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    Default Re: The Index of the Giant's Comments V―On a Saner Forum, We Wouldn't Need this Index

    Quote Originally Posted by Ron Miel View Post
    The point is, one online strip says Thirden is Durkon's uncle, another online strip says they are not related. This apparent contradiction has confused at least one person.
    False. The question was raised on June 22, 2015. The strip saying they are not related was published on July 19, 2018.
    Quote Originally Posted by Ron Miel View Post
    Remember, not all readers are native English speakers. They can miss subtleties of language such as the use of Uncle as meaning "family friend."
    The convention exists in multiple cultures, and is not specific only to Anglo-derived people.
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    Ron Miel perhaps this will make things clear for you.

    Thuth... I am a male who baby sat for 3 year old girl that I was not related to.
    This girl was blonde hair blue eyes. I am brown hair brown eyes.

    She was 4 foot tall at 4 years old I am 5 foot 4 inches tall.

    A code Adam was called in a department store when we walked in.
    Code Adam description: all exits are blocked by security. Store detectives are sent to follow the adult and child. They confront the adult to make them leave the child to await police. This is to rescue kidnapped victims.

    Mom worked at the store. A Co-worker knew me so after telephone call and paying attention to her actions it got called off.

    Had a city chief of police question the relationship. Telling people I was her "uncle by marriage" relieved all suspension and was accepted for me to have contact with her. Never had to resort to that tactic but it would have worked perfectly.
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    Default Re: The Index of the Giant's Comments V―On a Saner Forum, We Wouldn't Need this Index

    Far more pages have been wasted arguing over this than the single reference actually takes up.

    And the page-to-new-quote ratio in the past couple of threads cycles between tedious and ridiculous.

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    Default Re: The Index of the Giant's Comments V―On a Saner Forum, We Wouldn't Need this Index

    Quote Originally Posted by Throknor View Post
    Far more pages have been wasted arguing over this than the single reference actually takes up.
    Then it's a good thing I don't use the discussion to search for quotes.
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    Default Re: The Index of the Giant's Comments V―On a Saner Forum, We Wouldn't Need this Index

    Quote Originally Posted by Peelee View Post
    Then it's a good thing I don't use the discussion to search for quotes.
    Agreed.

    As for the current topic, its not the job of this index to explain common communication conventions. If somebody gets confused, literally anybody can just explain that calling somebody aunt/uncle without them actually being related is a common thing, we don't need a special quote from the Giant to clear it up.
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    Default Re: The Index of the Giant's Comments V―On a Saner Forum, We Wouldn't Need this Index

    Quote Originally Posted by Throknor View Post
    And the page-to-new-quote ratio in the past couple of threads cycles between tedious and ridiculous.
    I think the new-quote-over-time rate is the bigger factor there.

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    Default Re: The Index of the Giant's Comments V―On a Saner Forum, We Wouldn't Need this Index

    I think we should delete it.
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    Default Re: The Index of the Giant's Comments V―On a Saner Forum, We Wouldn't Need this Index

    Think this comment could be added to the 'art' section.

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    Default Re: The Index of the Giant's Comments V―On a Saner Forum, We Wouldn't Need this Index

    Quote Originally Posted by Resileaf View Post
    Think this comment could be added to the 'art' section.
    Agreed. The post in question, to save y'all a click:
    Quote Originally Posted by The Giant View Post
    It's an art mistake. Fixed now.

    I often draw comic panels out of order based on what I feel like doing first or last, whether that's due to mood or difficulty or what have you. In this case, I drew those end panels early on, but I didn't decide she was going to lose her axe until I drew the overhead-shot panel and decided I wanted the axe at the bottom to illustrate the distance down. I didn't notice the axe was still in the end shot afterwards.
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    Default Re: The Index of the Giant's Comments V―On a Saner Forum, We Wouldn't Need this Index

    I agree as well.
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    Default Re: The Index of the Giant's Comments V―On a Saner Forum, We Wouldn't Need this Index

    Also agreed.
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    Default Re: The Index of the Giant's Comments V―On a Saner Forum, We Wouldn't Need this Index

    I also concur.
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    Default Re: The Index of the Giant's Comments V―On a Saner Forum, We Wouldn't Need this Index

    Okay since the next update cycle is at most fifteen days away....


    It's looking like these two will get in without a vote....

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    "...based on what I feel like doing first or last, whether that's due to mood or difficulty or what have you."
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    Miko's Blade Blood-Bathing Comment in #120
    "...she's under the impression that some clearly evil force like a giant demon or something is responsible, so the speech there is mostly grandstanding. Once she sees Durkon explains they are not evil, the bloodlust backs away."
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    No one's commented on my proposed rewording of these two, and that's always done at my discretion....

    Nonsubstantive Alterations
    "How the Paladin Got His Scar" is in the New Art Style
    Unless it's meant to be inserted in the middle of older art. Also, How the Paladin Got His Scar is in grayscale instead of bluescale, because the color-less art's reliance on dark separating lines didn't work out with a single blue color.
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    And at last count, there was a majority that considers Thirden not being Durkon's biological uncle unworthy of inclusion; so if that trend remains intact it'll come to a vote.

    Substantive Alterations
    About Thirden
    He made an effort to improve his diction over the years, and "Squeaky" is a nickname about his singing voice.
    #991 2015/06/22


    And of course, the removal of the no-longer-available Roy Fighting HPoH at the Godsmoot quote is not optional (as I've been moderator-a-ly informed not to get around the thread no longer being publicly visible, so it can't possibly meet Rule A now); and splitting "Character Development and Backstory" into its own category isn't going to have much difference since that post of mine.
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    Default Re: The Index of the Giant's Comments V―On a Saner Forum, We Wouldn't Need this Index

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    And of course, the removal of the no-longer-available Roy Fighting HPoH at the Godsmoot
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    Default Re: The Index of the Giant's Comments V―On a Saner Forum, We Wouldn't Need this Index

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    And of course, the removal of the no-longer-available Roy Fighting HPoH at the Godsmoot
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jasdoif View Post
    And of course, the removal of the no-longer-available Roy Fighting HPoH at the Godsmoot quote is not optional (as I've been moderator-a-ly informed not to get around the thread no longer being publicly visible, so it can't possibly meet Rule A now)
    Can't you just repost the post itself in the same way the Twitter Q&A is reposted? The ban relates to Waybacking the thread as a whole, no?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Reboot View Post
    Can't you just repost the post itself in the same way the Twitter Q&A is reposted? The ban relates to Waybacking the thread as a whole, no?
    Even if the mods allowed that, which I am skeptical of, its still in violation of Guideline A, which is that the quote must still be available online.
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    Default Re: The Index of the Giant's Comments V―On a Saner Forum, We Wouldn't Need this Index

    Also, even if that quote were still available, I think it is rendered redundant by the fact that most of the rest of book six has since been released.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Reboot View Post
    Can't you just repost the post itself in the same way the Twitter Q&A is reposted? The ban relates to Waybacking the thread as a whole, no?
    Quote Originally Posted by Keltest View Post
    Even if the mods allowed that, which I am skeptical of, its still in violation of Guideline A, which is that the quote must still be available online.
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    Default Re: The Index of the Giant's Comments V―On a Saner Forum, We Wouldn't Need this Index

    Wait, waybacking is against the rules? That's the exact opposite of what I understanded from the guideline A.
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    Quote Originally Posted by martianmister View Post
    Wait, waybacking is against the rules? That's the exact opposite of what I understanded from the guideline A.
    I suspect that waybacking is permitted for threads from before the forum was purged of old threads. Unless that is this situation, then I would not know.

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    Quote Originally Posted by martianmister View Post
    Wait, waybacking is against the rules? That's the exact opposite of what I understanded from the guideline A.
    Fair cop, I didn't actually read the fine print on A, which calls out the wayback machine as a valid source. But since Roland has come and used his modly voice to say Thou Shalt Not Do That, I don't think theres much point in discussing it anyway.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Keltest View Post
    Fair cop, I didn't actually read the fine print on A, which calls out the wayback machine as a valid source. But since Roland has come and used his modly voice to say Thou Shalt Not Do That, I don't think theres much point in discussing it anyway.
    To paraphrase the PM I received from Roland St. Jude when I asked a month ago: The post in question, along with the entire thread it was part of, was intentionally moved out of the publicly visible section of the board via moderator action; using the Wayback Machine to get to it again would thus be circumventing the moderator's decision...as I imagine any method of recreating the post's content would (and looking up, it appears Roland St. Jude agrees with that assessment).

    Using the Wayback Machine isn't disallowed in itself. We do in fact have one such entry for a lost thread (the original mention of which predates the initial idea of having Index rules....so I imagine the entry itself is why the rules call out using the Wayback Machine as allowed):

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    Do you think it would be worth it to rephrase the rules to make this more clear? Something like this (with my addition in bold):

    Rule A: The quote or comment must still be accessible online.

    1) | This includes the use of The Internet Wayback Machine and other methods of accessing comments that may not still exist in the archive, with the exception of quotes removed by the moderators.
    I think this would help in case this ever comes up again.

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    I support the lurker above's edit.
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    Default Re: The Index of the Giant's Comments V―On a Saner Forum, We Wouldn't Need this Index

    I'd like to think that "when a mod says not to include something, don't include it" is sufficiently obvious that we don't need a specific rule for it. Im also not confidant that this is a common enough situation that we even need to worry about it. Its going to be very rare that The Giant comments in a thread in any way other than red text, then later have the entire thread removed.
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    I'd like to think that "when a mod says not to include something, don't include it" is sufficiently obvious that we don't need a specific rule for it. Im also not confidant that this is a common enough situation that we even need to worry about it. Its going to be very rare that The Giant comments in a thread in any way other than red text, then later have the entire thread removed.
    Agree. “Obey the mods” is rule 0 across the board. We don’t need to explicitly add it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Keltest View Post
    I'd like to think that "when a mod says not to include something, don't include it" is sufficiently obvious that we don't need a specific rule for it. Im also not confidant that this is a common enough situation that we even need to worry about it. Its going to be very rare that The Giant comments in a thread in any way other than red text, then later have the entire thread removed.
    Agree. “Obey the mods” is rule 0 across the board. We don’t need to explicitly add it.
    Perhaps more importantly, it's unlikely to be immediately obvious whether a thread is missing because of technical issue or administrative intent; and I'm not going to put the onus of finding that out on quote proposers, which putting a specific mention in the rules would imply. If anyone wants to propose using the Wayback Machine (or a similar service) to cite a quote that isn't available via the current forum, go right ahead; let me worry about determining whether I'd get an infraction for including it in the Index.



    ...so does the Wayback tangent mean everyone's okay with my thrown-together "Miko's Blade Blood-Bathing Comment in #120" entry title?

    Miko's Blade Blood-Bathing Comment in #120
    "...she's under the impression that some clearly evil force like a giant demon or something is responsible, so the speech there is mostly grandstanding. Once she sees Durkon explains they are not evil, the bloodlust backs away."
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    I'm okay with it.
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