Page 1 of 2 12 LastLast
Results 1 to 30 of 35
  1. - Top - End - #1
    Barbarian in the Playground
    Join Date
    Apr 2007

    Default Simple solution to the 'vampire problem'

    A simple solution to the vampire problem.

    Step 1) Heal up Roy, no rule against that, (and he doesn't run out of 'swing sword' slots).

    Step 2) Realize the vampire choose his successor completely at random, so she is NOT likely as strong as the vampire dwarf.

    Step 3) Realize all the other vampires took off to brainwash the dwarf council.

    Step 4) Destroyed current vampire high priest of Hel.

    Step 5) No cleric, no vote for Hel, no tie, no tie breaker from the demi-gods.

    Step 6) Hel is forced to have one of her minions return.

    step 7) Roy takes a page out of the vampire's playbook and appoints V the new body guard, so he can zap through the shell of anti-life.

    Step 8) Rinse and repeat.

  2. - Top - End - #2
    Troll in the Playground
     
    Jasdoif's Avatar

    Join Date
    Mar 2007
    Location
    Oregon, USA

    Default Re: Simple solution to the 'vampire problem'

    Quote Originally Posted by Alex Warlorn View Post
    Step 4) Destroyed current vampire high priest of Hel.
    ....
    step 7) Roy takes a page out of the vampire's playbook and appoints V the new body guard, so he can zap through the shell of anti-life.
    If Roy's not the bodyguard of the new High Priest of Hel, he'll be executed for destroying her. If he's not, he has no standing to appoint a new bodyguard. Although I suppose that isn't actually relevant, because....

    Quote Originally Posted by Alex Warlorn View Post
    Step 5) No cleric, no vote for Hel, no tie, no tie breaker from the demi-gods.

    Step 6) Hel is forced to have one of her minions return.
    No tie means the vote is concluded, doesn't it? Why would Hel have one of her minions return when it's too late instead of, say, having all of them go after the Gate to get the gods to destroy the world despite the vote...which might be happening anyway?

  3. - Top - End - #3
    Bugbear in the Playground
    Join Date
    Jul 2012

    Default Re: Simple solution to the 'vampire problem'

    I'm not sure why you think healing Roy is allowed. If he's a member of the church, then it's the same scenario already described, and the other side will buff the vampire. If he's not a member of the church, then the other side is going to attack him as an intruder interfering with the vote.

    Also, Hel's vote is already cast and finished. The vote has moved on to the demigods. Killing the high priest now doesn't do anything. He would have to kill one of the representatives of the demigods to affect the vote now, and then you're back at the other side destroying him.

  4. - Top - End - #4
    Troll in the Playground
     
    Jasdoif's Avatar

    Join Date
    Mar 2007
    Location
    Oregon, USA

    Default Re: Simple solution to the 'vampire problem'

    Quote Originally Posted by NerdyKris View Post
    Also, Hel's vote is already cast and finished. The vote has moved on to the demigods. Killing the high priest now doesn't do anything.
    Are you sure? The vote would have moved on to the demigods as soon as Hel's vote was cast, before Roy's attempt to neutralize the vote and HPoH at the same time. And why bother leaving a new high priestess at all if it was unnecessary?

  5. - Top - End - #5
    Titan in the Playground
     
    BlackDragon

    Join Date
    Feb 2007
    Location
    Manchester, UK
    Gender
    Male

    Default Re: Simple solution to the 'vampire problem'

    I agree with Jasdoif. The other high priests seem pretty resigned to the fact they'll be spending a couple of days in that chamber while the demigod vote is decided--if the votes were now "locked in" there would be nothing stopping them leaving.

  6. - Top - End - #6
    Barbarian in the Playground
     
    RangerGuy

    Join Date
    Feb 2010

    Default Re: Simple solution to the 'vampire problem'

    Roy most certainly doesn't have the power to appoint a new bodyguard. A high priest can resign from their post at any moment, and appoint a successor, but if a bodyguard does the same, the decision of picking a new bodyguard would most likely fall into the high priest's hand, so Roy would simply be losing any leverage he has, and getting some random vampire get the same level of protection he now enjoys.
    Quote Originally Posted by Stricken View Post
    I tip my hat to you, Giant. For every person who rules-nitpicks you, there are bound to be ten times as many fans who are just blown away by how excellent your storytelling is.

