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2016-02-11, 01:29 AM (ISO 8601)
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Find Familiar...
Am I the only one who thinks it's weird that it's only on the Wizard spell list?
The only reason that I can think of for it not being on the Sorcerer spell list (other than WotC seems to hate the Sorcerer), is the possibility of Twinning Find Familiar and getting two of them.Last edited by DracoKnight; 2016-02-11 at 01:29 AM.
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2016-02-11, 01:38 AM (ISO 8601)
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2016-02-11, 02:54 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Find Familiar...
It is only on the wizard list, but it is not because of Twinned Spell. That Metamagic only works on spells that target one creature only and don't have a range of self, and the language of the spell never indicates that the target is necessarily the familiar. Now, if that is false and it does target the celestial/fey/devil, Chain Sorclock gets a major boon as they now have two great familiars.
Originally Posted by krugaan
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2016-02-11, 03:00 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Find Familiar...
Magic initiate feat will let anyone grab it, even the ritual feat. But it is odd.
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2016-02-11, 03:03 AM (ISO 8601)
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In some ways, it makes sense. Familiars are essentially magic helpers, which fits in with the scholarly aspect of wizards who need someone to handle minutiae for them. Thematically, it doesn't jive as well with the spontaneous, innate spellcasting of the Sorcerer, or the divine powers of the cleric.
Originally Posted by krugaan
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2016-02-11, 03:15 AM (ISO 8601)
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2016-02-11, 09:28 AM (ISO 8601)
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I can see it now... the cleric with their wise, owl familiar, sends him off to an ally to cure their wounds at a distance, only to discover their ally is DEATHLY afraid of birds. And having a silent bird of prey suddenly show up next to them and want to touch them triggers an epileptic episode.
What? It can happen.Avatar by linklele.
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2016-02-11, 09:54 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Find Familiar...
There are lots of ways for characters, other than wizards, to gain access to the spell.
1. Magic initiate feat.
2. Ritual caster feat.
3. Fighters (Eldritch knights, 3rd+)
4. Rogues (Arcane trickster, 3rd+)
5. Warlock (Pact of Chain, 3rd+; or Pact of Tomb + book of ancient secrets 5th+)
6. Bard (Lore college 6th+; or using magical secrets 10th+)
I think they never gave it to sorcerers as they wanted to make the spell lists more unique and sorcerers weren't given ritual casting. It makes the wizard different than the sorcerer. Given that there are two feats which can gain access to the spell fairly easily... it is hardly that much of a deal.
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2016-02-11, 10:05 AM (ISO 8601)
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My idea for a cleric was to take Find Familiar through a feat, go Trickster domain, and then hide all the time. Only send out the familiar to heal people while hiding.
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2016-02-11, 10:11 AM (ISO 8601)
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Find Familiar + Death Domain + Inflict Wounds + Channel Divinity = 100ft Amazing nova 3d10+9 at level 4
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2016-02-11, 11:24 AM (ISO 8601)
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2016-02-11, 12:10 PM (ISO 8601)
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I also wish more classes would have that spell without wasting a precious feat. It would make a perfect innofensive animal companion for ranger/druid. And i wouldn't mind using one of my spell known to get one with a blade-warlock or sorcerer.
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2016-02-11, 12:34 PM (ISO 8601)
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Warlock, I understand, they want to keep the Chainlock special. Ranger would probably want to keep the animal companion special, so that doesn't make as much sense. Cleric would make sense with the helper's type being limited by your deity (some deities get celestials, some fey, some devils), but I can also see why they don't get them. Sorcerer doesn't get them due to *murmursomefluffmurmur* that perfectly explains it, and also ties into why they don't get rituals.
Originally Posted by krugaan
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2016-02-11, 01:54 PM (ISO 8601)
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2016-02-11, 02:00 PM (ISO 8601)
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I have an idea for a Paladin / Ranger multiclass that picks up Find Familiar so that I can have a familiar, an animal companion (Ranger), and a steed (Paladin). The True Beastmaster!
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2016-02-11, 02:24 PM (ISO 8601)
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2016-02-11, 02:27 PM (ISO 8601)
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2016-02-11, 02:54 PM (ISO 8601)
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2016-02-16, 01:14 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Find Familiar...
One of wizards' chief class abilities is how THICK their spell list is. They have, by far, the most spells out of any caster. Most of the neat things a wizard gets a sorcerer both doesn't have the spells known to grab it, and it's not on his spell list. But the sorcerer has more raw power, keeping in line with the idea of a sorcerer.
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