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2016-02-27, 09:33 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: The Index of the Giant's Comments V―On a Saner Forum, We Wouldn't Need this Index
A colon may work as well, although a lack of space after it may look weird. The ― is looking good to me, though!
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2016-02-28, 02:03 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: The Index of the Giant's Comments V―On a Saner Forum, We Wouldn't Need this Index
On a saner forum, we might not worry about the fact that the thread title is truncated on replies when it doesn't break functionality?
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2016-02-28, 02:05 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: The Index of the Giant's Comments V―On a Saner Forum, We Wouldn't Need this Index
Number of Character Appearances VII - To Absent Friends
Currently playing a level 20 aasimar necromancer named Zebulun Salathiel and a level 9 goliath diviner named Lo-Kag.
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2016-02-28, 10:21 AM (ISO 8601)
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2016-02-28, 10:53 AM (ISO 8601)
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2016-02-28, 03:20 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: The Index of the Giant's Comments V―On a Saner Forum, We Wouldn't Need this Index
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2016-02-28, 06:04 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: The Index of the Giant's Comments V - On a Saner Forum, We Wouldn't Need this Ind
Regarding Quild's removal suggestions, here's my take.
Durkon Throws Diamond Dust - Durkon threw diamond dust into the air in 844.
I agree we should remove it.
Haley's Boots of Speed - Yes, she did get them dyed to match her brown/tan garb.
I agree we should remove it.
Elan's Rapiers - He has two. His original, and one from Julio Scoundrel.
I think we should keep it. It answers a question that was asked once and might be asked again (even if that's pretty unlikely). The fact that this particular rapier no longer appears today, when the story has moved on, doesn't matter.
Protection from Law is Illegal in Many Places
I think we should keep it. It isn't just a joke, it answers a real question: Why Belkar didn't request a ring of Protection from Law instead?
Orrin Draketooth's Daughter - She's not Haley.
I agree we should remove it.
You are technically correct. However, this means the only non-redundant answer in this quote is to the question "why did the Giant mention Orrin's daughters's age?" This question hasn't ever been asked on the forum (as far as I know) and I believe the odds of it ever being asked are vanishingly small.Last edited by Gwynfrid; 2016-02-28 at 07:55 PM.
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2016-02-28, 07:28 PM (ISO 8601)
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2016-02-28, 07:55 PM (ISO 8601)
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2016-02-28, 08:08 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: The Index of the Giant's Comments V―On a Saner Forum, We Wouldn't Need this Index
As I understand it, what the Giant wants is that people not write down every opinion he has about anything. But how he specifically goes about writing OOTS? I thought that was a well-established part of the index.
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2016-02-28, 09:15 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: The Index of the Giant's Comments V―On a Saner Forum, We Wouldn't Need this Index
I think using a single example to make a point about Rich's writing process is pushing it, especially because what it actually says about the process is not spelled out in the quote. To me, it says that Rich sometimes heads off questions he anticipates in advance when writing, and if that's a common consensus, I think we can agree there are quotes better disposed towards making that point.
“Evil is evil. Lesser, greater, middling, it's all the same. Proportions are negotiated, boundaries blurred. I'm not a pious hermit, I haven't done only good in my life. But if I'm to choose between one evil and another, then I prefer not to choose at all.”
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2016-02-29, 09:05 AM (ISO 8601)
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Belkar has poor knowledge of how this work. He asked for an item that boosts his saving throws (or rather: he was thinking that the protection would be absolute from the vest, while it's not) and when the gnome understood what he was looking after, she brought the cloak clasp up.
Now, the gnome thinks it more likely that the clasp is malfunctioning rather than Belkar being Evil. It probably wouldn't be very interesting for her to sell items that grants Protection from Law in the same goal of protection from charms while her clients are very more likely to be Lawful rather than Evil.
Maybe she has something else. But Belkar wants to hide to her the fact that he's Evil, so we won't know.
But I don't see why Protection from Law would be illegal, besides a joke. I don't even think that it protects you from the effects of a Zone of Truth.Posting from France
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2016-02-29, 10:19 AM (ISO 8601)
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Asking for Protection from Law wouldn't be the same as admitting he's Evil. But, in most of the world, you can expect police to be Lawful. Protection from Law would grant bonuses against police trying to subdue criminals whether with magical or non-magical means, so it makes sense to make it illegal. Belkar doesn't want to get in trouble by hinting he might be trying to evade law enforcement.
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2016-02-29, 10:35 AM (ISO 8601)
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2016-02-29, 02:34 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: The Index of the Giant's Comments V―On a Saner Forum, We Wouldn't Need this Index
Posting the full text of every quote from Rich in the Index would solve the problem of having to find the quote using the summaries given. Instead, you could just "Show ALl Spoilers" and search for any word in the quote and find it, if it is in the Index.
Of course, this would be unbelievably complicated, for many reasons, the most noticeable of which is that the thread moderator would have to reserve the first 30 or so posts instead of the first 7
I second every one of these
Trying to do something illegal (in this case "order an illegal Protection from Law item"), doesn't necessarily make one Evil. Neutral characters can often engage in illegal activities, and Good characters can as well on occasion. For instance, I wouldn't see any harm in a Good character who is invading and trying to destroy an Evil kobold city from using Protection from Law to protect themself while doing so. Even though it is technically illegal, it is in support of a Greater Good, etc etc.
