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    A simple solution to the vampire problem.

    Step 1) Heal up Roy, no rule against that, (and he doesn't run out of 'swing sword' slots).

    Step 2) Realize the vampire choose his successor completely at random, so she is NOT likely as strong as the vampire dwarf.

    Step 3) Realize all the other vampires took off to brainwash the dwarf council.

    Step 4) Destroyed current vampire high priest of Hel.

    Step 5) No cleric, no vote for Hel, no tie, no tie breaker from the demi-gods.

    Step 6) Hel is forced to have one of her minions return.

    step 7) Roy takes a page out of the vampire's playbook and appoints V the new body guard, so he can zap through the shell of anti-life.

    Step 8) Rinse and repeat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alex Warlorn View Post
    Step 4) Destroyed current vampire high priest of Hel.
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    step 7) Roy takes a page out of the vampire's playbook and appoints V the new body guard, so he can zap through the shell of anti-life.
    If Roy's not the bodyguard of the new High Priest of Hel, he'll be executed for destroying her. If he's not, he has no standing to appoint a new bodyguard. Although I suppose that isn't actually relevant, because....

    Quote Originally Posted by Alex Warlorn View Post
    Step 5) No cleric, no vote for Hel, no tie, no tie breaker from the demi-gods.

    Step 6) Hel is forced to have one of her minions return.
    No tie means the vote is concluded, doesn't it? Why would Hel have one of her minions return when it's too late instead of, say, having all of them go after the Gate to get the gods to destroy the world despite the vote...which might be happening anyway?
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    I'm not sure why you think healing Roy is allowed. If he's a member of the church, then it's the same scenario already described, and the other side will buff the vampire. If he's not a member of the church, then the other side is going to attack him as an intruder interfering with the vote.

    Also, Hel's vote is already cast and finished. The vote has moved on to the demigods. Killing the high priest now doesn't do anything. He would have to kill one of the representatives of the demigods to affect the vote now, and then you're back at the other side destroying him.

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    Also, Hel's vote is already cast and finished. The vote has moved on to the demigods. Killing the high priest now doesn't do anything.
    Are you sure? The vote would have moved on to the demigods as soon as Hel's vote was cast, before Roy's attempt to neutralize the vote and HPoH at the same time. And why bother leaving a new high priestess at all if it was unnecessary?
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    I agree with Jasdoif. The other high priests seem pretty resigned to the fact they'll be spending a couple of days in that chamber while the demigod vote is decided--if the votes were now "locked in" there would be nothing stopping them leaving.

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    Roy most certainly doesn't have the power to appoint a new bodyguard. A high priest can resign from their post at any moment, and appoint a successor, but if a bodyguard does the same, the decision of picking a new bodyguard would most likely fall into the high priest's hand, so Roy would simply be losing any leverage he has, and getting some random vampire get the same level of protection he now enjoys.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Roland Itiative View Post
    Roy most certainly doesn't have the power to appoint a new bodyguard. A high priest can resign from their post at any moment, and appoint a successor, but if a bodyguard does the same, the decision of picking a new bodyguard would most likely fall into the high priest's hand, so Roy would simply be losing any leverage he has, and getting some random vampire get the same level of protection he now enjoys.
    "Most likely" doesn't factor into the rules of the godsmoot.

    We seem to be running on "if it doesn't say I can't then I can."

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    I'm under the assumption that since Roy stopped his attack when the demigod vote started, that until they entered, he could still effect the vote. This is backed up by his request that the halfling stall them from entering the room.

    But aside from that, op's theory was explicitly addressed in the strip. Imagine the loophole if you could just send a non affiliated assassin into the meeting and heal him with no repercussions.

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    If the priests have to be present for their deity's vote to continue count, couldn't just any one of the clerics of the "Destroy the world" faction just leave and nullify their deity's vote?

    It seems that there might be a high priest or two (or a deity or two) that might want to nullify their vote given the circumstances.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Reddish Mage View Post
    If the priests have to be present for their deity's vote to continue count, couldn't just any one of the clerics of the "Destroy the world" faction just leave and nullify their deity's vote?

