Preacher

[Kislath]

I didn't see a thread about this new show, Preacher, so I made one.

Did any of you watch it last night? ( Sunday ) If you missed it, they're going to re-run it next Sunday night, and then run the next episodes each Sunday.

Ok, so I never read the Preacher Comic. I would have if I had known it was a Garth Ennis title. I love his stuff. Hitman is my all-time favorite comic.

Not being familiar with the comic, I had to do some research to figure out what is what. So far it looks like the TV show is staying fairly true to the comic's feel, as far as I can tell.

The visual effects are fantastic, and it's pretty funny! Hard and visceral and gritty and very very disturbing, but also funny. Just like Hitman.

I think I'm gonna like this show.

[HardcoreD&Dgirl]

I never read the comic... but I just watched the first ep. I caught it indemand.

I didn't get it for like half the show. I think I'm pretty smart and I've been reading comic since I learned how to read (first my older brother's then my own). So I think I am pretty much the best target for the audience.

However by the end of it I was pretty happy and will atleast give it a few more shots.

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so was he some sort of vampire/demon hunter before?
was his father killed because he was a priest?
is that new friend a demon?
is the ex girl friend just a cool hunter, or is she supernatural?
Did god choose him at the end? Did he just use a new god given ability but didn't be careful enough? Was it instead something demonic pulling at him because he had lost faith?

I'm sure that those questions will be answerd, and I resisted the urge to go to Wikipedia to check out the comic story...

less spoilery: is this true to the comics?

[BWR]

I never read the comic apart from a few issues, mostly because I can't really stand Dillon's art (guess which Hellblazer comics usually get skipped over when I reread the series). Which is a shame, really, because Ennis does some good stuff when he puts his mind to it and I'm generally pretty fond of Vertigo stuff. Anyway, the first episode was a bit slow in the build-up but promising. I'll definitely be watching a few more episodes.

[Bhu]

I never read the comic... but I just watched the first ep. I caught it indemand.

I didn't get it for like half the show. I think I'm pretty smart and I've been reading comic since I learned how to read (first my older brother's then my own). So I think I am pretty much the best target for the audience.

However by the end of it I was pretty happy and will atleast give it a few more shots.

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so was he some sort of vampire/demon hunter before?
was his father killed because he was a priest?
is that new friend a demon?
is the ex girl friend just a cool hunter, or is she supernatural?
Did god choose him at the end? Did he just use a new god given ability but didn't be careful enough? Was it instead something demonic pulling at him because he had lost faith?

I'm sure that those questions will be answerd, and I resisted the urge to go to Wikipedia to check out the comic story...

less spoilery: is this true to the comics?

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No.
No.
No.
The gf is not supernatural, just tuff
Custer is not chosen by god. I'd say more but it would give away the series entire plot.

[Kid Jake]

I'd almost forgotten that this was going to be a thing, if it's anything like the comic I've gotta say that I'm pretty damned stoked. I missed it when it aired, but I'll definitely remedy that first chance I get. Some of my all time favorite comic moments come from Preacher.

For now though, can anyone answer whether or not a John Wayne impersonator makes an appearance at any point in the pilot?

[Kislath]

I didn't notice any John Wayne impersonators, but

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Tom Cruise exploded! ( No, we didn't get to see that, but we did watch another guy blow up REAL good. )

so that was fun. Maybe JW shows up next time.

So far the super-team hasn't yet been assembled, but we've met many of them.

The 1st episode will be re-shown next Sunday, followed by a "Talking Preacher" show like the "Talking Dead" show, and the week after that the new episodes start airing.

[Lurkmoar]

They really toned down Eugene from the comics. And didn't give him his nickname(probably for Standards & Practices).

And I really, really hope they change the confrontation between Cassidy and the Saint(if he shows up... ooo, just checked, he will and will supposedly be played by Graham McTavish). There was a bit of a cop out in the writing there, but that was before the Saint was fully envisioned.

[themaque]

I'm not always Ennis's biggest fan but I'm a big fan of Preacher. It's... Texas through English eyes I suppose.

So far there have been some decently large deviations from the comic, but it keeps the overall tone thus far. I like some of their changes thus far and those I'm on the fence on I'm willing to give them time to see how well it plays out.

I really want to see more next week. After the pilot my wife looked at me and said

"Do we have more on DVR?"

"No"

"S#$%, do we have any issues of the comic?"

So I would say it's doing a good job.

I am really really looking forward to The Saint. He's my favorite character and I am anxious to see how he is portrayed. That same sense of... dread & awe. An unstoppable force of nature.

