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    Default Captain America in Four Levels?

    Is it possible to do a basic shield-throwing, justice-dealing Captain America with just four levels?

    I know his stats won't be stellar at fourth level, and he won't be Golarion's best fighter, but can he at least hold his own in a fight using only a shield? Available sources include the CRB, APG, the Ultimates and the Player Companions; no 3P, psionics or Unchained material.

    Given this, can it be done?

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    Shield Champion brawler. You hit things with a shield, and you punch things. Possibly mix Mutagenic Mauler for the super-soldier aspect, but with a shield champion, I might want the extra feats. Make the shield out of Adamantine if you can.

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    If you can get Occult Origins, consider the Mind Sword paladin. Maybe that for a shield oriented build?

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    Originally Posted by Ninjaxenomorph
    Shield Champion brawler. You hit things with a shield, and you punch things.
    Sounds very promising. What feats are needed to pull it off?

    Originally Posted by Xuldarinar
    If you can get Occult Origins....
    Probably not--I should've mentioned that Occult material is off the table for now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Palanan View Post
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    Probably not--I should've mentioned that Occult material is off the table for now.
    Thats a shame. Well, I'm certain it is more than doable without. I'd invoke VMC Wizard for similar reasons, but again.. thats crossed off as thats in unchained.


    Hopefully others, and it does look that way, will provide more satisfactory answers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Palanan View Post
    Sounds very promising. What feats are needed to pull it off?



    Probably not--I should've mentioned that Occult material is off the table for now.
    https://docs.google.com/document/d/1...Mc/mobilebasic

    If you keep Martial Versatility, focus on feats which open up prerequisite trees.

    Power Attack
    Point Blank Shot
    Dirty Fighting
    Shield Slam


    And I'd probably use some combination of Tripping, Dirty Tricks, and Bull rush on this guy.

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    Agreed that Brawler is probably the top choice.

    If you had a few more levels to work with, then 6 levels of Ranger might be handy for that sweet, sweet Shield Master feat (bonus at level 6).
    Of course, 2 levels of Ranger can always get you some Bull Rush goodness by way of Shield Slam.
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    if pathfinder, get your hands on path of war. iron tortoise gives shield throwing manouvers! cap amarica was never this easy!
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    Default Re: Captain America in Four Levels?

    Was my first idea as well, but he said no 3p, so thats off the table as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Swaoeaeieu View Post
    if pathfinder, get your hands on path of war. iron tortoise gives shield throwing manouvers! cap amarica was never this easy!
    You can get free action throwing shields for +50 gp. They let you un-don and throw them as a free action.

    With quick draw, you can don Quickdraw shields as a free action.

    Together, you can throw multiple shields at foes.

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    Originally Posted by grarrrg
    Of course, 2 levels of Ranger can always get you some Bull Rush goodness by way of Shield Slam.
    Shield Slam requires a +6 BAB, which won't work here. Is there a ranger archetype that gets this earlier?

    Originally Posted by Captain Morgan
    If you keep Martial Versatility….
    I'm not familiar with Martial Versatility, and I'm not sure how it would work here, since I'd like his shield to be his only weapon.

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    Default Re: Captain America in Four Levels?

    Quote Originally Posted by Palanan View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by grarrrg View Post
    Of course, 2 levels of Ranger can always get you some Bull Rush goodness by way of Shield Slam.
    Shield Slam requires a +6 BAB, which won't work here. Is there a ranger archetype that gets this earlier?
    Yes.
    2 levels of Ranger.
    "He can choose feats from his selected combat style, even if he does not have the normal prerequisites."
    Weapon and Shield Style offers Shield Slam at level 2 (like I stated before).
    And Shield Master at level 6 (also stated before).
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    Originally Posted by grarrrg
    Weapon and Shield Style offers Shield Slam at level 2....
    Thanks for clarifying. I'm still fairly new to Pathfinder and didn't realize you were referring to the APG.

    Originally Posted by grarrrg
    And Shield Master at level 6 (also stated before).
    Which regrettably won't help me, since I only have four levels to work with, as per thread title.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Palanan View Post
    Shield Slam requires a +6 BAB, which won't work here. Is there a ranger archetype that gets this earlier?



    I'm not familiar with Martial Versatility, and I'm not sure how it would work here, since I'd like his shield to be his only weapon.
    I meant Martial Flexibility. My bad.

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    Path of War's Vanguard Commando archetype for Warlord.

    You get the leadership stuff and the shield stuff, all in one super fun package.

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    Was my first idea as well, but he said no 3p, so thats off the table as well.
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    Well, then. Everything else just feels like a dull replacement to me.
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    Since I don't think anyone's linked it yet: Shield Champion Brawler

    There you go, Cap in 1st-party.
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