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    Quote Originally Posted by napoleon_in_rag View Post
    Perhaps Greyview is pessimistic because the Dire Wolves keep getting killed in Game of Thrones.
    That's because they don't nod.
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    I'm guessing that they might have changed the spelling of warg/worg out of an abundance of caution. They had to change a bunch of other names anyway, so why not sprinkle a few extra spelling changes in there, just in case? Apparently they changed enough that they got away with it, even though they pulled stuff like having a light-but-strong, silvery metal "mithral" not to be confused with the light-but-strong, silvery metal "mithril" from LotR.

    I wonder what would happen if Greyview were transformed into humanoid form, granting him the ability to obtain treats without assistance...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Roland Itiative View Post
    That's because they don't nod.
    Perhaps they should have been pessimistic from the start and realize that running with the Starks is not a way to live a long life.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nerdnumber1 View Post
    I wonder what would happen if Greyview were transformed into humanoid form, granting him the ability to obtain treats without assistance...
    I think he's assume that something bad would happen because "Nothing is easy. Life is hard, dying is worse."

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    Quote Originally Posted by napoleon_in_rag View Post
    I think he's assume that something bad would happen because "Nothing is easy. Life is hard, dying is worse."
    I'm glad Oona finally replied to him. I was seriously starting to wonder how many people actually 'heard' what he was saying.
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    Quote Originally Posted by napoleon_in_rag View Post
    I think he's assume that something bad would happen because "Nothing is easy. Life is hard, dying is worse."
    You'd feel the same if the grim specter of noogies hung over you like a shroud, too.
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    Greyview (descriptive name anyone?) is now my favorite character, or perhaps second to Malack.

    I would love to see some subtle reference to Nihilist Arby's thrown in :D

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    So Greyview's food choices are:

    A) Treats

    B) "Bitter fruit of eternal despair"



    That's why he nods!

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    Quote Originally Posted by napoleon_in_rag View Post
    B) "Bitter fruit of eternal despair"
    Most people just say, "sour grapes," but most people aren't old talking wolves stuck in the arctic circle.

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    Gestures at signature. Gets treat.
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    Awww, shucks. Until I re-read the introduction of Greyview I thought for sure she was a quirky pun on the Dire Wolf... a "fearsome dog" (Canis dirus) for sure, but also a wolf with a very dire outlook on life.

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    Reading through his quotes he may be an example of a Neutral Evil character pushing the Nihilistic attitude that is sometimes associated with that alignment for comedic affect.

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    Quote Originally Posted by martianmister View Post
    Depends on the warg you're talking about. Only human wargs can warg into other wargs. But it's frowned upon to warg into humans, so they can only warg into non-human wargs.
    There is an excessive abundance of the word "warg" in this post.

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    I loved the first 2 appearances of greyveiw, but after that he started to get a little too nihilist for me. He seems to take any opportunity to spread miserable feelings

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ruslan View Post
    I believe "warg" with an 'a' is a Game of Thrones thing. D&D, Tolkien and Rich all use worg with an 'o'.
    Unless I'm mistaken, Tolkien used wArg, d&d used wOrg to avoid authorial hell

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    Quote Originally Posted by kiros View Post
    Unless I'm mistaken, Tolkien used wArg, d&d used wOrg to avoid authorial hell

    right? get treat
    almost right. gives lesser-quality treat


    "Worg" was not something that got changed at the same time as things like "hobbit" and "balrog." Its also very clearly not Tolkien's intellectual property.

    Whether the spelling choice was chosen out of fear of litigation or out of some other desire is unclear: it could be branding, it could be an error in editing, it could be trying to call back to the fact that the original Norse word they are based on meant both "wolf" and "criminal." It could even be a lawyer or editor running scared from the Tolken lawsuit, but it could not be a situation where that lawyer or editor's concerns were actually merited.

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    Greyview’s philosophy is morally justified.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Harrymcb View Post
    I loved the first 2 appearances of greyveiw, but after that he started to get a little too nihilist for me. He seems to take any opportunity to spread miserable feelings
    Gosh, it's almost like he's a consistent character, instead of a punchline generator.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hecuba View Post
    [The spelling "worg"] could be trying to call back to the fact that the original Norse word they are based on meant both "wolf" and "criminal."
    I'm unsure how that'd work. The word was Old Norse vargr, West Saxon Old English wearg, Anglian Old English warg. No need for worg on these grounds.
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    It could even be a lawyer or editor running scared from the Tolken lawsuit, but it could not be a situation where that lawyer or editor's concerns were actually merited.
    Running scared from lawsuit is always merited.

    Run; get away. Not run; risk being tangled in tanglefoot bag of law.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hrožila View Post
    I'm unsure how that'd work. The word was Old Norse vargr, West Saxon Old English wearg, Anglian Old English warg. No need for worg on these grounds.
    If you go back to the proto-germanic *wargaz and examine where the wolf/criminal meanings split off reliably, a substantial number of the terms still in use that mean criminal end up deriving through *wurgijaną. Those terms often end up with into "u" and "o" spellings in German, Low German, Dutch, and English (with German tending to "U" and English tending to "O" and the others being a mix, but all of them moving back and forth liberally until spelling standardization). Examples include "worgen", "wurgen", "worry."

    In contrast, where the "wolf" meaning persists in modern usage "a" is more common ("Varg" - Swedish, "Vargur" - icelandic, "warg" - Tokien-ish).

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    All things considered I think it more likely they were running scared from a lawsuit, but it wasn't a change made at the same time as the infamous "hobbit" change and (considering "warg" is how a significant number of people would transliterate the Swedish word that literally means "wolf") that lawsuit would have been utterly without merit: it certainly wasn't a reasoned and precise legal decision on how close they could get without infringing, since the answer to such a question would have been that they could use the exact same spelling.

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