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I'm not surprised they dropped the John Wayne stuff. While I love it, it's weird, is never explained, and doesn't really make any sense in the comic at all. If it was in the show their would be pressure to explain it and that would... rob it of something I think.

EDIT: I sure like putting in "Thus Far" don't I?

[BWR]

I. It's... Texas through English eyes I suppose.

Irish.

On the subject of Irish, Cassidy sounded pretty Irish to my inexpert ears. Northern, of some persuasion. I may be wrong.

[GloatingSwine]

Irish.

On the subject of Irish, Cassidy sounded pretty Irish to my inexpert ears. Northern, of some persuasion. I may be wrong.

The actor is English.

Cassidy is Northern Irish. (So is Garth Ennis)

[themaque]

Irish.

On the subject of Irish, Cassidy sounded pretty Irish to my inexpert ears. Northern, of some persuasion. I may be wrong.

The actor is English.

Cassidy is Northern Irish. (So is Garth Ennis)

Right, I was referencing Ennis. He is Irish not English. I was wrong there.

However, I have sad news for most anyone in the United Kingdoms... We refer to the entire UK as Englis outside Sean Connery and Shreck. ;-) Wrong? Yes. Going to change? Not Likely.

[GloatingSwine]

Right, I was referencing Ennis. He is Irish not English. I was wrong there.

However, I have sad news for most anyone in the United Kingdoms... We refer to the entire UK as Englis outside Sean Connery and Shreck. ;-) Wrong? Yes. Going to change? Not Likely.

Northern Ireland has a bit of a history of being touchy about that.

And for "touchy" read "carbombs".

[Leewei]

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so was he some sort of vampire/demon hunter before?
was his father killed because he was a priest?
is that new friend a demon?
is the ex girl friend just a cool hunter, or is she supernatural?
Did god choose him at the end? Did he just use a new god given ability but didn't be careful enough? Was it instead something demonic pulling at him because he had lost faith?

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Are you really sure?

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Jessie comes from a very messed-up family in the back country of Louisiana. He was raised and taught to fight by some of the meanest, least sympathetic psychotics on the planet. You'll likely meet them later in the series.

Cassidy is a vampire. His origin story in the comic was titled "Interview with a Bastard." Heh.

Tulip was raised by her gun-loving daddy to take s*** from nobody.

Jessie wasn't exactly chosen by God, but a lot of His agents see the preacher as someone with a great deal of potential - or as a threat. The force that possesses Jessie is called Genesis. It's a contradiction, both angelic and demonic in nature. Jessie's own conflicting natures called to it and make him a very suitable host.

[themaque]

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Are you really sure?

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Jessie comes from a very messed-up family in the back country of Louisiana. He was raised and taught to fight by some of the meanest, least sympathetic psychotics on the planet. You'll likely meet them later in the series.

Cassidy is a vampire. His origin story in the comic was titled "Interview with a Bastard." Heh.

Tulip was raised by her gun-loving daddy to take s*** from nobody.

Jessie wasn't exactly chosen by God, but a lot of His agents see the preacher as someone with a great deal of potential - or as a threat. The force that possesses Jessie is called Genesis. It's a contradiction, both angelic and demonic in nature. Jessie's own conflicting natures called to it and make him a very suitable host.

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In the comic, I believe Fiore mentioned that Genises had no morality. that it was power without purpose and needed a human soul to guide it. in that context it just happened to hi Jesse first.

The fact that it was trying to find someone more fitting is a change that I don't think is a bad one. Heaven, Hell, and Crazy all have a part but only one doesn't encapsulate all of what it is

Somewhat surprised there isn't more going on here. I would have thought more fans would either defend or decry the changes.

[BWR]

The actor is English.

Cassidy is Northern Irish.

But is Cassidy's-in-the-TV-series accent Northern Irish (geopolitical entity, not language) or is it some variant of English (geopolitical entity, not language) I am mistaking for an Irish (geopolitical entity, not language)?

[Lurkmoar]

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In the comic, I believe Fiore mentioned that Genises had no morality. that it was power without purpose and needed a human soul to guide it. in that context it just happened to hi Jesse first.

The fact that it was trying to find someone more fitting is a change that I don't think is a bad one. Heaven, Hell, and Crazy all have a part but only one doesn't encapsulate all of what it is

Somewhat surprised there isn't more going on here. I would have thought more fans would either defend or decry the changes.

It's only the first episode. And it has been a couple of years since Preacher finished its comic run...

