Dragonball in the Playground OOC III

[Hawkflight]

So wait, should Starlight and Callins talk down Vati now or not?

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Okay, hold up! Where is everyone right now? Starlight is in the main meeting room with Kor.

[cavalieredraghi]

I don't know or care. I am not even sure Starlight is there.

[Emperor Ing]

Artic is on his way to the Palace and will arrive in my next post. Rime is in the Palace (because the Embassy and Palace are close by)

[Ishimi]

Oh, also here is a picture I drew of Ryuichi

[Hawkflight]

Oh, also here is a picture I drew of Ryuichi

Oh, wow! You should draw the rest of the RA too!

Also, re: pirates - one song always comes to mind when I think of pirates. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3pY0gZRb8kE

[Lord Raziere]

He pretty much told Vati what he wanted to hear, and yet still nothing fine!

I am not posting for a while since nothing is clear or going right.

you didn't outright state it. you just implied it, and anyone can do that. you literally just had to say "Vati, I know you had a crush on Kor years ago" and "whoever said the cure was defective lied." and that would've solved it. the entire arc was supposed to be contrived so that Callins to give Callins the opportunity to say those at the end, not in the middle.

whatever, after this, definitely not going to do any more arcs, I put too much work into it and the pay off didn't work out as I expected. its just a mess.

as for talking down....didn't want that to happen until all other foes were defeated. y'know, as the final thing of the arc, or as the second final thing before one of the alternate bosses.

[Hawkflight]

you didn't outright state it. you just implied it, and anyone can do that. you literally just had to say "Vati, I know you had a crush on Kor years ago" and "whoever said the cure was defective lied." and that would've solved it. the entire arc was supposed to be contrived so that Callins to give Callins the opportunity to say those at the end, not in the middle.

whatever, after this, definitely not going to do any more arcs, I put too much work into it and the pay off didn't work out as I expected. its just a mess.

as for talking down....didn't want that to happen until all other foes were defeated. y'know, as the final thing of the arc, or as the second final thing before one of the alternate bosses.

Right, we'll hold off then. Sorry it didn't work out like you wanted. I did try to bring it back on track.

[Rater202]

whatever, after this, definitely not going to do any more arcs, I put too much work into it and the pay off didn't work out as I expected. its just a mess.

[cavalieredraghi]

Told you it would have been better that I left.

[Emperor Ing]

Wouldn't we be able to get the plot back on track if Callins realizes (even erroneously) that he can't get through to Vati and 'ports out?

[Hawkflight]

Told you it would have been better that I left.

Not entirely your fault. You were about to back off and let Vati be when Vati decided to just accelerate things.

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Wouldn't we be able to get the plot back on track if Callins realizes (even erroneously) that he can't get through to Vati and 'ports out?

Well, the problem then would be that Vati has already accelerated things to phase 2. It could be done, with skill (or wiping the last page or so of content), but it would be difficult.

[Lord Raziere]

or at least let the entire plan of my next be:

"1. Solitus unites the forces of Hell under himself, and conquers Heaven.
2. ???
3. Arc Ends"

rather than overplanning like this. and no matter how much I am annoyed of you, Cavaliered, this just means we have different ways of thinking about things and not that there is anything wrong with you. Its just that I'm apparently a poor arc planner for your kind of player, or that I got too invested in my plans.

[Hawkflight]

or at least let the entire plan of my next be:

"1. Solitus unites the forces of Hell under himself, and conquers Heaven.
2. ???
3. Arc Ends"

rather than overplanning like this. and no matter how much I am annoyed of you, Cavaliered, this just means we have different ways of thinking about things and not that there is anything wrong with you. Its just that I'm apparently a poor arc planner for your kind of player, or that I got too invested in my plans.

You know, I'm told I'm pretty good at keeping things like this on track. I could help you next time if you want.

Would you like me to tell you how this could have been prevented?

[Lord Raziere]

You know, I'm told I'm pretty good at keeping things like this on track. I could help you next time if you want.

Would you like me to tell you how this could have been prevented?

Yes please. this is already in shambles, so really if you have any questions, I don't care I can answer anything, I'm pretty sure we won't even be seeing Vati's final form unless we work really hard for it, cause it requires a very certain set of conditions to even work.

[Rater202]

I'm pretty sure we won't even be seeing Vati's final form unless we work really hard for it, cause it requires a very certain set of conditions to even work.

You can always recycle it and use it in later arcs, like I did with Sprock-Magenta.

[igordragonian]

Well you always can have Vati be on drugs or something that make unaproachable.


And Ishi- well I'm impressed!

[Hawkflight]

Yes please. this is already in shambles, so really if you have any questions, I don't care I can answer anything, I'm pretty sure we won't even be seeing Vati's final form unless we work really hard for it, cause it requires a very certain set of conditions to even work.

Well, what are those conditions?

And there are really two points at which this could have been avoided. The first was when Callins went after Vati. Since he had a bunch of clones, you could have just straight-up said, "Sorry Cav, that one's a clone." Because there was really no way he could have known. But we could just say that he picked one at random, or the first one he sensed.

The second ... well, I'm not sure if it could have been prevented here, as you had no idea what Cav and I were planning. If you had just waited one more post, Cav would have pulled out at my request (for reasons involving character development). But you couldn't really have seen that coming, and I didn't think to mention it, so ... I guess it's really just the first point.

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Okay, wait wait wait, are we talking him down now or not? Cause if not, I'm cool with waiting until after the fight. But if so, then I'd like to know so I can have Starlight do her speech first.

[Lord Raziere]

You can always recycle it and use it in later arcs, like I did with Sprock-Magenta.

yeah but by then, he will be doing it heroically and it actually kind of requires the galaxy-wide media attention.