    It seems that there might be a high priest or two (or a deity or two) that might want to nullify their vote given the circumstances.
    Highly unlikely. Could they? Yes. But why? Remember these aren't just random employees of a business. These are *priests*. Sworn to the service and glory of a god that they actually KNOW is real. They ultimately believe in their god's wisdom to do the right thing even when they don't see it. They believe in the cause and trust their deity, or they would never have become priests in the first place. See the last two panels here: http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots1002.html Now, if the vote is to destroy the world, would they and their families die? Yes. Would they consider that worse than a chance that the Snarl might literally UNCREATE the souls of their family if things go wrong? Doubtful.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NerdyKris View Post
    I'm under the assumption that since Roy stopped his attack when the demigod vote started
    Roy was still trying to attack through the anti-life shell after six of the demigods had voted.
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    You're right on that part. It looked like he stopped, but he started up again.

    Quote Originally Posted by Reddish Mage View Post
    If the priests have to be present for their deity's vote to continue count, couldn't just any one of the clerics of the "Destroy the world" faction just leave and nullify their deity's vote?

    It seems that there might be a high priest or two (or a deity or two) that might want to nullify their vote given the circumstances.
    As has been mentioned hundreds of times on this board and shown in the comic, they cannot physically leave. There's a giant barrier surrounding the room. That's why the halfling couldn't just go get them, he had to yell "CAKE".
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    As has been mentioned hundreds of times on this board and shown in the comic, they cannot physically leave. There's a giant barrier surrounding the room.
    A barrier that clearly doesn't block teleportation, because Durkula just got out that way. It just needs a priest to have prepared Word of Recall and they can leave just fine. I don't think they will, because of the aforementioned "I believe in my God and will do what it takes to preserve their vote" sort of thing.

    Although...now I'm thinking along those lines, how is *Roy* going to get out? AFAIK there is no divine equivalent to teleportation (other than Word of Recall, which only works for one person to a specific location) and the only arcane caster anywhere around can't teleport either--so is he stuck inside the room for the duration?

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    The only people who have left are some vampires with no formal role in the Godsmoot anymore. The barrier or some other magic might well block Word of Recall when used by someone who actually matters.
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    Quote Originally Posted by factotum View Post
    Although...now I'm thinking along those lines, how is *Roy* going to get out? AFAIK there is no divine equivalent to teleportation (other than Word of Recall, which only works for one person to a specific location) and the only arcane caster anywhere around can't teleport either--so is he stuck inside the room for the duration?
    My guess (based on nothing) is the 'barrier' is more a 'zone marker'. If you're inside the zone, you count as part of the Godsmoot. Leaving the zone disqualifies you. That's why Hpo Baldr didn't pass the barrier; he didn't want to negate his vote. People can enter the zone (Creed vamps, Hpo Demis), and we've seen no evidence it would physically block someone's exit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bobb View Post
    "Most likely" doesn't factor into the rules of the godsmoot.

    We seem to be running on "if it doesn't say I can't then I can."
    It's just logic, really. A bodyguard doesn't hire himself, he gets hired by the person who needs guarding. So it makes no sense for a bodyguard to be able to transplant his post to someone else without the consent and agreement of the person who hired him. At most he can leave his post, at which point the decision to pick a new bodyguard goes to the High Priest of Hel.
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    Quote Originally Posted by factotum View Post
    A barrier that clearly doesn't block teleportation, because Durkula just got out that way. It just needs a priest to have prepared Word of Recall and they can leave just fine. I don't think they will, because of the aforementioned "I believe in my God and will do what it takes to preserve their vote" sort of thing.

    Although...now I'm thinking along those lines, how is *Roy* going to get out? AFAIK there is no divine equivalent to teleportation (other than Word of Recall, which only works for one person to a specific location) and the only arcane caster anywhere around can't teleport either--so is he stuck inside the room for the duration?
    I'm guessing the Godsmoot will be formally over by the time Roy is ready to leave, at which point the barrier might be removed automatically.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 137ben View Post
    I'm guessing the Godsmoot will be formally over by the time Roy is ready to leave, at which point the barrier might be removed automatically.
    So, Roy is just going to ignore that Durkula has teleported out and will wait quietly in the meeting hall until the demigod vote is done?

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