  7. - Top - End - #7
    Orc in the Playground
     
    PirateGuy

    Join Date
    Mar 2012

    Default Re: Simple solution to the 'vampire problem'

    Quote Originally Posted by Roland Itiative View Post
    Roy most certainly doesn't have the power to appoint a new bodyguard. A high priest can resign from their post at any moment, and appoint a successor, but if a bodyguard does the same, the decision of picking a new bodyguard would most likely fall into the high priest's hand, so Roy would simply be losing any leverage he has, and getting some random vampire get the same level of protection he now enjoys.
    "Most likely" doesn't factor into the rules of the godsmoot.

    We seem to be running on "if it doesn't say I can't then I can."

  8. - Top - End - #8
    Bugbear in the Playground
    Join Date
    Jul 2012

    Default Re: Simple solution to the 'vampire problem'

    I'm under the assumption that since Roy stopped his attack when the demigod vote started, that until they entered, he could still effect the vote. This is backed up by his request that the halfling stall them from entering the room.

    But aside from that, op's theory was explicitly addressed in the strip. Imagine the loophole if you could just send a non affiliated assassin into the meeting and heal him with no repercussions.

  9. - Top - End - #9
    Ogre in the Playground
     
    Reddish Mage's Avatar

    Join Date
    Mar 2013
    Location
    Indiana's bluer neighbor
    Gender
    Male

    Default Re: Simple solution to the 'vampire problem'

    If the priests have to be present for their deity's vote to continue count, couldn't just any one of the clerics of the "Destroy the world" faction just leave and nullify their deity's vote?

    It seems that there might be a high priest or two (or a deity or two) that might want to nullify their vote given the circumstances.
    Quote Originally Posted by Morty View Post
    It would have been awesome if the writers had put as much thought into it as you guys do.
    The laws of physics are not crying in a corner, they are bawling in the forums.

    Thanks to half-halfling for the avatar

  10. - Top - End - #10
    Halfling in the Playground
     
    Goblin

    Join Date
    Jul 2012

    Default Re: Simple solution to the 'vampire problem'

    Quote Originally Posted by Reddish Mage View Post
    If the priests have to be present for their deity's vote to continue count, couldn't just any one of the clerics of the "Destroy the world" faction just leave and nullify their deity's vote?

    It seems that there might be a high priest or two (or a deity or two) that might want to nullify their vote given the circumstances.
    Highly unlikely. Could they? Yes. But why? Remember these aren't just random employees of a business. These are *priests*. Sworn to the service and glory of a god that they actually KNOW is real. They ultimately believe in their god's wisdom to do the right thing even when they don't see it. They believe in the cause and trust their deity, or they would never have become priests in the first place. See the last two panels here: http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots1002.html Now, if the vote is to destroy the world, would they and their families die? Yes. Would they consider that worse than a chance that the Snarl might literally UNCREATE the souls of their family if things go wrong? Doubtful.

  11. - Top - End - #11
    Troll in the Playground
     
    Jasdoif's Avatar

    Join Date
    Mar 2007
    Location
    Oregon, USA

    Default Re: Simple solution to the 'vampire problem'

    Quote Originally Posted by NerdyKris View Post
    I'm under the assumption that since Roy stopped his attack when the demigod vote started
    Roy was still trying to attack through the anti-life shell after six of the demigods had voted.

  12. - Top - End - #12
    Bugbear in the Playground
    Join Date
    Jul 2012

    Default Re: Simple solution to the 'vampire problem'

    You're right on that part. It looked like he stopped, but he started up again.

    Quote Originally Posted by Reddish Mage View Post
    If the priests have to be present for their deity's vote to continue count, couldn't just any one of the clerics of the "Destroy the world" faction just leave and nullify their deity's vote?

    It seems that there might be a high priest or two (or a deity or two) that might want to nullify their vote given the circumstances.
    As has been mentioned hundreds of times on this board and shown in the comic, they cannot physically leave. There's a giant barrier surrounding the room. That's why the halfling couldn't just go get them, he had to yell "CAKE".
    Last edited by NerdyKris; 2016-02-06 at 07:31 AM.

