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2015-11-06, 06:25 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1011 - The Discussion Thread
Gah, Roy! All you needed to do was punt the Halfling out of the way. That would have given every priest there an excuse to toast you with AoE spells - and because you wouldn't have stopped running you would have been in melee range with Durkula before they could cast, both of you would be dead!
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2015-11-06, 06:30 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1011 - The Discussion Thread
Is she though? We don't see her actually die. We see her submerge under lava and she is still talking even under it...
Don't constructs/golem have some inherent elemental damage resistance? Maybe she survived and just took some time to tunnel herself from the volcano...
Edit: It's funny coincidence that the Not Quite Dead page on TV Tropes has a character coming back from a fall into a volcano as a page example, but I think Rich doesn't frequent that site...
Anyway, I think we might see Crystal again, although now would not be a good time story-wise, since what the Hel would Crystal be doing attacking Durkula...Last edited by gorocz; 2015-11-06 at 06:34 AM.
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2015-11-06, 06:35 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1011 - The Discussion Thread
SpoilerBelkar still has a role to play here. I still feel that he has had time to come up with ways to fight a vampire and counter its abilities. That Antilife Shell spell is very difficult to get around though. As long as HPoH does not move, he cannot drop the shell by accident (forcing a living creature into the shell causes it to drop). If the HPoH moves, the possibility that Belkar and Roy can team up to force the shell into one of them is created. This or a thrown weapon seems to be the only options that I can see at this point that avoid a D ex M.FTDWIR
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2015-11-06, 06:35 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1011 - The Discussion Thread
I'm sure Roy can find a way to end him rightly...
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2015-11-06, 06:35 AM (ISO 8601)
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2015-11-06, 06:41 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1011 - The Discussion Thread
I mean, being submerged in lava deals 20d6 fire damage per round with no save. Pretty sure there's no way she survived that. In fact, that whole storyline almost seems like a quick case of "let's just take care of that loose end real quick" by Rich. No one cares about Crystal or Bozzok, so re-introduce them for 10 pages, have them both die, and then get back to storylines that involve the world ending.
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2015-11-06, 06:42 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1011 - The Discussion Thread
I think there's actually a forum quote of him saying at some point that he doesn't base his plots off of TvTropes stuff. Of course, it's possible he'd pull that "Not Quite Dead" trick anyway (he's already directly invoked it once with Thog, via Tarquin), so it's possible he'll do it here as well, with Crystal returning at some point. I think her part in this story is over though; the arc between Haley and Crystal seems finished...and as Belkar said back when he fought Crystal: Haley's already got a nemesis, and she's a lot hotter than Crystal. Crystal was one of the last obstacles Haley had to overcome to finally truly cut herself off from the Thieves Guild; with Crystal and the boss both dead, the eventual power vacuum will ensure that Haley's role is forgotten in the fight for the throne...and Haley gets to move on, both emotionally and plot-wise.
Crystal's story got to end; her end was a result of the choices she made (in who to trust), and her choices killed her in the end, twice. But Sabine's story isn't over yet; she still has to get revenge for Nale, at least.
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2015-11-06, 06:45 AM (ISO 8601)
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2015-11-06, 06:49 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1011 - The Discussion Thread
To those wondering what Lurky Corpsewhiskers means when he says "I was still hoping to knock Roy off the board in case we needed the next phase" ...
My immediate thought, for what that's worth, was that he's referring to the vampirized Creed of Stone. The Undead Stoners (heh) are a Chekhov's Gun that absolutely has to go off noisily and messily sometime. I assume that his plan is to either swarm the priests with them, if he has a lot of them, or attack the Mechane with them and take it over so that he can go destroy the last gate manually if the vote fails.
Regarding the anti-life shell ...
My immediate thought on THIS topic, for what it's worth, was "undead Belkar." Mind you, I've never thought he would become an undead -- nor did I think he would wiggle out of his prophecy in any way, shape, or form. I've always firmly believed he'll die, permanently, definitely, and finally, no exceptions, no loopholes, do not pass Go, do not collect $200.