[Leewei]

Until Herr Starr or Jodie show up, it's just getting warmed up.

[Gnome Alone]

It's been like 16 years since the comic finished.

Re: John Wayne, can't a guy have psychotic hallucinations independently of being possessed by an angel-demon hybrid?

[Brother Oni]

Somewhat surprised there isn't more going on here. I would have thought more fans would either defend or decry the changes.

It's the first episode and given the fairly entertaining interpretation of Lucifer, I think most fans are willing to give it the benefit of a few more episodes to develop.

Northern Ireland has a bit of a history of being touchy about that.

And for "touchy" read "carbombs".

Similarly, the Scottish don't like being lumped in with the English. Making that mistake in a Scottish pub would likely get you introduced to a local custom called the Glaswegian Kiss.

But is Cassidy's-in-the-TV-series accent Northern Irish (geopolitical entity, not language) or is it some variant of English (geopolitical entity, not language) I am mistaking for an Irish (geopolitical entity, not language)?

I'm not an expert on Irish accents, but it's quite close: link.

That said, there's more than one Irish accent.

[Jeivar]

I haven't checked the TV show, but out of curiosity: Is Jesse as much of an arrogant, self-righteous, super-violent scumbag as he is in the comics?

He's just one of those characters I have come to genuinely despise as I've grown older.

[Lurkmoar]

I haven't checked the TV show, but out of curiosity: Is Jesse as much of an arrogant, self-righteous, super-violent scumbag as he is in the comics?

He's just one of those characters I have come to genuinely despise as I've grown older.

First episode he doesn't seem too arrogant. Self-righteous? Not especially. Super violent? Well, he did beat the crap out of a couple of guys at a bar, but they started swinging first. And he did break a guy's arm in a very unpleasant way. With a smile.

[gomipile]

They really toned down Eugene from the comics. And didn't give him his nickname(probably for Standards & Practices).

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Eugene got his nickname from Cassidy, iirc. They're in the same room at the end of the pilot, but they haven't interacted yet.

[Lurkmoar]

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Eugene got his nickname from Cassidy, iirc. They're in the same room at the end of the pilot, but they haven't interacted yet.

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As of the last episode, they met, but Cassidy hasn't given him his moniker yet. But he did allude to it.

Cassidy goes crazy with a chainsaw! Tulip has the worst sense of humor ever! The Preacher speaks the word! Also, that ending, and bonus, the Saint of Killers makes an intro cameo.

[Kislath]

Ah, our hero finally figured out that his voice packs a certain punch it previously lacked.
This'll be fun.

[BWR]

While I'm enjoying Cassidy and Tulip, the rest of the episode was rather dull. We'll see what the next one is like.

[random11]

I enjoyed the comic, so I was surprised they made a TV adaptation for this.

From the first episode, it seems like they are going for a different direction from the comic, but unlike what they did to "Lucifer", at least they remain loyal to the core idea, humour and violence of the source material.

It's not an easy comic to adapt to a TV series, so I can't expect it to remain the same; But as long as it keeps the tone of the comic and not fall to a path of many other adaptations that forced comics into standard variations of TV shows, I'll be happy.

One thing for sure, I don't expect the TV series to end like the comic

[Eldan]

Next episode: the Preacher goes tto New York to open a detective agency and uses his powers to get criminals to confess, together witith a snarky female detective. All the other characters are never mentioned again.

((Why yes, I'm still a bit bitter about Lucifer.))

[Brother Oni]

Ah, our hero finally figured out that his voice packs a certain punch it previously lacked.
This'll be fun.

'Finally'? It's been two episodes and he's used it three times - finally is a bit much.

That said, the second usage raises some interesting questions:

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Given that the insects stopped being noisy as well, it would imply that the Voice has power over them despite not having an understanding of human language. This would suggest that the trick Herr Stark used in the comics (mercenaries/soldiers that didn't speak English) wouldn't work.

[Lurkmoar]

'Finally'? It's been two episodes and he's used it three times - finally is a bit much.

That said, the second usage raises some interesting questions:

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Given that the insects stopped being noisy as well, it would imply that the Voice has power over them despite not having an understanding of human language. This would suggest that the trick Herr Stark used in the comics (mercenaries/soldiers that didn't speak English) wouldn't work.

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I felt the insects were just responding to the sound of his voice, not the command of the Voice.

[Dragonus45]

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Hmm, the fact that an unresponsive comma victim seems to be responding also puts the mechanics into question. Although I suppose she could have been able to hear, as awful as the implications of that are.