  13. - Top - End - #13
    Titan in the Playground
     
    BlackDragon

    Join Date
    Feb 2007
    Location
    Manchester, UK
    Gender
    Male

    Default Re: Simple solution to the 'vampire problem'

    Quote Originally Posted by NerdyKris View Post
    As has been mentioned hundreds of times on this board and shown in the comic, they cannot physically leave. There's a giant barrier surrounding the room.
    A barrier that clearly doesn't block teleportation, because Durkula just got out that way. It just needs a priest to have prepared Word of Recall and they can leave just fine. I don't think they will, because of the aforementioned "I believe in my God and will do what it takes to preserve their vote" sort of thing.

    Although...now I'm thinking along those lines, how is *Roy* going to get out? AFAIK there is no divine equivalent to teleportation (other than Word of Recall, which only works for one person to a specific location) and the only arcane caster anywhere around can't teleport either--so is he stuck inside the room for the duration?

  14. - Top - End - #14
    Orc in the Playground
     
    hroşila's Avatar

    Join Date
    Jun 2015

    Default Re: Simple solution to the 'vampire problem'

    The only people who have left are some vampires with no formal role in the Godsmoot anymore. The barrier or some other magic might well block Word of Recall when used by someone who actually matters.
    ungelic is us

  15. - Top - End - #15
    Barbarian in the Playground
     
    SolithKnightGuy

    Join Date
    Sep 2006
    Gender
    Male

    Default Re: Simple solution to the 'vampire problem'

    Quote Originally Posted by factotum View Post
    Although...now I'm thinking along those lines, how is *Roy* going to get out? AFAIK there is no divine equivalent to teleportation (other than Word of Recall, which only works for one person to a specific location) and the only arcane caster anywhere around can't teleport either--so is he stuck inside the room for the duration?
    My guess (based on nothing) is the 'barrier' is more a 'zone marker'. If you're inside the zone, you count as part of the Godsmoot. Leaving the zone disqualifies you. That's why Hpo Baldr didn't pass the barrier; he didn't want to negate his vote. People can enter the zone (Creed vamps, Hpo Demis), and we've seen no evidence it would physically block someone's exit.
    I admit full culpability for Phyrnglsnyx

  16. - Top - End - #16
    Barbarian in the Playground
     
    RangerGuy

    Join Date
    Feb 2010

    Default Re: Simple solution to the 'vampire problem'

    Quote Originally Posted by Bobb View Post
    "Most likely" doesn't factor into the rules of the godsmoot.

    We seem to be running on "if it doesn't say I can't then I can."
    It's just logic, really. A bodyguard doesn't hire himself, he gets hired by the person who needs guarding. So it makes no sense for a bodyguard to be able to transplant his post to someone else without the consent and agreement of the person who hired him. At most he can leave his post, at which point the decision to pick a new bodyguard goes to the High Priest of Hel.
    Quote Originally Posted by Stricken View Post
    I tip my hat to you, Giant. For every person who rules-nitpicks you, there are bound to be ten times as many fans who are just blown away by how excellent your storytelling is.

  17. - Top - End - #17
    Troll in the Playground
    Join Date
    Aug 2009

    Default Re: Simple solution to the 'vampire problem'

    Quote Originally Posted by factotum View Post
    A barrier that clearly doesn't block teleportation, because Durkula just got out that way. It just needs a priest to have prepared Word of Recall and they can leave just fine. I don't think they will, because of the aforementioned "I believe in my God and will do what it takes to preserve their vote" sort of thing.

    Although...now I'm thinking along those lines, how is *Roy* going to get out? AFAIK there is no divine equivalent to teleportation (other than Word of Recall, which only works for one person to a specific location) and the only arcane caster anywhere around can't teleport either--so is he stuck inside the room for the duration?
    I'm guessing the Godsmoot will be formally over by the time Roy is ready to leave, at which point the barrier might be removed automatically.
    Quote Originally Posted by Flickerdart View Post
    If Orcus was a nesting doll, that would certainly make the whole thing work smoother. When you cast a level 1 summoning spell, you summon the little Orcus from the middle, but when you cast Gate, you get the really big Orcus that holds all the small Orcuses.
    Extended Signature
    The Ultimate Linear Guild Tournament is over!
    Follower of the Cult of Mayflower. Praise be unto the Lunar Prophet, Luna_Mayflower, who blesses us with 100% accurate predictions.

