (possibly induced) nightmare.
But yeah, I doubt this is really happening.
The whole sequence has felt kinda... off and the sudden hippo-maw is just too weird.

I guess it's either a trap for Pat or some form of enhanced interrogation.
Or maybe a test of his loyalty?

On the other hand if that is that Bond villain's face* some of those could still apply.
And it would imply some interesting things about the conspiracy and why they knew about powers.

But real or fake, those are some really impressive teeth.

*or he created the illusion I guess...

[Leewei]

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Patrick's true identity could be an elaborate lie he created in case Duval betrayed him.

I'm thinking this is the conspiracy Patrick has been playing cat and mouse with, finally coming to remove him from the board.

By appearances, we have a shapeshifter and probably a power nullifier. Their motive is pretty mysterious at this point, but their next move is likely replacing/impersonating Duval.

[Lizard Lord]

So is part of the conspiracy covering up the fact that biodynamics existed before the storm or did they figure out a way to give people biodynamic powers?

Hippo-man even said that Duval is too old to be menace.

[Leewei]

So is part of the conspiracy covering up the fact that biodynamics existed before the storm or did they figure out a way to give people biodynamic powers?

Hippo-man even said that Duval is too old to be menace.

Duval is too old, sure. Why would Duval be biodynamic?