But the thought of him striding in the door with some comment to the effect of "now, now, let's not be hasty" and a red glow in his eyes did occur to me as the very first thought in response to this.
Now, this is totally implausible even to me, but it did pop into my mind like in the split second that I saw "anti-life shell."
The biggest issue is, how would he go undead?
About the best scenario I can come up with is that he limps in, gets a quick explanation from Roy; Roy kills him, and one of the priests raises him as a free-willed undead. The Death-Belk makes some kind of last quip and charges through the barrier, where he and Lurky kill each other.
I doubt it will happen, but I do suspect Death's Lil Helper will show up very soon, if only to direct a few snarky "I told you so"s at Roy.Spoiler
So the song runs on, with shift and change,
Through the years that have no name,
And the late notes soar to a higher range,
But the theme is still the same.
Man's battle-cry and the guns' reply
Blend in with the old, old rhyme
That was traced in the score of the strata marks
While millenniums winked like campfire sparks
Down the winds of unguessed time. -- 4th Stanza, The Bad Lands, Badger Clark
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2015-11-06, 06:59 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1011 - The Discussion Thread
I've said it before but the only way this can end is with the world intact and Durkon still a vampire and probably loose. It's the only way to combine "happy ending for Elan" and "shall bring death and destruction to us all".
So I'm not expecting an undead Belkar just yet. Intervening with the votes of the demigods? Likely.
And while it would be a tad anti-climatic to do so, Roy just needs to kill one of the priests and then gtfo of there.
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2015-11-06, 07:01 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1011 - The Discussion Thread
Why? There are several forms of self-raised undead. Usually ones that are pissed off about how they died. Ghost/poltergeist/revenant/whatever-I'm-not-thinking-of-offhand Belkar could reasonably be a thing. Revenants are even specifically created by sheer hatred of their murderer causing them to transcend death for revenge.
In most cases destroying HPoH/resurrecting Durkon would also end living-impaired Belkar, as such a Belkar would literally exist because HPoH getting away with his murder is keeping him from moving on to a proper afterlife.
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2015-11-06, 07:03 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1011 - The Discussion Thread
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2015-11-06, 07:03 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1011 - The Discussion Thread
I know this has probably been said but...
ROY. THROW. YOUR. SWORD.
(Preferably get very angry first)
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2015-11-06, 07:05 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1011 - The Discussion Thread
Hmm, tricky.
From Roy's face in the last panel, it feels like what should happen next is Roy throws his sword through the anti-life shell, probably in a 'double hander, over the head, down on one knee Last of the Mohicans' kind of a way, impaling Durkula and pinning him to a pillar, which then collapses and crushes any remaining HP out of him.
Other 'fight ends now' options: the return of the Belkster and his amazing throwing daggers (the last of which is a stake), having been rescued in the nick of time by the Mechane or Bugsby's Halfling-retrieving hand; Roy borrows another spear and stakes Durkula with the shaft; the Mechane arrives having rescued Belkar, who has spent the last few rounds explaining things to the rest of the team. Elan is now singing "shoot, shoot, shoot the enchanted wooden ballista bolt into the vampire's heart".
If we don't get a 'one last throw of the dice' immediate resolution from Roy, though, I suspect we'll get some more of Durkon's internal dialogue, with Durkon managing to land a few blows against his tormentor.
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2015-11-06, 07:09 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1011 - The Discussion Thread
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So the song runs on, with shift and change,
Through the years that have no name,
And the late notes soar to a higher range,
But the theme is still the same.
Man's battle-cry and the guns' reply
Blend in with the old, old rhyme
That was traced in the score of the strata marks
While millenniums winked like campfire sparks
Down the winds of unguessed time. -- 4th Stanza, The Bad Lands, Badger Clark
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2015-11-06, 07:12 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1011 - The Discussion Thread
My first thought regarding the anti-life shell was: Mhmm, Who is nearby, able to attack Durkula and might qualify as "not alive" thanks to Durkula testing the quality of the Windows with him? Maybe Belkar?