Spoiler: Vati's Final Form

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Basically imagine the Super Saiyan God Form + spirit bomb's energy gathering, but without pure hearts, so instead replaced by fame, popularity and the raw emotions of people beholding you. Since this is less pure, it requires a lot more people to see and have lots of emotion, that was why he was doing all this- the Burnout attack would stir up a lot of emotion and passion and thus generate enough for the ritual Holmarius made to basically make this easier- a ritual that basically has ritual circles in all major cities of Plant, and basically would give him a spirit/divinity form when achieved, but wouldn't be stable until one million PL. he would start at 777,777 PL at be constantly going up, and so on.

problem is, the trigger for the form to actually start the transformation is to basically nearly DIE. because its basically rebuilding his entire body into a divine one. It would've also turned the moon into a disco ball in the process and basically make him become "Disco Mortis" and such, while glowing in aura of a rainbow. whilst "Death By Glamour" plays.

but alas. won't happen now. should've known better, and yes, Hawkflight, I reeeeaaaallly should've done the "Fake Vati" thing right there, since that was what they were INTENDED to do! AAAAArrrrgh, I screwed up my own arc.

[igordragonian]

Raz-sama, do I assume Vodkana have dfeated the 'ninja tuffles"?
I think you have missed my reply.
I so far really enjoying this.

[Hawkflight]

Agh, that does sound pretty awesome. >_<

Maybe the idea can still be recycled somehow? Or salvaged? Or ... I dunno....

And to repeat my question, which I believe may have nonja'd you ...

Okay, wait wait wait, are we talking him down now or not? Cause if not, I'm cool with waiting until after the fight. But if so, then I'd like to know so I can have Starlight do her speech first.

[cavalieredraghi]

I would have stopped that as a note, since you forced the golden dragon mask that I have been hiding.

[Lord Raziere]

Agh, that does sound pretty awesome. >_<

Maybe the idea can still be recycled somehow? Or salvaged? Or ... I dunno....

And to repeat my question, which I believe may have nonja'd you ...

again, its pretty clear that this has been ruined beyond my plans. best to just take it whatever direction seems reasonable by now, with the two alternate bosses showing up....waaaaaait. I have an idea.

what if Vait redeems himself, by successfully defeating one of the alternate bosses who can't be beaten, by going into his final form? then giving up that power, to resurrect all the people that died in the attack, thus going back to a normal Tuffle?

@ igorraco: yeah, I probably missed it in the excitement, sorry

[Emperor Ing]

I don't mean to come across as condescending, but I do hope this can be a learning experience. No plan survives contact with the enemy PCs and the best we can do is keep our options open for when the unexpected happens.

[Hawkflight]

again, its pretty clear that this has been ruined beyond my plans. best to just take it whatever direction seems reasonable by now, with the two alternate bosses showing up....waaaaaait. I have an idea.

what if Vait redeems himself, by successfully defeating one of the alternate bosses who can't be beaten, by going into his final form? then giving up that power, to resurrect all the people that died in the attack, thus going back to a normal Tuffle?

@ igorraco: yeah, I probably missed it in the excitement, sorry

That sounds like a good idea! I'll post my speech now then.

Also, random question - to we ever plan to do a really long timeskip in this RP?

[Lord Raziere]

I don't mean to come across as condescending, but I do hope this can be a learning experience. No plan survives contact with the enemy PCs and the best we can do is keep our options open for when the unexpected happens.

trust me, when I was planning this arc out, I had that fully in mind and had contingency plans for this arc, fully expecting that Oxyribo would somehow try to derail everything, so I designed in the False Vati Actors in case he thought Vati was evil and want to kill him right off the bat. I fully expected that people knowing Vati was redeemable might not want to kill him to activate the ritual, so I designed in alternate bosses.

for some reason I didn't expect people would be defensive rather seeking them out during battle, I didn't expect proactive effort from Callins, and I didn't expect people would want to spare all the other Burnouts. yep, even with my planning, it still didn't work. so. yeah. guess I have to learn that even more.

[Hawkflight]

Posted. I'll let Vati respond before continuing.

[igordragonian]

Raz-Sama dont be hard on yourself!
It's still can work!
Make the burnouts so crazy and berserk, that as long they breath they fight.
Time is also an issue- every moment they are not dfeated more innocents dies.
Make Vati do something unforgivable- blow up a hospital- just to prove his point.
Actually this arc remind me a lot of few one piece's best arcs.

You need to push our characters to the wall.
There are a lot of burnouts, and so much of us...

[Lord Raziere]

um, if he does something unforgivable, thats kind of like.....against his whole "supposed to be redeemed" thing, and the more I try to make him actually antagonistic in a way so that he can be redeemed from something bad, the more cavalier doesn't seem to like that for some reason. heck, he stated that he doesn't like the Androids being hypnotized for reasons I can't figure out, even though I specified how it works and how Vati sees it, as well as cav making quite heavy-handed judgements about the Androids themselves for their actions. so its like, I can't make him too evil or cav won't cooperate and forgive Vati if he does something that goes too far.

and really, that was supposed to be the intention of the arc, igor. it was supposed to be a big rush of good people doing horrible things because of one stupid lie said by one selfish person and how tragic that it had to turn out like this,and many Burnouts dying because of it. problem is- Cav doesn't seem to want that. and if cav won't cooperate that, it can't happen.

[cavalieredraghi]

Feel free to do what you want.

[igordragonian]

Then why won't you make him have hallucnations. (I written it wrong. Right?) Get inspired of batman's villiains.

Turn Callins into Arcosian in his eyes.
All his enemies have "exposed" themselves as arcosians!
The pony is an arcosian mutant!
But they cant fool Vati!
Oh no! Those sneaky bastards will pay !!