  18. - Top - End - #18
    Titan in the Playground
     
    BlackDragon

    Join Date
    Feb 2007
    Location
    Manchester, UK
    Gender
    Male

    Default Re: Simple solution to the 'vampire problem'

    Quote Originally Posted by 137ben View Post
    I'm guessing the Godsmoot will be formally over by the time Roy is ready to leave, at which point the barrier might be removed automatically.
    So, Roy is just going to ignore that Durkula has teleported out and will wait quietly in the meeting hall until the demigod vote is done?

  19. - Top - End - #19
    Troll in the Playground
    Join Date
    Aug 2009

    Default Re: Simple solution to the 'vampire problem'

    Quote Originally Posted by factotum View Post
    So, Roy is just going to ignore that Durkula has teleported out and will wait quietly in the meeting hall until the demigod vote is done?
    Well, at the time of my last post on this thread (which was before strip 1022 was posted), I had thought that Roy would still be allowed to kill the new HPoH. I was guessing that he would do so, rendering the tiebreaking moot, and ending the Godsmoot (and then the Order would still have to go stop HPoH from vampirizing the entire dwarven homelands and destroying the final gate to trigger the end of the world in spite of the vote).

    Now that Roy is no longer formally a body guard, I think a more likely possibility is that the barrier only prevents those with a formal role in the Moot from leaving (which Roy doesn't have anymore). Either that, or he'll find some way to escape that I haven't thought of.
    Last edited by 137ben; 2016-02-10 at 05:14 PM.
    Quote Originally Posted by Flickerdart View Post
    If Orcus was a nesting doll, that would certainly make the whole thing work smoother. When you cast a level 1 summoning spell, you summon the little Orcus from the middle, but when you cast Gate, you get the really big Orcus that holds all the small Orcuses.
    Extended Signature
    The Ultimate Linear Guild Tournament is over!
    Follower of the Cult of Mayflower. Praise be unto the Lunar Prophet, Luna_Mayflower, who blesses us with 100% accurate predictions.

  20. - Top - End - #20
    Ettin in the Playground
     
    SwashbucklerGuy

    Join Date
    Oct 2010
    Location
    Dallas, TX
    Gender
    Male

    Default Re: Simple solution to the 'vampire problem'

    There is no "simple solution" to the problem that's supposed to be the major plot in this book.

    The author isn't out to prevent Rich's plots from developing. He really isn't.

  21. - Top - End - #21
    Orc in the Playground
     
    ElfPirate

    Join Date
    Oct 2015

    Default Re: Simple solution to the 'vampire problem'

    Quote Originally Posted by Alex Warlorn View Post
    A simple solution to the vampire problem.

    Step 1) Heal up Roy, no rule against that, (and he doesn't run out of 'swing sword' slots).

    Step 2) Realize the vampire choose his successor completely at random, so she is NOT likely as strong as the vampire dwarf.

    Step 3) Realize all the other vampires took off to brainwash the dwarf council.

    Step 4) Destroyed current vampire high priest of Hel.

    Step 5) No cleric, no vote for Hel, no tie, no tie breaker from the demi-gods.

    Step 6) Hel is forced to have one of her minions return.

    step 7) Roy takes a page out of the vampire's playbook and appoints V the new body guard, so he can zap through the shell of anti-life.

    Step 8) Rinse and repeat.
    I fail to see how eight steps makes this simple.

    I fail to see why Roy would be allowed to perform steps 4 and 7.

    Finally, I fail to see why this thread was needed, considering "kill the High Priest of Hel" is not a novel solution and indeed is the exact thing Roy has been trying to do for what is now months in real time.

    Quote Originally Posted by Rift_Wolf View Post
    My guess (based on nothing) is the 'barrier' is more a 'zone marker'. If you're inside the zone, you count as part of the Godsmoot. Leaving the zone disqualifies you. That's why Hpo Baldr didn't pass the barrier; he didn't want to negate his vote. People can enter the zone (Creed vamps, Hpo Demis), and we've seen no evidence it would physically block someone's exit.
    I'm pretty sure that Rich has clarified it is magical and does keep them there.

  22. - Top - End - #22
    Bugbear in the Playground
    Join Date
    Jul 2012

    Default Re: Simple solution to the 'vampire problem'

    Quote Originally Posted by Jay R View Post
    There is no "simple solution" to the problem that's supposed to be the major plot in this book.

    The author isn't out to prevent Rich's plots from developing. He really isn't.
    Uh, the author is Rich...

