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    Quote Originally Posted by Max_Killjoy View Post
    No one said you were.
    No one here did. Which is good.

    The guy in the link wrote something like "As Marxists, we ..." it's quite a way into the screed, but it threw me right out.
    The end of what Son? The story? There is no end. There's just the point where the storytellers stop talking.

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    ...That's not really a sound logical basis for dismissing any and all arguments coming from said person, though. They're either independently valid or they're not.

    I'm sure that additional drama could be wrung from whatsisface, but I'm quite happy when the strip is puttering along with regular slice-of-life dorm-comedy, so I'm not particularly pushed in that regard.
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    ...That's not really a sound logical basis for dismissing any and all arguments coming from said person, though. They're either independently valid or they're not.
    That depends on what you think of Marx's logic, I think it's weak.
    The end of what Son? The story? There is no end. There's just the point where the storytellers stop talking.

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    ...That's not really a sound logical basis for dismissing any and all arguments coming from said person, though. They're either independently valid or they're not.
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    That depends on what you think of Marx's logic, I think it's weak.
    No, it shouldn't depend on what you think of Marx's logic if it's independently valid.

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    No, it shouldn't depend on what you think of Marx's logic if it's independently valid.
    However, the probability of it being independently valid is dependant on the writer's ability with logic, and if they accept weak logic, their own logic is probably weak.
    The end of what Son? The story? There is no end. There's just the point where the storytellers stop talking.

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    No, that's still not right. Accusations of weak reasoning should be supportable by inspecting the argument, not the arguer.
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    No, that's still not right. Accusations of weak reasoning should be supportable by inspecting the argument, not the arguer.
    In general that seems like a good idea, however:

    In theory there is no difference between theory and practice, in practice there is.
    There are a lot of ideas in the world, most of them are wrong, once I've identified that they are wrong, I don't care very much why or how they are wrong. I strongly suspect that if it had been Hitler whose logic I'd denied (as I certainly would), we wouldn't be having this discussion.

    The thing about Marxists so far as I am concerned isn't that they believe one arbitrary wrong thing, it's that they believe a whole conjoined mess of wrong things, as do fascists, and a bunch of other groups, the particulars of which cannot be discussed here.

    So, Amber's grabbed and disarmed him, apparently. I wonder what's next.
    The end of what Son? The story? There is no end. There's just the point where the storytellers stop talking.

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    So, Amber's grabbed and disarmed him, apparently. I wonder what's next.
    She and Willis both go too far.

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    Quote Originally Posted by halfeye View Post
    ...it's that they believe a whole conjoined mess of wrong things, as do fascists, and a bunch of other groups, the particulars of which cannot be discussed here.
    Actually, there were some ideas expounded by Hitler that I feel no particular shame about advocating.

    The problem here is that you're not denying the author's logic at all. You are rejecting any perspective that don't come from a pre-approved quarter of the political spectrum. Which is exactly the problem.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lacuna Caster View Post
    The problem here is that you're not denying the author's logic at all. You are rejecting any perspective that don't come from a pre-approved quarter of the political spectrum. Which is exactly the problem.
    What I have is not a whitelist, it's a blacklist, and it's quite short. The way I see things is that some ideologies overpower other ideas, such that believing in them is incompatible with sensible thought. Most of the things we do in life don't require thorough going logic, but in the instances where we need it, it needs to be applied free from constraints.

    What is Amber doing? I do hope it's not some self sacrifice ploy.
    The end of what Son? The story? There is no end. There's just the point where the storytellers stop talking.

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    "We're a festive people." That cracks me up for some reason.

    I am a little curious as to exactly where Joe was keeping his hawtness-list that it would be hacked. Was it not just a file on his hard-drive, or did he keep a backup on dropbox or something?
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    "We're a festive people." That cracks me up for some reason.

    I am a little curious as to exactly where Joe was keeping his hawtness-list that it would be hacked. Was it not just a file on his hard-drive, or did he keep a backup on dropbox or something?
    Based on previous comic references, it was an RSS feed. And he regularly offered random people access to it. So unless those were just one-off jokes, and he actually did keep the real thing private, the whole school getting it is not surprising.
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    I am a little curious as to exactly where Joe was keeping his hawtness-list that it would be hacked. Was it not just a file on his hard-drive, or did he keep a backup on dropbox or something?
    It's not clear exactly where he keeps it, but, yes, it's online, and has an RSS feed.
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    Fair enough.

    I think "What was I, Joe, before I hurt you?" might be my favourite Joyce line yet.
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    Hey guys, thanks for showing me this comic. So far, i find all characters interesting, engaging and frustrating. They all have their foibles, nobody is a total jerk or a total saint. The depth of characterisation implemented for such a large cast is actually impressive.

