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    Quote Originally Posted by cobaltstarfire View Post
    What would motivate a horse to bite a car? Car looked at it the wrong way?
    I'm not sure, but nearly every car I've ever seen that's been parked around horses has horse-bites. My guess, which is admittedly not a very well-informed one, is that car paint tends to be shiny which can make a horse interested enough to investigate it.

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    Do you know what causes the clear coat and stuff to wear off? My car has had a problem where the sealant or whatever has just like...peeled off and now the paint underneath is starting to wear away leaving ugly white streaks all over the top of the car. (the hood is starting to do it too).
    My dad's in town so I actually got to ask him this-- he says that clear coat can flake off if it was damaged by UV rays or if it didn't bond correctly to the paint for whatever reason.

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    Ahhh, the sun once again is my nemesis! *shakes a fist at it*

    I'm going to bet its the sun and not a bad job anyway, it gets really intense in the summer here, and the car has spent very little time protected from it.

    I think it'd be interesting if you shared your cars rehabilitation, I don't understand most car talk, but lack of understanding has never stopped me from reading about things.

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    Congratulations! Beatrix is one classy lady.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cobaltstarfire View Post
    Ahhh, the sun once again is my nemesis! *shakes a fist at it*

    I'm going to bet its the sun and not a bad job anyway, it gets really intense in the summer here, and the car has spent very little time protected from it.
    I think that seems most likely too-- since the flaking is occurring mostly on the roof and on the hood, which would be the parts most exposed to the sun. It's probably not that expensive to fix if you're worried about it. If you got a cover for when the car's in the driveway you could also prevent further damage.

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    I think it'd be interesting if you shared your cars rehabilitation, I don't understand most car talk, but lack of understanding has never stopped me from reading about things.
    Sure. In truth I don't understand a lot of car talk either, but thankfully a lot of this stuff isn't too difficult to look up and like I mentioned, I can usually ask my dad about it when he's in town.

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    I just had an old car hauled off. I got donated to a local charity. the car was broken down and not worth fixing since it's 16 years old.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheThan View Post
    I just had an old car hauled off. I got donated to a local charity. the car was broken down and not worth fixing since it's 16 years old.
    Hopefully it's useful to someone else now. Even if the charity wasn't able to get it working again, they probably at least got some good parts.

    For my own part, work on the Camaro is going kind of slow. I'm almost finished sanding down the patches in the spoiler end cap, then if weather permits I can prime it and reinstall it. Mechanically, Beatrix has developed an issue of dieseling after the engine gets hot. My dad tells me that it's probably either an issue with the fuel mixture or with the ignition timing. (Anyone more car-savvy than me want to weigh in on this one?)

    I guess if it's a problem with the fuel, I can probably fix it by adding some octane-booster. Hopefully passing emissions isn't going to be a nightmare...

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    I thought "dieseling" only happens when you switch the engine off? Or do you mean "knocking", where ignition is occurring at the wrong time when the engine is actually running?

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    I thought "dieseling" only happens when you switch the engine off? Or do you mean "knocking", where ignition is occurring at the wrong time when the engine is actually running?
    That's right. In my case the engine will shut off normally if it's only run for a few minutes. If the engine is run for long enough to get hot, it'll diesel for several seconds before actually turning off.

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    Well, as well as what your Dad said that could be caused by the engine idling too fast, or carbon build-up in the cylinders.

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    Carbon buildup? Is that the sort of thing that can be fixed with Marvel Mystery Oil or would I have to tear down the engine and hone the cylinders?

    It doesn't sound like the engine is idling too fast, and the tachometer, (which by some miracle actually still works!) isn't reporting anything alarming.
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    You'd pretty much have to strip it down to determine if carbon build-up was a problem. As far as checking the mixture is concerned, years and years ago you could get a thing called a ColourTune--this was basically a spark plug with a transparent barrel through which you could see the colour of the explosion in the cylinder. No idea if they still do those or if that's what someone mechanically minded would recommend, it's been a decade or more since I did any work on my own engine--mainly because modern engines don't really make stuff like that easy; it's all fuel injection this and computer controlled that, they might as well stamp the bonnet with NO USER SERVICEABLE PARTS INSIDE and be done with it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cobaltstarfire View Post
    Do you know what causes the clear coat and stuff to wear off? My car has had a problem where the sealant or whatever has just like...peeled off and now the paint underneath is starting to wear away leaving ugly white streaks all over the top of the car. (the hood is starting to do it too).
    Are those white streaks the paint wearing away, per se, or is it chalking? If the paint's actually peeling and exposing the primer, then it pretty much needs to be stripped and repainted, so far as I know.