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2016-02-29, 02:51 PM (ISO 8601)
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2016-02-29, 05:44 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: The Index of the Giant's Comments V―On a Saner Forum, We Wouldn't Need this Index
Aha. I'd misread that as "would be the same as admitting he's Evil." Hence my confusion.
I am not a smart man.
Nope.
If i go to the store to get a wool jacket, and the one they gave me has a hole in it, and i say, "well, how about synthetic fibers then," it wouldn't mean I am morally opposed to leather. Doesn't matter if they had more wool coats in the back.Last edited by Peelee; 2016-02-29 at 05:50 PM.
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2016-02-29, 06:09 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: The Index of the Giant's Comments V―On a Saner Forum, We Wouldn't Need this Index
On the other hand....If you go to the store to get a wool jacket, and you start itching when you try it on, and the salesperson says that shouldn't happen unless you're allergic to wool and offers to get another wool jacket in case that one's contaminated, and you instead say "nah, how about synthetic fibers then,"....You being allergic to wool wouldn't be much of a stretch to assume.
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2016-02-29, 06:57 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: The Index of the Giant's Comments V―On a Saner Forum, We Wouldn't Need this Index
I would think that it would be a bad idea to call for an ambulance even if they did flat out admit it, given that they don't appear to actually be having any sort of attack or anything. If they continue shopping, skipping the wool clothing as you guide them would not be unreasonable.
“Evil is evil. Lesser, greater, middling, it's all the same. Proportions are negotiated, boundaries blurred. I'm not a pious hermit, I haven't done only good in my life. But if I'm to choose between one evil and another, then I prefer not to choose at all.”
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2016-02-29, 07:41 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: The Index of the Giant's Comments V―On a Saner Forum, We Wouldn't Need this Index
Apparently Hypothetipeelee was unaware of the wool allergy (maybe it was a late-developing allergy?), just as Belkar didn't know he'd be adversely affected by a protection from evil effect. Or maybe it was a case of the salesperson neglecting to mention the jacket was wool, but if we posit a lawsuit scenario we're not going to get an answer until the next version of the Index thread, at the earliest.
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2016-02-29, 08:18 PM (ISO 8601)
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Cuthalion's art is the prettiest art of all the art. Like my avatar.
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Re: The Index of the Giant's Comments V―On a Saner Forum, We Wouldn't Need this Index
Except that he didn't asked for a Protection from Evil item, he asked for a item that stops mental control. He was offered one that hurt him. This should only happen if he was Evil or if the item was malfunctioning. The gnome retrieved the item and if she tries it on herself while getting a replacement, be it another Protection from Evil, or a Protection from Law one, she would have reason to suspect Belkar was evil (chaotic evil if he asked for protection from law). Belkar was trying to avoid suspicion, and that included getting rid of the evidence. For half price.
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2016-03-01, 03:56 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: The Index of the Giant's Comments V―On a Saner Forum, We Wouldn't Need this Index
Belkar has probably no idea that a Protection from Law item would work, so there is little chance that he can think of it.
He didn't even knew that his vest wouldn't be an absolute protection.
Otherwise, Belkar would probably have asked for a Protection from Law item even knowing that it was illegal in many place (he could act surprised that it's illegal in Tinkertown).
Anyway, my point entirely was that there is no point for Protection from Law to be illegal and that I think the Giant made a joke.
Cops are Lawful? Mostly, surely, it's not an absolute (reminds me that Gotham started again yesterday).
If the point is that an item providing +2 deflection bonus to AC and +2 resistance bonus of save against most or all cops, lot of stuff you can get the same effects from, could be illegal.
Armors are illegal in Cliffport many place because cops are warriors! Also weapons. And spells, they work too. You're not allowed to get level eithers, it's dangerous!
Nope, I'm not buying it to be a serious thing about OOTS-lore.
Pyrous: I believe an Evil Neutral creature wouldn't be affected by Protection from Law either.Last edited by Quild; 2016-03-01 at 11:42 AM. Reason: Baaah
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Re: The Index of the Giant's Comments V―On a Saner Forum, We Wouldn't Need this Index
I am not going to go to a great deal of effort to read the made-hard-to-read-for-no-reason post before this one. I am, however, going to mention a point of D&D rules that some people are likely unaware of here:
"Protection from X" renders someone immune to all mind control, regardless of the alignment of the controller. The other effects (AC bonus, save bonuses, untouchability by summoned creatures) care about alignment, but for what Belkar wanted the clasp for, it might as well have been Protection from Good.Orth Plays: Currently Baldur's Gate II
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2016-03-01, 10:56 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: The Index of the Giant's Comments V―On a Saner Forum, We Wouldn't Need this Index
We can second-guess the Giant, but it's always going to be inconclusive. To the question, why did Belkar not ask for a Protection from Law item, there are (at least) two possible answers: #1 because Belkar didn't know any better, or #2 because he didn't want to ask for something illegal. The original poster suggested the answer is #1. Then Rich posted to say the answer is #2. Joke or no joke, this is a valid answer. We have no reason to dismiss it.
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2016-03-01, 11:55 AM (ISO 8601)
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Cuthalion's art is the prettiest art of all the art. Like my avatar.
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Re: The Index of the Giant's Comments V―On a Saner Forum, We Wouldn't Need this Index
I was going to make one last argument for exclusion, but it's a good joke and I won't be bothered if we keep it in the index.