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    On one hand Mega Evolution needs a trainer, which is outside help, but on the other hand, I can't really seem them doing this without throwing either Mega Mewtwo X or Mega Mewtwo Y into the fight. Probably Y, it's the fast one, and it looks more distinct from base Mewtwo.

    Since Shadow is a returning competitor, I wonder how much they'll change about him. In his battle against Vegeta, the entire fight came down to if Vegeta could outlast Super Shadow's finite time limit. Which, it being Vegeta, the Saiyan Prince of not being able to stay down, was not an issue. But... can Mewtwo?

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    Quote Originally Posted by McNum View Post
    On one hand Mega Evolution needs a trainer, which is outside help, but on the other hand, I can't really seem them doing this without throwing either Mega Mewtwo X or Mega Mewtwo Y into the fight. Probably Y, it's the fast one, and it looks more distinct from base Mewtwo.

    Since Shadow is a returning competitor, I wonder how much they'll change about him. In his battle against Vegeta, the entire fight came down to if Vegeta could outlast Super Shadow's finite time limit. Which, it being Vegeta, the Saiyan Prince of not being able to stay down, was not an issue. But... can Mewtwo?
    Maybe.

    But let me throw a different factor in. Super Shadow is physical invincibility. Can Mewtwo simply crush Shadow's mind and bypass Super Shadow that way?
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    If we are being serious and take into account what we know or what DB has implied in Shadow's last battle...
    Super Shadow is on the level of SSJ Vegeta. Which is WAY beyond planet crushing. No matter what Mewtwo may try, short of actually stealing his ability, he will have a damn hard time lasting a second against that.
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    No matter what Mewtwo may try, short of actually stealing his ability, he will have a damn hard time lasting a second against that.
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    Sand Attack. Sand Attack. Sand Attack. Minimize.
    The horror.... The horror...

    I can make it worse, though!

    Substitute.
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    On the other hand, Shadow can stop time. So that's pretty much a win in my book.
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    Sand Attack. Sand Attack. Sand Attack. Minimize.
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    Oh my god, a combo of minimize, sand attack, substitute, and recover would (if he gets the time to set it up) be the perfect defense...
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    Quote Originally Posted by digiman619 View Post
    Oh my god, a combo of minimize, sand attack, substitute, and recover would (if he gets the time to set it up) be the perfect defense...
    Sure, but then he doesn't get to know how to do anything but those 4 moves.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anteros View Post
    Sure, but then he doesn't get to know how to do anything but those 4 moves.
    Except a) They've classically ignored that in Death Battle but b) if they do go by Pokemon rules, his power of Pressure can force Shadow to use Struggle until he kills himself.
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    Quote Originally Posted by digiman619 View Post
    Oh my god, a combo of minimize, sand attack, substitute, and recover would (if he gets the time to set it up) be the perfect defense...
    Perfect defense, but no offense. I was thinking Toxic, Mega Drain or Leech Seed for the last slot. Use Substitute, make yourself impossible to hit. Drain their health into your own oso the damage you took from making a Substitute is healed.

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    Except a) They've classically ignored that in Death Battle but b) if they do go by Pokemon rules, his power of Pressure can force Shadow to use Struggle until he kills himself.
    This does sound a little in character for Shadow, anyway. Mostly kidding. Mostly.

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    So, in Pokkén a Mewtwo gets fused with a weird crystal and becomes "Shadow Mewtwo". Given the name, and how Shadow uses crystals himself, do you think they'll use it?

    I ask because Shadow Mewtwo's finisher is an energy blast which covers most of the planet (but does not deal enough damage to OHKO an opponent, nor does it damage the ring in any way). If Death Battle want Mewtwo to win, they'll probably start throwing walls of math around about how much power it takes to create a blast that size.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Prime32 View Post
    So, in Pokkén a Mewtwo gets fused with a weird crystal and becomes "Shadow Mewtwo". Given the name, and how Shadow uses crystals himself, do you think they'll use it?
    Given the thematics I'd say that's a good bet that they'll use it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Prime32 View Post
    So, in Pokkén a Mewtwo gets fused with a weird crystal and becomes "Shadow Mewtwo". Given the name, and how Shadow uses crystals himself, do you think they'll use it?

    I ask because Shadow Mewtwo's finisher is an energy blast which covers most of the planet (but does not deal enough damage to OHKO an opponent, nor does it damage the ring in any way). If Death Battle want Mewtwo to win, they'll probably start throwing walls of math around about how much power it takes to create a blast that size.
    Heh, would have been funny if they did that for cloud. "As we see here, Cloud is capable of tanking a blast from an exploding sun that managed to engulf mercury, venus, and a portion of the earth. Oddly enough, if the battle takes long enough, he shows he can survive SEVERAL supernovas, though probably not at the same time."
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    Heh, would have been funny if they did that for cloud. "As we see here, Cloud is capable of tanking a blast from an exploding sun that managed to engulf mercury, venus, and a portion of the earth. Oddly enough, if the battle takes long enough, he shows he can survive SEVERAL supernovas, though probably not at the same time."
    Yeah, gameplay and cutscene dissonance is WEIRD, yo. I mean, Bayonetta could take a hit from a GALAXY during the final boss of her first game, but you fall down just a little too far in a QTE event, and you're dead. Shadow can survive a fall from orbit with nothing more than a bad case of amnesia plot, but can die from tip-toeing into a mechanical frog that's literally just standing still. Mega Man can take a miniature black hole to the face like a champ, but touch the blunt side of a spike...