    However, if it's chalking due to weathering (a powdery residue on the paint surface, rather than missing paint), you may be able to clean it off and refinish it as at least a stopgap solution.

    I'm a little rusty on my car painting (though I'm still heavily involved with automotive stuff) but if that's just chalking, I believe it may be comparatively easy to fix.
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    I remember a weird problem my parents have. Rats keep nesting inside their cars' engines and basically making a mess (peeing there and chewing cables).

    It's weird because they regularly use their cars every day.

    Any idea how to solve this problem?
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Fury View Post
    Also, I think I might occasionally post about Beatrix's gradual recovery. That is, if anyone's interested in reading about it-- I know that this is largely a forum about geek-culture in general, and tabletop RPGs in particular so stuff about old muscle cars might not fit in all that well.
    Integrate RPG elements into the car as the repairs go on... she levels up, gains feats, etc. Got the body cleaned up/painted/fixed? Charisma must have increased! She clearly already has the Diehard feat.
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    I remember a weird problem my parents have. Rats keep nesting inside their cars' engines and basically making a mess (peeing there and chewing cables).

    It's weird because they regularly use their cars every day.

    Any idea how to solve this problem?
    My parents kept getting mice living in their car's heating system; one of them even died in there and stank the car up hideously, necessitating its removal at a garage (a good part of the dash had to be disassembled to reach the corpse). I remember my dad saying he turned on the heater on an autumn morning and fur flew out of the vent, at the start of this episode.

    Inside the engine is a hard one to figure, though. It should get fatally hot in there every time the vehicle runs, so either they should be driven out or should be cooked and die.

    I would recommend putting mothballs somewhere in there, but I'd worry about them catching fire (see also the fatally hot part) and starting an engine fire. About the best thing I can think of is to find some kind of strong-smelling engine cleaner and spray it in there every day. Try to drive them out with the stink. (Though again, I can't understand how they can survive the engine running, unless they've got tiny suits of futuristic powered armor.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fri View Post
    I remember a weird problem my parents have. Rats keep nesting inside their cars' engines and basically making a mess (peeing there and chewing cables).

    It's weird because they regularly use their cars every day.

    Any idea how to solve this problem?
    That is weird... Are they only taking short trips (like in the range of a few minutes), where the engine doesn't get too hot? If so, I would suggest taking a long drive and seeing if that kills them.

    Otherwise, maybe they jump out when the car gets turned on, but when it parks again at the end of the night they climb back in?

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    Quote Originally Posted by factotum View Post
    You'd pretty much have to strip it down to determine if carbon build-up was a problem. As far as checking the mixture is concerned, years and years ago you could get a thing called a ColourTune--this was basically a spark plug with a transparent barrel through which you could see the colour of the explosion in the cylinder.
    That's definitely cool, though I'd have no idea how to interpret that information. Doing a quick Google search, it looks like the instructions it comes with explain how to do interpret the color. (Blue good, orange bad I think?)

    Quote Originally Posted by factotum View Post
    No idea if they still do those or if that's what someone mechanically minded would recommend, it's been a decade or more since I did any work on my own engine--mainly because modern engines don't really make stuff like that easy; it's all fuel injection this and computer controlled that, they might as well stamp the bonnet with NO USER SERVICEABLE PARTS INSIDE and be done with it.
    Oh, absolutely. I don't really know a lot about engines, but the older, low-tech ones make so much more sense to me. In the case of the 250 that Beatrix has, I can at least identify parts and what they do-- looking under the hood of my sister's BMW I can't really tell much of anything. To me, it looks like a monolithic, black rectangle. Maybe it's powered by dark magic. I will admit that it's a lot cleaner-looking than the Camaro's engine bay though.

    Quote Originally Posted by Fri View Post
    I remember a weird problem my parents have. Rats keep nesting inside their cars' engines and basically making a mess (peeing there and chewing cables).

    It's weird because they regularly use their cars every day.

    Any idea how to solve this problem?
    Do your parents keep snacks in the glovebox or anything like that? Rodents usually like to hang out around places that have easy access to food. Beatrix had a problem with mouse-nests too, though that was because she was parked in a granary.

    Quote Originally Posted by Brion View Post
    Integrate RPG elements into the car as the repairs go on... she levels up, gains feats, etc. Got the body cleaned up/painted/fixed? Charisma must have increased! She clearly already has the Diehard feat.
    Engine swap-- +2 Strength, +2 Constitution, right? Passed emissions, new tags and registration-- Alignment changes to Lawful?

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    With a 250 Chevy straight-6, Beatrix should have about 150 HP at the moment.

    If you have one or two dead cylinders, she'll be running at less than full HP...

    Engine mods of course will enable her to have more HP :)
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    Quote Originally Posted by lio45 View Post
    With a 250 Chevy straight-6, Beatrix should have about 150 HP at the moment.

    If you have one or two dead cylinders, she'll be running at less than full HP...

    Engine mods of course will enable her to have more HP :)
    Funny enough, I think that 150 hp was about what the original 350 was rated at. 1970s emissions controls did ugly things to power and fuel efficiency. Though, like I mentioned, the six doesn't feel sluggish or anything and for as old as it is it's pretty solid, (the dieseling problem notwithstanding.) I could believe that it has somewhere in the neighborhood of 125-150 hp. The base model 250 installed in a Camaro at the factory probably wasn't rated that high, though the 250 that's in it now was installed without all the emissions controls. It was originally registered in a rural area where it didn't need to pass emissions to get registered, when it was brought over to the Portland area it needed to have a catalytic converter installed-- which was a 1990s aftermarket part, much more efficient than what was available in 1976.

    All that being said, a part of me wants to take it back to the 350 small block like what it had originally. It's not really a practical modification, I know. Maybe I just really like that V8 sound.

    I managed to get the spoiler back together today. Parts of the car are a dowdy primer grey now, but I guess everything's back where it's supposed to be.

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    Inside the engine is a hard one to figure, though. It should get fatally hot in there every time the vehicle runs, so either they should be driven out or should be cooked and die.
    I'm not so sure. The only part of the engine that gets *really* hot is the exhaust manifold (I've touched one while the engine is running, and believe me, it's not a mistake you make more than once)--the rest of the really hot stuff is inside the water jacket of the cooling system, so the *outside* of the engine probably won't get above hot bath territory. Plus, there's usually plenty of space in the engine compartment which is not directly touching the engine and will only get pleasantly warm.

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    Quote Originally Posted by factotum View Post
    I'm not so sure. The only part of the engine that gets *really* hot is the exhaust manifold (I've touched one while the engine is running, and believe me, it's not a mistake you make more than once)--the rest of the really hot stuff is inside the water jacket of the cooling system, so the *outside* of the engine probably won't get above hot bath territory. Plus, there's usually plenty of space in the engine compartment which is not directly touching the engine and will only get pleasantly warm.
    Yes, and I think what happens is that the rats/mice get out to do their rat business at day when my parents use the cars, and at night after they got parked the rats got inside to make a mess. Or the opposite. Not sure about rats/parents schedule.
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    Quote Originally Posted by factotum View Post
    I'm not so sure. The only part of the engine that gets *really* hot is the exhaust manifold (I've touched one while the engine is running, and believe me, it's not a mistake you make more than once)--the rest of the really hot stuff is inside the water jacket of the cooling system, so the *outside* of the engine probably won't get above hot bath territory. Plus, there's usually plenty of space in the engine compartment which is not directly touching the engine and will only get pleasantly warm.
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    Yes, and I think what happens is that the rats/mice get out to do their rat business at day when my parents use the cars, and at night after they got parked the rats got inside to make a mess. Or the opposite. Not sure about rats/parents schedule.
    I believe what you're looking for is this Q & A with a wildlife biologist on the Car Talk website. I checked there as I had remembered an episode where a caller was asking how a chicken could have followed them unseen after a drive from the farm to a parking lot twenty miles away. The answer was inside the engine compartment.

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    How hot the engine compartment on a car can get depends on what kind of engine is in there. Some engines will generate more heat than others, though what factotum has said is largely correct-- on a fairly average family car with a properly working cooling system, it's not going to get really all that hot except close to the exhaust manifold or maybe the radiator. It's still pretty baffling why rats decided that a car that's driven, (I guess,) fairly regularly was best place to nest in.

    I went ahead and snapped a photo of Beatrix's recent repairs. Not a great picture I'll admit, though it's nice to have everything back where it belongs finally.


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    Fri, what if your parents put out bait/traps under the car after they've driven it?

    A squirrel used some part inside the guys car to store nuts on, that was found during a check up or oil change a few years ago. Just a bunch of acorns carefully stacked somewhere inside of it, we and the guy who found it aren't really sure how driving didn't dislodge them.




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    Are those white streaks the paint wearing away, per se, or is it chalking? If the paint's actually peeling and exposing the primer, then it pretty much needs to be stripped and repainted, so far as I know.

    However, if it's chalking due to weathering (a powdery residue on the paint surface, rather than missing paint), you may be able to clean it off and refinish it as at least a stopgap solution.

    I'm a little rusty on my car painting (though I'm still heavily involved with automotive stuff) but if that's just chalking, I believe it may be comparatively easy to fix.
    I don't think it's "chalking" it has a texture and looks like the clear coat is stripping away. If you rub it with a cloth- blue (the color of the car) comes up on the cloth.
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    If the white streaks appear where the paint has rubbed away, I think that might be exposed primer that you're seeing, (usually automotive primer is a dull grey, but it can look white next to a darker color.)

    Also, how's your beau doing with learning how to drive a manual?

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    I'm not sure if that's the primer showing either, cause when it's wet the white area's turn blue (well the newer area on the nose continues to stay kind of greyish white, but the top it just becomes two shades of blue). Maybe it's a mix of several of those paint related problems? I've considered taking it to the car wash to see what that does, but the guy is worried that might do more damage. I've been putting off taking it to be looked at cause I don't want to see the kind of bill it'll warrant.


    He is staunchly avoiding giving driving manual another try, though I've been continuously talking to him about it, telling him about how the car runs and other things he can think about when he finally lets me drag him out to a parking lot to practice. I think he really dislikes that it's not something he takes to easily. I may need to start telling him again why I want him to be able to at least somewhat drive it (in case something happens to me, or he's the only one around and needs to move or drive it, ect).



    Have there been anymore fixes to Beatrix?

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    Quote Originally Posted by cobaltstarfire View Post
    He is staunchly avoiding giving driving manual another try, though I've been continuously talking to him about it, telling him about how the car runs and other things he can think about when he finally lets me drag him out to a parking lot to practice. I think he really dislikes that it's not something he takes to easily. I may need to start telling him again why I want him to be able to at least somewhat drive it (in case something happens to me, or he's the only one around and needs to move or drive it, ect).
    In fairness, it's not really an easy skill to pick up. I mean, I had a lot of trouble learning it too. Though in the interest of full honesty, I've only ever driven a manual transmission on dirt roads in something that had seen better days. Driving one in traffic is a skill I never acquired.

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    Have there been anymore fixes to Beatrix?
    I was able to get the issue with the windows fixed-- by having window cranks installed. I know that's probably a disappointing fix for a lot of people but I think I actually prefer it. I also replaced the roof and trunk seals, which used to leak pretty badly.

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    Not having leaky parts is a very good thing in my book. I didn't know that they still produced manual window roller uppers, at least with those you don't have to worry about some weird electrical stuff.


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    In fairness, it's not really an easy skill to pick up. I mean, I had a lot of trouble learning it too. Though in the interest of full honesty, I've only ever driven a manual transmission on dirt roads in something that had seen better days. Driving one in traffic is a skill I never acquired.

    Yeah, I dunno what he expected when I initially took him out to try but he didn't meet whatever internal expectations he had, and now he is avoiding the "problem". I don't want to "nag" him too much on this cause we've got several things going on that generate a lot of anxiety with him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cobaltstarfire View Post
    Yeah, I dunno what he expected when I initially took him out to try but he didn't meet whatever internal expectations he had, and now he is avoiding the "problem". I don't want to "nag" him too much on this cause we've got several things going on that generate a lot of anxiety with him.
    I learned to drive on a stickshift 1987 Hyundai Excel hatchback. Though it was a horrible experience, it had one big advantage -- driving an automatic is incredibly easy by comparison. Also, after that training, I believe that the driver is prepared to drive just about anything. Cars. Trucks. APCs. Tanks. Giant mining machines. "If it moves, you can drive it."
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    I have no idea if it was a crate engine or not-- just that the engine before the 250 was so big that the hood wouldn't close. It might have been a big block out of a truck, or it may have just been a small block with some absurd high-rise intake on it.

    I might one day consider changing the 250 to a small block like what she originally came with, but that's a pretty low priority because, 1.) I don't know how to do an engine swap, and 2.) right now the six cylinder works just fine. Also, there's a lot of other stuff that needs to be taken care of first.


    Also, since the Jaguar (not "Jag-whar," thank you very much!) 4.2 has apparently become something of a hot topic-- here's what one looks like:


    I'm pretty sure that's an E-Type we see it installed in too. From what I can tell, it apparently uses three carburetors and seems to have two rocker covers for one bank of cylinders. Maybe it's 24 valves? Twin cam? I'm not sure. As you can probably tell, I know next to nothing about Jaguars but I can tell right away that this is a much more modern, performance oriented engine than a Chevrolet six cylinder.

    Holy**** man this is awesome

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