While that is unlkely Durkula's emphasis that nothing living can enter the effect makes me expect that he isn't as safe inside as he thinks.
How exactly does the spell work? What woud happen to Belkar if he jumps into the affected area from above? Time to put that ring of jumping to use again."If it lives it can be killed.
If it is dead it can be eaten."
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2015-11-06, 07:22 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1011 - The Discussion Thread
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So the song runs on, with shift and change,
Through the years that have no name,
And the late notes soar to a higher range,
But the theme is still the same.
Man's battle-cry and the guns' reply
Blend in with the old, old rhyme
That was traced in the score of the strata marks
While millenniums winked like campfire sparks
Down the winds of unguessed time. -- 4th Stanza, The Bad Lands, Badger Clark
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2015-11-06, 07:23 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1011 - The Discussion Thread
Okay, so the alive bit has to be important...I'm honestly in the thrown weapon camp.
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2015-11-06, 07:24 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1011 - The Discussion Thread
Time to use that ass backwards knowledge of construction and drop a wall onto durkula.
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2015-11-06, 07:24 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1011 - The Discussion Thread
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2015-11-06, 07:25 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1011 - The Discussion Thread
Yellow means..... put the pedal in the metal?
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2015-11-06, 07:31 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1011 - The Discussion Thread
If the shell is centred on Durkula, it offers a pretty effective way of pinning him in place with only 3 living things, or 2 plus a wall. Between them, Roy, Vel and Wrecan ("just standing here watching, man, totally a thing I'm allowed to do") can make it impossible for Durkula to dodge any sword, spear or chunk of masonry that Roy throws at him, without losing the spell.
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2015-11-06, 07:36 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1011 - The Discussion Thread
I didn't think it would happen but now I gotta call it...
Belkar saves the day.
According to prophecy, Belkar has "drawn his last breathe". He is now undead. As such, he can penetrate this shield.
How did he become undead though?
I'm guessing chomped on by Durkula turned him into a vampire but normally he would take three days to turn. Also he should be in thrall to Durkula. And the sun probably doesn't help, although it is relatively weak in northern climes. If the fight has gone on long enough for the sun to set though, that might explain why Belkar was delayed...he had to wait for dusk. Vampire would also be a good explanation for how he could get back from the mountains base; he can fly.
All we need is a mechanism for him to convert to undead without having to wait three days.
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2015-11-06, 07:39 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1011 - The Discussion Thread
Durkon is standing in the sunlight, fwiw.
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2015-11-06, 07:41 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1011 - The Discussion Thread
My theory: Roy uses his Knowledge (Architecture and Engineering) and knocks over the already-damaged pillar the High Priest of Hel put his antilife shell next to.
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2015-11-06, 07:43 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1011 - The Discussion Thread
Thanks Giant!
Roy, do you have anything in your bag for a situation like this? Can you throw your sword for a hit? Or will you sacrifice yourself to erase the HPoH?To find in order to lose; To fall in order to stand up
To freeze in order to ignite; To find myself within, and not fear the edge
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2015-11-06, 07:44 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1011 - The Discussion Thread
That is actually a very clever, non-ass-pulled solution to the problem. It's basicly like checkmate in chess.
Kudos to you, sir!
Belkar turning into a vampire is out of the question. This would be horrible, horrible writing, having two PCs get vampirized. Besides, it would break all the rules about vampires the Giant has established:
1) it takes several days for a vampirized to turn, unless quickened by the vampire himself, which is clearly not the case here
2) the vampire will lose and lock his personality... so Belkar would not be Belkar after turning, but just another Soul selected by Hel.
If we follow the "undead belkar" theory, it must be a non-vampire undead.Last edited by Zwiebelchen; 2015-11-06 at 07:49 AM.
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2015-11-06, 07:56 AM (ISO 8601)
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2015-11-06, 07:56 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1011 - The Discussion Thread
Nice move from Durkula.
And it was also nice, from Roy, to remember Thog.Do I contradict myself?
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2015-11-06, 08:01 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1011 - The Discussion Thread
sigh... I'm getting tired of waiting to see what happened to Belkar.