OOTS #1034 - The Discussion Thread

[Themrys]

I would just like to point out the vague resemblance between the yrthak rider and the Princess Mononoke in the Studio Ghibli film.

Good point. Especially good point since people on this thread seem insistent to assume the rider is male - the garment they are wearing is covering the hips, so we have no way to know for sure, not even with the very easy determinable sexual dimorphism of oots stick figures.

[PoeticDwarf]

So I checked, and there is a 2% chance of getting a Pegasus as a mount. My question is why would Lien expect him to have something that rare that you can only roll for once?

She isn't metagaming?

[Keltest]

Good point. Especially good point since people on this thread seem insistent to assume the rider is male - the garment they are wearing is covering the hips, so we have no way to know for sure, not even with the very easy determinable sexual dimorphism of oots stick figures.

Its very difficult to see if you aren't looking for it, but you can actually see part of a female figure underneath the cloak in the latest panel.

[GM_3826]

Its very difficult to see if you aren't looking for it, but you can actually see part of a female figure underneath the cloak in the latest panel.

Yep, the rider has boobs. It's confirmed.

[Rootbeer Guy]

Is it possible the direction that they could be heading is down?

[TurboGhast]

Is it possible the direction that they could be heading is down?

How would they be able to do that? What paladin mounts let you go underground?

[Rootbeer Guy]

How would they be able to do that? What paladin mounts let you go underground?

Who said anything about ground? I know they're standing on ice but I don't know what's under that ice.

[Jay R]

Also, that ends the speculation on O-Chul's mount.

Not a chance. Maybe when he calls for it, the mount will be the MitD.

What a strange situation. The goblinoid? rider has no weapons ...

As established earlier with Lien's crossbow (among many examples), weapons are often not drawn until they are drawn.

3 or 4 would certainly qualify as less than 5.

Yes, but "at least 3 or 4" does not automatically mean less than 5, which was his point.

[martianmister]

Yep, the rider has boobs. It's confirmed.

Or he's a transgender man.

[GM_3826]

Or he's a transgender man.

True. In the space of this comic, though, that would be highly confusing. (Unless that's what Varsuuvius is. Than it'd make sense.)

[8BitNinja]

The point, I gather, was largely to improve damage rather than to-hit.

Unfortunately, bull's strength is completely useless to that end, because crossbows don't apply the user's Strength modifier to damage.

If there is anything I know about my own class, is that paladin's get their charisma modifier added on to every stat, so why not cast Eagle's Splendor?

[Kish]

If there is anything I know about my own class, is that paladin's get their charisma modifier added on to every stat, so why not cast Eagle's Splendor?

...there is nothing 8BitNinja knows about his own class. He said it himself, folks!

[KorvinStarmast]

The water breathing/celestial shark/we're immune to ordinary cold combo is pretty funny. If there is non-frozen water underneath them, it might work. Otherwise, they are going to get shredded, and that would be a shame.

Not to mention that sound energy propogates faster and stronger in the denser medium: water. If they go under water and yrthak sticks head into water and sonic lances, might the damage be amplified? (Sure am glad Rich never reads the forum ... )

[Keltest]

Not to mention that sound energy propogates faster and stronger in the denser medium: water. If they go under water and yrthak sticks head into water and sonic lances, might the damage be amplified? (Sure am glad Rich never reads the forum ... )

Were I to DM it, I would increase the save DC and/or add bonuses to hit (not sure how the thing's attack actually works, mechanics wise) if it were to attack something in the water.

[Jay R]

Not to mention that sound energy propogates faster and stronger in the denser medium: water. If they go under water and yrthak sticks head into water and sonic lances, might the damage be amplified? (Sure am glad Rich never reads the forum ... )

Rich is a story-teller, not a DM. It will do exactly as much damage as is necessary for the story.

[Darth Paul]

I was a math minor and I can verify this with the following proof:

3 < 4 < 5

Actual math!!

I'm gonna require a more in-depth proof.

If 3=3, and 1=1, and 4=4, and 3+1=4, then 3=/=4 and 3 < 4. If 4=4, and 1=1, and 5=5, and 4+1=5, then 4=/=5 and 4 < 5.

If 3 < 4 and 4 < 5, then 3 < 4 < 5.

I hope this meets the standards of a rigorous proof, but college was 30 years ago and Trig 102 is a little blurry...

[Jay R]

If 3=3, and 1=1, and 4=4, and 3+1=4, then 3=/=4 and 3 < 4. If 4=4, and 1=1, and 5=5, and 4+1=5, then 4=/=5 and 4 < 5.

If 3 < 4 and 4 < 5, then 3 < 4 < 5.

I hope this meets the standards of a rigorous proof, but college was 30 years ago and Trig 102 is a little blurry...

But the original quantity was not 3. Nor was it 4. It was "at least 3 or 4".

A quantity that is at least 3 or 4 is not necessarily less than 5.

Proof by example. 6 is at least 3 or 4. 6 is not less than 5.

[Darth Paul]

3 or 4 would certainly qualify as less than 5.

But this ^ was the statement I was verifying, Jay. Not the "at least 3 or 4" statement. 1,000,000 also counts as at least 3 or 4, so I'll grant you that one.

[Werbaer]

If 3=3, and 1=1, and 4=4, and 3+1=4, then 3=/=4 and 3 < 4.

Only if 1 > 0.

[GreatWyrmGold]

Also, that ends the speculation on O-Chul's mount.

I keep finding it harder and harder to believe the Giant doesn't read the forum posts to see what points he needs to cover, no matter what he says.
Maybe he's established a subconscious link to how the community thinks or something.

So O-Chul doesn't have a mount, then. Is that even possible for a paladin? Unless he's below level five or something, which I can't help but find a little unlikely.

Xykon doesn't have a familiar. Just having access to a class feature doesn't mean you need to use it.

Maybe it's a brown one with nice shoes, but I don't think the rider is a goblinoid at all.

Wouldn't those be the goblin equivalent of those weird shoes with individual toes?

This is why any 3e/Pathfinder elite military unit worth its dry rations issues longbows as secondary weapons, if not primary. Something flying is bound to come along, which will stick around harassing if there isn't retaliation from the ground. Any decent martial class is proficient in all martial weapons and bows don't require a Move action to load.

Also, longbows are devastating in large numbers, particularly with good terrain or tactics, and cost little more than a few hours of training every day of a man's life. A half-dozen knights would probably be able to defeat a half-dozen longbowmen, but they would lose to the number of longbowmen you could hire for the cost of the knights' destriers, armor, weapons, and so on.
Of course, this breaks down a little if longbows cost five times as many gold pieces as longswords and don't get strength bonuses...

Considering she already said it won't work, no.

That just makes it a bad plan.

Indeed, a good choice in most situations, which is why arcane talented elves study magic. Now, I know humans don't quite have the talent for arcane magic as elves but the Sapphire Guard is shockingly bad at team diversity, especially considering they're an elite division. As you say, Paladin spells aren't very useful for shooting flying creatures. Good at melee and healing but not scouting or searching either. So their commander sends two with these same weaknesses. Into a wilderness. You can see a better team build, I can see a better team build. Why the Sapphire Guard doesn't have Rangers or Scouts is a mystery to us both.

They're paladins, not tacticians.

-snip-

You see it as super-duper-obvious. That makes one of us.

I would just like to point out the vague resemblance between the yrthak rider and the Princess Mononoke in the Studio Ghibli film.

It's stronger evidence than that for being Redcloak's niece.

I can't think of one fandom that positively contributed to the object of its adoration.

You need to find some smaller fandoms.

We also know what gloves look like in the new art, because Belkar was wearing a pair. The gloves' cuffs flare out to fit over the ends of his sleeves, which we know from earlier strips are baggy like the rider's rather than form-fitting like, say, Roy's or Lien's.

Because all gloves are shaped exactly the same.
(I'm doubtful that they're bare skin because it seems to be really freakin' cold out.)

Only if 1 > 0.

I'm pretty sure that 1*x=x, x+0=x, and 1>0 are three equations that are absolutely vital to making math work.

[Hamste]

We need the proof that 1+1=2.

[Darth Paul]

We need the proof that 1+1=2.

Sorry, I don't have that proof. That's generally called a statement or a fact.

X+1=(X+1).

[8BitNinja]

Sorry, I don't have that proof. That's generally called a statement or a fact.

X+1=(X+1).

You don't need to cite evidence for things you can plainly see

The sky is blue. How do I know? I looked up

[JessmanCA]

Sorry, I don't have that proof. That's generally called a statement or a fact.

X+1=(X+1).

Depends on which set of numbers you're in. Not in some sets in modular arithmetic. Also not in binary.

Ex:

In integers modulo 2, 1+1=0

In binary, 1+1=10

[8BitNinja]

Depends on which set of numbers you're in. Not in some sets in modular arithmetic. Also not in binary.

Ex:

In integers modulo 2, 1+1=0

In binary, 1+1=10

1+1=11
2+2=fish
3+3=8
7+7=triangle

[jere7my]

Sorry, I don't have that proof. That's generally called a statement or a fact.

X+1=(X+1).

It took Russell and Whitehead over 360 pages to prove 1+1=2 without loops or contradictions. In a system in which paradoxes are possible, that is no small feat.

http://www.storyofmathematics.com/20th_russell.html

[Quibblicious]

I was a math minor and I can verify this with the following proof:

3 < 4 < 5

Actual math!!

Technically, that's an axiom.

But who am I to nitpick...

Q

[Quibblicious]

True. In the space of this comic, though, that would be highly confusing. (Unless that's what Varsuuvius is. Than it'd make sense.)

Roy's been there and done that...

Q

[Quibblicious]

But the original quantity was not 3. Nor was it 4. It was "at least 3 or 4".

A quantity that is at least 3 or 4 is not necessarily less than 5.

Proof by example. 6 is at least 3 or 4. 6 is not less than 5.

D&D3.5 showed us that we are not limited to whole numbers.

Arise, ye of several classes, and claim your half levels!

Q, N.76 level Bard.

[Darth Paul]

It took Russell and Whitehead over 360 pages to prove 1+1=2 without loops or contradictions. In a system in which paradoxes are possible, that is no small feat.

http://www.storyofmathematics.com/20th_russell.html

And since Russell & Whitehead proved it, I consider it's sufficiently proven. Thanks, guys!

@8BitNinja- Where I am right now, the sky is very very dark grey, tending towards purplish-black in some areas, with tiny points of light in it, some of them moving, some white, others multicolored. There are lighter grey areas which may be clouds. Also, there is a large, glowing object visible, which might be the Earth's Moon, but might be an artificial object placed there to deceive me. I have no way to positively prove either contention.

"Sky is blue, grass is green" is more subjective than 1+1=2.