    However.. i feel the website is horrendously optimized. I feel my (relatively new and powerful) phone struggles to open every page, and it heats up so much when i browse the comic. Is that normal?!?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cikomyr View Post
    Hey guys, thanks for showing me this comic. So far, i find all characters interesting, engaging and frustrating. They all have their foibles, nobody is a total jerk or a total saint. The depth of characterisation implemented for such a large cast is actually impressive.

    However.. i feel the website is horrendously optimized. I feel my (relatively new and powerful) phone struggles to open every page, and it heats up so much when i browse the comic. Is that normal?!?
    That's all the ads for Willis's side gig as a pron-lord loading, plus the heat exchange from the echo chamber in the comment's section.
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    Pron-lord..?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lacuna Caster View Post
    Fair enough.

    I think "What was I, Joe, before I hurt you?" might be my favourite Joyce line yet.
    A crazy hypocrite who brought a OPENLY violent jerk to chaperone your date, who you also encouraged to beat the ever loving crap out of said date because he looked at a pair of breasts?

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    Pron-lord..?
    Presumably, they were either going for pr0n lord or the more straightforward porn lord. The author makes money by selling side stories of the sexual hookups of various pairs of characters. I'd say calling him a lord for that is a bit overmuch, mind you.

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    A crazy hypocrite who brought a OPENLY violent jerk to chaperone your date, who you also encouraged to beat the ever loving crap out of said date because he looked at a pair of breasts?
    No, that would still be part of the "0-" grade, I'd imagine. If he knew about all that before going on a date, he would've skipepd it, I'm sure.

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    Presumably, they were either going for pr0n lord or the more straightforward porn lord. The author makes money by selling side stories of the sexual hookups of various pairs of characters. I'd say calling him a lord for that is a bit overmuch, mind you.
    Willis has called himself that multiple times.

    It's part of his Crowley-esque rebellion against the over-strict standards he was evidently raised under.
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    Willis has called himself that multiple times.
    Fair enough, then.

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    It's part of his Crowley-esque rebellion
    I don't recognize the reference. I can only think of two Crowleys (The one from Good Omens, and the one from Supernatural, who is likely a reference to the first), and while the first did sort of rebel, as a comparison it doesn't quite work, so I'm guessing you mean a third Crowley?

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    Presumably, they were either going for pr0n lord or the more straightforward porn lord. The author makes money by selling side stories of the sexual hookups of various pairs of characters. I'd say calling him a lord for that is a bit overmuch, mind you.
    Oohhh.. really? Are those Explicit?!

    ...what?! I like the art style
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    Fair enough, then.


    I don't recognize the reference. I can only think of two Crowleys (The one from Good Omens, and the one from Supernatural, who is likely a reference to the first), and while the first did sort of rebel, as a comparison it doesn't quite work, so I'm guessing you mean a third Crowley?

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    The historical Aleister Crowley.
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    Oohhh.. really? Are those Explicit?!
    I'm guessing yes? I haven't purchased any of them, but given where they are published, I would expect them to be some manner of explicit. However, this whole line is way too close to breaking board rules as it is, so... maybe do your own research?

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    The historical Aleister Crowley.
    Thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grey_Wolf_c View Post
    I'm guessing yes? I haven't purchased any of them, but given where they are published, I would expect them to be some manner of explicit. However, this whole line is way too close to breaking board rules as it is, so... maybe do your own research?
    Sure, lets not push any further than she can handle it ;)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Otomodachi View Post
    A crazy hypocrite who brought a OPENLY violent jerk to chaperone your date, who you also encouraged to beat the ever loving crap out of said date because he looked at a pair of breasts?
    I've actually completely forgotten the scene with Joe & Joyce's date. Can someone link me?
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    I've actually completely forgotten the scene with Joe & Joyce's date. Can someone link me?
    Start from the start. He is the very, very, very first boy she has interaction with, the date happens quickly thereafter.

    Btw, i hate you all people and u blame you for me only managing to sleep at 3 in the morning. The stories are damn engaging.

    I just reached Becky's.. declaration.

    Btw, had we seen Becky's father before? Because people in the comments say "not him again"

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    Btw, had we seen Becky's father before? Because people in the comments say "not him again"
    Maybe, but not necessarily. Pretty much every character in Dumbing of Age is an expy of characters in Willis' first webcomic, Roomies/It's Walky! from way back.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grey_Wolf_c View Post
    Maybe, but not necessarily. Pretty much every character in Dumbing of Age is an expy of characters in Willis' first webcomic, Roomies/It's Walky! from way back.

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    I should check out those one of these days. It seems like there is a lot, lot, lot of subtext in the comic about this "first universe". Character relationships, for example.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cikomyr View Post
    I should check out those one of these days. It seems like there is a lot, lot, lot of subtext in the comic about this "first universe". Character relationships, for example.
    Sort of, but more like in-jokes. Couples of the original story are kinda hinted at, then smashed as being completely unsuited for each other - a jab of the author at himself.

    FWIW, I enjoyed It's Walky! back in the day, but its a bit of a mess. I'm not sure I could force myself to read it now - it has not aged well, I fear.

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