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2015-11-24, 02:26 PM (ISO 8601)
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2015-11-24, 02:26 PM (ISO 8601)
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2015-11-24, 02:27 PM (ISO 8601)
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Are we just lampshade hanging that Vulcans are just Space Elves now?
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2015-11-24, 02:28 PM (ISO 8601)
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2015-11-24, 02:28 PM (ISO 8601)
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Thankfully, Gontor doesn't have any spell slots left (it's been an eventful day for him). If the Order finds him, he's toast.
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2015-11-24, 02:29 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1013 - The Discussion Thread
Even if the sole difference this time is intentional, it still doesn't follow that V never checked upon him before. See my prior point about V discussing what Blackwing thinks vs what Blackwing feels. The former is only really gleaned from talking to him about it all.
Sure, Blackwing could mention "that way he'll check up on me like he did earlier today" but that spoils the punchline at the end, IMO.
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2015-11-24, 02:31 PM (ISO 8601)
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That seems to be the gist of this; the reader does not know how accurately the empathicization sends your thoughts; only that it isn't perfect. Due to how vague that is, it could be interpreted in 2 different ways:
1. The empathic link is accurate enough that V could tell the difference between the emotions between the last one and the previous ones, if he wasn't a self-conceited jerk.
2. The empathic link is NOT that accurate and V dismisses it due to the empirical evidence V has against Blackwings warning.
Considering how vague the link is, I don't see V's reaction in this strip as damning evidence of V forgetting their past lesson.
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2015-11-24, 02:32 PM (ISO 8601)
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I'm not sure that's true, at least if you examine the feelings deeply enough. At the very least, V should feel the need or intent to be heard, which would distinguish conscious from unconscious communication.
Because conscious and unconscious broadcasts have to feel different. To use CoffeeIncluded's example, a breath I take in preparation to sing feels different from one that I take to keep me alive. It is more controlled, more directed. More muscles are involved, in different ways.
Backsliding on a lesson supposedly learned is perfectly in character for V.Last edited by zimmerwald1915; 2015-11-24 at 02:34 PM.
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2015-11-24, 02:33 PM (ISO 8601)
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no, damnit, the party needs that orb.
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2015-11-24, 02:35 PM (ISO 8601)
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2015-11-24, 02:36 PM (ISO 8601)
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Implying that Blackwing otherwise feels no intent to be heard? Have you seen Blackwing?
Im sure it feels different to you, but to a casual observer nobody is going to be able to tell the difference until you start singing. V doesn't get to hear the singing part.
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2015-11-24, 02:40 PM (ISO 8601)
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2015-11-24, 02:40 PM (ISO 8601)
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Again, even if they always feel different and V, who is only just starting to pay attention and so might not be that practiced at noticing subtle differences between conscious and unconscious intent over the link, noticed, who's to say Blackwing didn't do that before? Which is more likely? A running gag playing off one of Blackwing's character traits when the strip hasn't had humor for several updates, or V reverting to old behaviors that s/he is over a book past? Especially when one of the comic's main points is on the merit of growing and changing.
Dismissiveness isn't always callousness. And honestly I don't see the point in always assuming the worst of V.Last edited by CoffeeIncluded; 2015-11-24 at 02:42 PM.
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2015-11-24, 02:41 PM (ISO 8601)
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The thing that separates conscious from unconscious action is intent, so yeah. If his previous pings were unconscious on his part, he couldn't have intended to be heard.
Im sure it feels different to you, but to a casual observer nobody is going to be able to tell the difference until you start singing. V doesn't get to hear the singing part.
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2015-11-24, 02:42 PM (ISO 8601)
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2015-11-24, 02:46 PM (ISO 8601)
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I never realized that Blackwing is so genre savvy Still worried what the outcome will be, though.
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2015-11-24, 02:46 PM (ISO 8601)
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2015-11-24, 02:48 PM (ISO 8601)
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Dismissiveness is always a sign that you don't think the other person's concerns are important. The "only just starting to pay attention" excuse is wearing mighty thin a whole book after V supposedly started paying attention. And the point about how good growth and change is can best be made by contrasting a person who grows and changes with a person who doesn't.
The appeal to humor might carry more weight with me if I found Blackwing particularly funny. I don't. But that's just my bias.
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2015-11-24, 02:48 PM (ISO 8601)
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Cmonnnnnnn Bloodfeast
At least now I can get back to enjoying my glass of elven wine in peace and quiet, without being called on to intervene in someone else's problems.
Clang, clang, clang goes the trolley! Ring, ring, ring goes the bell! Git away from me, ye daft fool!
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2015-11-24, 02:49 PM (ISO 8601)
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So much for V coming to the rescue.
Time for the lizard to go T Rex on the vampire.
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2015-11-24, 02:50 PM (ISO 8601)
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Zimmerwald, what we know is that Blackwing has been calling for V over frivolous jumping to conclusions all day, and so V thinks this is just another instance of Blackwing doing the equivalent of whining, "Mommy, he's looking at me funny!" again.
If this was any other character and their familiar, would you have the same conclusion? Or are you only condemning V for losing his/her patience because s/he is V?My webcomic!
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So wait, you know the intended takeaway from the page (or at least know you aren't getting it) and are persisting with this argument anyway?
V has good reason to think that Blackwing's comments are unimportant, and that's because Blackwing is a titanic ham who regularly does things like this, much to V's exasperation.“Evil is evil. Lesser, greater, middling, it's all the same. Proportions are negotiated, boundaries blurred. I'm not a pious hermit, I haven't done only good in my life. But if I'm to choose between one evil and another, then I prefer not to choose at all.”
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2015-11-24, 02:52 PM (ISO 8601)
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Sounds like facts not in evidence to me. At least I have supporting evidence for Blackwing massively overreacting to events.
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2015-11-24, 02:56 PM (ISO 8601)
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The orb, as Durkula has mentioned, is for "Plan B/The Next Phase", which is Hel's back-up plan for if the Godsmoot doesn't go their way. As such, it's not likely to have anything to do with the temple (which is warded against teleportation in the first place).
The most likely theory is that it would be used for the same reason the Order wanted it: to teleport to the last gate. If Team Hel can destroy the gate, the gods have to destroy the world anyway. Remember, that's the position of all the gods who voted no on destroying it now: not "No, we'll never destroy the world!" but "We won't destroy the world until all the gates are gone and we have to."
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