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    So they did a mewtwo blurb. And covered basically nothing but his backstory. No real mention of his powers or abilities other than being psychic and beating people up with his mind. I dont recognize the backstory myself, im only familiar with the early pokemon version where it showed up a couple times in all that gear and beat up Gary and maybe a few others. Plus the film.
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    In all, something of an anticlimax. The two barely got the chance to fight, I suppose because Mewtwo's body and Shadow's mind both can't take a ton of punishment. I'll admit though, I didn't think of Mewtwo dropping Shadow out of his Super form.
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    In all, something of an anticlimax. The two barely got the chance to fight, I suppose because Mewtwo's body and Shadow's mind both can't take a ton of punishment. I'll admit though, I didn't think of Mewtwo dropping Shadow out of his Super form.
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    They implied it was due to Shadow having a time limit, and didnt even mention Mewtwo's Pressure ability.

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    Yeah, this was basically a Fighter Vs. Wizard match: Shadow being the fighter, and Mewtwo being the wizard. Shadow's great physical power simply can't beat someone who is more flexible, cool-headed and smart in his usage of his powers like Mewtwo. its fast simply because as soon as the wizard figures out what to do, they solve you like a puzzle and proceed to destroy you with no compunctions.

    if Shadow was facing someone more hot-headed, prideful and less flexible in their thinking, he might've won. unfortunately he already faced that in Vegeta and Vegeta was too powerful for him. seems like Shadow can't win either way.
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    Damn they didn't answer my Trick Room question or my Psych up one.
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    Yeah, this was basically a Fighter Vs. Wizard match: Shadow being the fighter, and Mewtwo being the wizard. Shadow's great physical power simply can't beat someone who is more flexible, cool-headed and smart in his usage of his powers like Mewtwo. its fast simply because as soon as the wizard figures out what to do, they solve you like a puzzle and proceed to destroy you with no compunctions.

    if Shadow was facing someone more hot-headed, prideful and less flexible in their thinking, he might've won. unfortunately he already faced that in Vegeta and Vegeta was too powerful for him. seems like Shadow can't win either way.
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    Huh. Didn't expect it to be that one-sided. But Mewtwo with his anime powers is no slouch. The ability to rewrite specific memories combined with the ability to read minds, and just enough durability to last for as long as he needs to use it... that's a pretty powerful combination. Too bad for Shadow.

    Poor Shadow. He's down 0-2 now. That makes me wonder... Is there a good both thematic and power-scale match for Shadow that he might have a fighting chance against? Vegeta outlasted him, and Mewtwo just turned off Super Shadow... so who could Shadow beat in a Death Battle that would also be fun to watch?

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    ...I got nothing. What are they up to? Master Chief vs. Master Chief in a crossover with Red vs. Blue?

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    The obvous oponent for master chief is Samus Aran. Which is either a 1 sided stomp, or the chief runs her over with awarthog to make her lose her upgrades.

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    I don't feel like I have anything to add to what was said on the last battle... not unfair but unspectacular, in a way.


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    ...I got nothing. What are they up to? Master Chief vs. Master Chief in a crossover with Red vs. Blue?
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    Since his last fight was vs. another FPS legend, I guess they'll pair him off against another space marine. My bet is Commander Shepard.
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    Meh, really short. I mean, it made sense. Like has been said before, fighter versus wizard. Even if the fighter does have time stop as an ability. Im just annoyed that it was all over so fast. I miss the death battles that take awhile as each side has the durability and flexibility to adapt and overcome its current disadvantage the snake/fisher fight for example. Even the original superman/goku fight. I mean yeah that one had a distinct feel of "Ok, so goku powered up again? Guess superman has to unleash another tiny portion of his strength to crush him." But at least it wasnt a minute long, "Eh, im done playing, /insta gib" (Like the second goku fight *cough*)
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    Turns out it's not Master Chief, it's two characters from Red vs Blue. I officially don't care. I stopped caring about RvB when they sold out by being dramatic. Because even though we were a comedy for, like 3 or 4 seasons, let's radically change the tone of the series to drama, because screw comedy and the tone we've established, people only respect drama.

    Back on topic, however: Why are we wasting a Death Battle on this? They're from the same series! The whole dang point of DB is a fantasy "who would win in a fight" contest from varied sources. I get that they're partnered with Rooster Teeth, but if RT wanted to have them fight, have them fight! It's your show, write that in! Don't take up a slot of another show for something you could do yourselves if you could be bothered!
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    Because Rooster Teeth is slowly but surely buying up the internet and now that they own screwattack its time for tie ins. Even though the only things that really make screw attack worth watching are... well only death battle really and even then its only barely worth watching any more.
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    Yeah...it's not even RvB characters anyone would care about.

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    I don't know I rather like Carolina. But to be honest I would rather see Tex vs someone else like Samus or another non RvB character.
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    I'd rather they just don't use their own characters at all. Especially after how biased the RWBY one was.

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