  23. - Top - End - #23
    Bugbear in the Playground
     
    WolfInSheepsClothing

    Join Date
    Feb 2008
    Location
    Italy
    Gender
    Male

    Default Re: Simple solution to the 'vampire problem'

    roy explicitly considered that solution in the comic. the oother priest are bound by the rules to zap him if he attacks the vampire - yes, even the good ones will attack him - so he could get one full round attack before becoming dust. he says that maybe - MAYBE - he may be able to finish her in that round, but that would leave the oots without his leadership while xykon keeps messing with the gate. and we all know how useless the oots is without roy's leadership; there was a whole book devoted to it. so, roy is trying to stay alive because he has to stop hel and stop xykon afterwards. also, stoppping the plan to dominate the dwarf elders seems a better plan that tryiing to one-shot the vampire woman.
    In memory of Evisceratus: he dreamed of a better world, but he lacked the class levels to make the dream come true.

  24. - Top - End - #24
    Barbarian in the Playground
     
    BarbarianGuy

    Join Date
    Apr 2012

    Default Re: Simple solution to the 'vampire problem'

    Quote Originally Posted by NerdyKris View Post
    Uh, the author is Rich...
    Which does not invalidate his statement at all. if anything, it could be considered rather strong supporting evidence.


    Homebrew Works in progress:

    Demolitionist

  25. - Top - End - #25
    Ettin in the Playground
     
    SwashbucklerGuy

    Join Date
    Oct 2010
    Location
    Dallas, TX
    Gender
    Male

    Default Re: Simple solution to the 'vampire problem'

    Quote Originally Posted by NerdyKris View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Jay R View Post
    There is no "simple solution" to the problem that's supposed to be the major plot in this book.

    The author isn't out to prevent Rich's plots from developing. He really isn't.
    Uh, the author is Rich...
    Yes, that's the point. People keep coming up with clever ways that the story could be written to prevent the plot from unfolding. It isn't going to be written that way.

    This isn't a group of players trying to cleverly prevent the DM's plot from developing. It's a story.

    It isn't going to be written to keep the author's plot from developing.

  26. - Top - End - #26
    Bugbear in the Playground
    Join Date
    Jul 2012

    Default Re: Simple solution to the 'vampire problem'

    oooh, I get it.

  27. - Top - End - #27
    Ettin in the Playground
     
    SwashbucklerGuy

    Join Date
    Oct 2010
    Location
    Dallas, TX
    Gender
    Male

    Default Re: Simple solution to the 'vampire problem'

    Quote Originally Posted by NerdyKris View Post
    oooh, I get it.
    Cool! A little back and forth and we've finally really communicated.

    It's so satisfying when the Internet works the way it's supposed to.

  28. - Top - End - #28
    Pixie in the Playground
     
    ElfRangerGuy

    Join Date
    Dec 2015
    Gender
    Male

    Default Re: Simple solution to the 'vampire problem'

    Big flaw in your plan.......


    The other clerics will kill Roy if he kills the High Priestess of Hel. As you said, the High Priestess is pretty weak, and there's no point in Roy dying to kill her when the Exarch or one of the other vampires can easily act as a stand-in.

  29. - Top - End - #29
    Troll in the Playground
     
    Gift Jeraff's Avatar

    Join Date
    Jul 2009

    Default Re: Simple solution to the 'vampire problem'

    Has anyone pointed out that Roy can just kill the
    THE SCRYING EYE AT THE END OF STRIP #698 WAS ZZ'DTRI'S

    Quote Originally Posted by The Giant View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Gift Jeraff View Post
    elan: dad plz dont kill roy
    tarquin: ok
    Damn it! Now I have to rewrite the script for #917.

  30. - Top - End - #30
    Dwarf in the Playground
    Join Date
    Aug 2010

    Default Re: Simple solution to the 'vampire problem'

    Quote Originally Posted by Mandor View Post
    Highly unlikely. Could they? Yes. But why?
    Because they know their god wants to change his vote but can't because of Loki's no backsies rule? It's pretty clear Hel expected at least one of the Yes votes to swing the other way if the gods knew she was voting. That god could presumably just order his representative to leave (or kill himself) and obtain the same outcome. Of course while that seems a workable solution for a tactical puzzle, it's a boring one for a story plot.

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •