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2016-06-17, 02:55 PM (ISO 8601)
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2016-06-17, 03:18 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Class and Level Geekery XIV - We are the Geek Pantheon
Plenty long enough for Redcloak to do something or get away.
It is possible that Redcloak is saving this for an emergency situation, since overt hostility doesn't help him manipulate Xykon.
It is likewise possible that Xykon is aware of this and has taken countermeasures (indeed, SOD hints at that).
Remember, per the SRD, if you're more than 4 HD (or levels) higher than the cleric, then you cannot be turned or rebukedLast edited by Quartz; 2016-06-17 at 03:18 PM.
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2016-06-17, 03:21 PM (ISO 8601)
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2016-06-17, 03:58 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Class and Level Geekery XIV - We are the Geek Pantheon
Because of Xykon's Turn Resistance, Redcloak would have to actually equal his level in order to have any chance of rebuking him. To rebuke (not control) a level 21 Xykon, Redcloak would himself have to be level 21 and get the maximum "4 levels higher" roll.
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2016-06-18, 01:32 PM (ISO 8601)
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2016-06-20, 07:21 PM (ISO 8601)
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It's a good thing that there is an internet between us, because otherwise someone might try to kill me for this. Anyway
I know that Tarquin snatch arrows issue is an old argument. I have seen much pain and suffering over it. There is one thing, however, which I don't know to have been pointed out. Here it is.
Tarquin uses snatch arrows at least 3 times in the day when Girand's Gate gets destroyed. The first time is in the Pyramid trap. (858, too new to post links). The third time was when he fell off of Julio's ship (936). What I haven't seen discussed was when he caught them while riding the Triceratops (925).
So, three times in one day, and twice he caught two arrows.
Now, I don't know that this changes the mechanics, or anything, but I thought that it could only hurt for a couple of pages to post it.
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2016-06-21, 02:24 PM (ISO 8601)
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So (re: 1041) if Xykon gained experience...
Let X = Xykon's experience level. That means that the dungeon contains at least some monsters of - if my memory of 3rd ed serves - CR = (X-5)?
With more information this may help us estimate Xykon's level better.
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2016-06-21, 03:50 PM (ISO 8601)
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I'm hoping that within the story arc we see something that confirms Xykon is actually 27+.
The ridiculous rod metamagic theory being dead would be the best thing to happen to these threads in about four years.
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2016-06-21, 03:57 PM (ISO 8601)
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2016-06-21, 04:01 PM (ISO 8601)
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Of course it wouldn't.
But somehow this forum decided years ago that "Level 21+ with invisible metamagic rod" was simpler than "Level 27+" and until we get contradictory evidence that silly decision will stand.
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2016-06-21, 04:24 PM (ISO 8601)
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Don't forget that when creating a CR you can add multiple creatures/traps/challenges together to increase the difficulty. So say a frost ogre is a cr 5, adding a multiple more frost ogres can bump your CR, but putting them in the middle of a frozen lake/ that they take no penalty to movement/sight and wont hurt them if they fall in can also bump the CR. And on some level Xykon should be gaining exp for completing quests/goals no matter how challenging they might not be, so he should have gotten EXP for taking azure city even if he did not get full exp for "defeating" Soon. But I can not think of anything else Xycon should get exp for since Dorkodon's fight except maybe the ancient silver dragon.
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2016-06-21, 04:49 PM (ISO 8601)
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2016-06-21, 05:08 PM (ISO 8601)
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2016-06-21, 08:10 PM (ISO 8601)
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Which is a bad rule to go by.
The level 21 decision requires an insane level of self-delusion to entertain.
He's 27 or higher.
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2016-06-21, 09:03 PM (ISO 8601)
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2016-06-21, 09:55 PM (ISO 8601)
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Personally, I like the one where Xykon is Sorcerer 23/Archmage 2, with the ability to use energy drain as a spell-like ability 4/day from his archmage abilities and taking the Maximize Spell-Like ability feat to be able to maximize it three out of those four times. No proof for that either, of course....
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2016-06-22, 03:56 AM (ISO 8601)
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Well I might be the only person that read it this way but when I read panel 5 I saw it as Xykon saying that both Xykon and Fyron were Archmages.
Last time it was discussed I think the counterargument was that he was saying that Fyron was a librarian and an archmage.
But if you want to point at the text and say that the statement allows for Xykon's archmage status (which I think is an easier sell than sudden still and invisible rods to keep him at 21 both of which seem to draw from outside the text).
An arguement could also be made for immunity to fire indicating that he has an epic craft feat as I understand that 'Energy Immunity' is at the epic level of the scale of crafting (at least for rings).
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2016-06-22, 05:11 AM (ISO 8601)
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From the FAQ,
Q: How does Xykon cast Maximized Energy Drain in comic 652?
We don't know for sure. The most popular theories involve the feat Improved Spell Capacity, the feat Sudden Maximize, or a Rod of Metamagic. Each theory has its pros and cons.
Q: What magic item makes Xykon immune to fire damage in comic 653?
We don't know for sure; there are multiple items within RAW that make their user immune to fire, available from level 14. Note that Xykon doesn't specify whether it's an amulet, ring, belt, or other kind of item.Guide to the Magus, the Pathfinder Gish class.
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2016-06-22, 06:05 AM (ISO 8601)
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2016-06-22, 06:26 AM (ISO 8601)
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2016-06-22, 06:53 AM (ISO 8601)
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2016-06-22, 09:22 AM (ISO 8601)
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I suspect this may get a flat 'no' but should Belkar have the Ranged Sunder feat used here (and its prequisites).
My thinking is that using his voice as an improvised weapon he may have destroyed the rapier.
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2016-06-22, 01:57 PM (ISO 8601)
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2016-06-22, 07:47 PM (ISO 8601)
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2016-06-23, 12:19 AM (ISO 8601)
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We should now probably add the Boots of Free Movement to Xykon's list of items.
http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots1041.html
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2016-06-23, 07:30 PM (ISO 8601)
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Belkar's STR has to be at least 22.
Evidence: In comic 435, last panel, Belkar kills a hobgoblin (6 hp) with an off-hand, small-sized dagger. Assuming he rolled a 3, he gets half of his STR bonus to the offhand attack. He needs +3 damage, so his STR has to be 22 or higher to get the +6 modifier and kill the hobgoblin.
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2016-06-23, 07:41 PM (ISO 8601)
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2016-06-23, 07:43 PM (ISO 8601)
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2016-06-23, 07:48 PM (ISO 8601)
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Lack of a weapon upgrade doesn't really matter if you assume he started the comic at level with a magic weapon (which seems likely given the expected level he had).
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2016-06-23, 08:09 PM (ISO 8601)
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